What Happened To Global Warming, it's NOT!!

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July 3, 2008, 9:11 am
Fire Under North Pole Ice – More Views

By ANDREW C. REVKIN
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Are eruptions contributing to Arctic ice retreats? Experts say no. This gap opened in the sea ice a few dozen miles from the North Pole in 2003. (Credit: Andrew C. Revkin/The New York Times)
It’s worth posting the voices of a few more scientists to address persistent questions here about a possible connection between retreating Arctic Ocean sea ice and seabed volcanic activity two miles below — including a Vesuvius-size eruption in 1999.
The bottom line? There is almost no chance of a significant influence, despite the huge outflow of heat and gases along the Gakkel Ridge, [more]
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/a-last-round-on-fire-under-north-pole-ice/
 
More! BOOM~~:notrust:
Global Warming – Or Simply Massive Under Sea Volcanoes? – Updated!

Published by AJStrata at 2:14 pm under All General Discussions, Global Warming

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One of the disconnects the Church of Al Gore/IPCC has yet to address regarding so-called Global Warming is why is it the Arctic ice extent is receding (thus all the chicken-little screams) while the Antarctic ice extent is growing at historic rates. Given the fact CO2 levels are ubiquitous across the Earth, if this was really a global climate driver we should see higher temperatures (and less ice) across the globe, adjusted for latitude and the amount of land vs sea surface area. Here is the Northern ice extent plots from NOAA
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2008/may/global.html#seaice
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And here is the southern ice extent plots:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2008/may/global.html#seaice
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Well it seems we may have an answer to why the Arctic water temperatures were rising and the ice was melting – massive undersea volcanoes:
Recent massive volcanoes have risen from the ocean floor deep under the Arctic ice cap, spewing plumes of fragmented magma into the sea, scientists who filmed the aftermath reported Wednesday.
The eruptions — as big as the one that buried Pompei — took place in 1999 along the Gakkel Ridge, an underwater mountain chain snaking 1,800 kilometres (1,100 miles) from the northern tip of Greenland to Siberia.
Scientists suspected even at the time that a simultaneous series of earthquakes were linked to these volcanic spasms.
But when a team led of scientists led by Robert Sohn of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts finally got a first-ever glimpse of the ocean floor 4,000 meters (13,000 feet) beneath the Arctic pack ice, they were astonished.
What they saw was unmistakable evidence of explosive eruptions rather than the gradual secretion of lava bubbling up from Earth’s mantle onto the ocean floor.
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Folks need to understand that the Arctic Ocean is a fairly closed system because it resides in a large bowl shaped depression with only limited outlets that rise to much shallower depths, as seen in the following picture:

http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/2843/2/
 
This might cool us off a bit?:worried:
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How volcanoes can change the world
By Rosanne D'Arrigo, Special to CNN
April 16, 2010 7:40 a.m. EDT

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STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  • Ash from Iceland volcano has grounded much of western Europe's air traffic
  • Rosanne D'Arrigo says Iceland volcano in 1783 had drastic effects
  • She says it killed many, stunted agriculture and led to starvation
  • A similar event today could prevent some air travel for five months, she says
Editor's note: Rosanne D'Arrigo is a senior research scientist at the Tree-Ring Laboratory of the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York. She is also the associate director of the Biology and Paleoenvironment Division at the observatory.
Palisades, New York (CNN) -- The recent volcanic eruption in Iceland is stranding hundreds of thousands of air travelers at Heathrow Airport in the UK and other airports across northern Europe, due to its voluminous clouds of volcanic ash that can clog airplane engines and limit visibility.
However, this is by no means the first such volcanic eruption in Iceland to affect human activities. Long before the advent of air travel, the eruption of Iceland's Laki volcano in 1783-84 had profound effects on climate, not just in Iceland but around the globe.
Volcanologists Thorvaldur Thordarson and Stephen Self estimated that a comparable event in the modern era would release enough ash and other eruptive materials into the atmosphere that the resulting ash cloud and sulfuric haze would probably disrupt air travel over much of the Northern Hemisphere for about five months. But there were impacts well afield of Iceland and Europe at the time of Laki.
Besides releasing clouds of ash into the atmosphere that can disrupt visibility and damage airplane engines, eruptions can cool the climate with the reflection of incoming solar radiation from the troposphere by volcanic sulfur-rich ash, which can decrease temperatures significantly for months or years in some cases.
Just such an aerosol effect is believed to have disrupted the Earth's thermal balance during the Laki event, cooling some Northern Hemisphere regions by as much as 1 or more degrees Celsius below the long-term average.
Highly unusual conditions were described in the summer of 1783 after Laki, including poisonous volcanic fumes that killed perhaps 25 percent of the population of Iceland, persistent haze and oppressive heat in Europe, and blood-red sunrises over North America, Europe and other locations. The Laki eruption was believed to have caused thousands of deaths because of unusual conditions in Europe that summer, along with the severe cold of the following winter.
Benjamin Franklin was one of the first to suggest that the extreme cold of 1783-84 over much of the Northern Hemisphere was connected to the Laki event. In North America, Laki has been blamed for the starvation of Inuit populations from severe cold in northwestern Alaska, based on Inuit oral history as well as tree-ring density data investigated by Gordon Jacoby and others, who estimated that conditions were about 4 degrees Celsius colder than the mean. [more] http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/04/16/darrigo.volcano.impact/index.html?hpt=C1
 
The Laki eruption was believed to have caused thousands of deaths because of unusual conditions in Europe that summer, along with the severe cold of the following winter.
Benjamin Franklin was one of the first to suggest that the extreme cold of 1783-84 over much of the Northern Hemisphere was connected to the Laki event. In North America, Laki has been blamed for the starvation of Inuit populations from severe cold in northwestern Alaska, based on Inuit oral history as well as tree-ring density data investigated by Gordon Jacoby and others, who estimated that conditions were about 4 degrees Celsius colder than the mean.
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Buster said:
Natural Process..We can't stop it, we didn't cause it..might as well make the best of it...Next year's winter is gonna make this past one seem like a mild cool snap..
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I should of conclued my earlier post with "MARK MY WORDS":worried:
 
nnuut said:
This might cool us off a bit?:worried:
BOOM!!! Highly unusual conditions were described in the summer of 1783 after Laki, including poisonous volcanic fumes that killed perhaps 25 percent of the population of Iceland, persistent haze and oppressive heat in Europe, and blood-red sunrises over North America, Europe and other locations. The Laki eruption was believed to have caused thousands of deaths because of unusual conditions in Europe that summer, along with the severe cold of the following winter.
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Hmm, I noticed the part about oppressive heat in Europe contributing to thousands of deaths that year, didn't get highlighted. Something to keep in mind. Article also mentioned impacted regions of Europe, not continental or global effects. The volcanic dust doesn't get distributed evenly around the globe-at least for a long while?

Global patterns of effects are an integration and net-net of regional effects over time, seems to me. Regional patterns averaged out. Weighted averages.

I read a magazine article awhile back about a mega volcano in the Pacific affecting New England crop productivity in the late 1700s. Maybe I'm mixed up and it was Laki that did it.
 
alevin said:
Maybe I'm mixed up.
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I'd say that's between a very slim chance and next to impossible.

Look at the over all FACTS:
Glaciers -- have been rapidly disappearing and the rate of 'renewal' is nothing compared to what's disappearing.

Weather patterns are totally connected to the changes.

Greenland ICE -- probably the most major source and right next to the OCEAN Conveyor Belt --- is disappearing fast. They have huge lakes disappear in just a few hours. It's kind of cool to see the details of recent research.

The RAIN all these places have been getting over the past year or so.

So -- no Alevie -- you're not mixed up......

just lookin' for someone to brag on ya :rolleyes:

 
alevin said:
Hmm, I noticed the part about oppressive heat in Europe contributing to thousands of deaths that year, didn't get highlighted. Something to keep in mind. Article also mentioned impacted regions of Europe, not continental or global effects. The volcanic dust doesn't get distributed evenly around the globe-at least for a long while?

Global patterns of effects are an integration and net-net of regional effects over time, seems to me. Regional patterns averaged out. Weighted averages.

I read a magazine article awhile back about a mega volcano in the Pacific affecting New England crop productivity in the late 1700s. Maybe I'm mixed up and it was Laki that did it.
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Should have read this part:
"In North America, Laki has been blamed for the starvation of Inuit populations from severe cold in northwestern Alaska, based on Inuit oral history as well as tree-ring density data investigated by Gordon Jacoby and others, who estimated that conditions were about 4 degrees Celsius colder than the mean.";)
That's in N America something like this effects the whole world eventually, look up Mt Pinatubo etc. Thebig ones leave enough particulates in the atmosphere to block the sun and lower temperatures. IMHO:cheesy:
 
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Volcano could mean cooling, acid rain

'Not like Pinatubo' so far, but potential is there

Brynjar Gauti / AP
Smoke and steam hang over the Eyjafjallajokull volcano in Iceland on Thursday.


msnbc.com staff and news service reports
updated 11:03 a.m. ET, Thurs., April 15, 2010

If Iceland's active volcano gets even more active, Icelanders and air travelers won't be the only ones impacted. Gases from past large volcanoes have actually lowered Earth's temperatures, triggered lung ailments, caused acid rain and thinned our protective ozone layer.
The Eyjafjallajokull volcano isn't there yet. "This is not like Pinatubo. So far the scale is not big enough to have a global effect," Hans Olav Hygen, a climate researcher at the Norwegian Meteorological Institute, said in reference to the 1991 eruption in the Philippines.
But the potential is there. The new eruption is 10 times more powerful than another nearby last month, threw up a cloud of ash nearly seven miles high and closed down air traffic across northern Europe.

The most dangerous gases released during an eruption are sulfur dioxide, carbon dioxide and hydrogen fluoride.
High levels of ash particles can cause increased coughing and irritate the eyes and skin and sometimes result in serious lung conditions.
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When the acid coating on ash is removed by rain, it can pollute local water supplies and damage vegetation. On the other hand, ash deposits can be beneficial by improving the fertility of soil.
Already in Iceland, residents and visitors are being urged to stay indoors due to the ash fall and to wear dust masks if they must venture outside. Moreover, farmers are worried that their livestock will eat and digest ash, causing a die-off like the one in 1918 when another Icelandic volcano erupted.
Three previous eruptions of Eyjafjallajokull are known in the 1,100 years of Iceland's recorded history. The most recent began in December 1821 and lasted for more than a year, then a neighboring volcano erupted in 1823. Other eruptions include one around 1612 and 920.
Longer term, sulfur from volcanoes has the potential to cool the Earth. Sulfur reacts with water in the air to form sulfuric acid droplets that reflect sunlight hitting Earth, thus blocking some rays. The reduction in sunlight can reduce temperatures for a year or so, until the droplets fall out of the atmosphere.
Indeed, Pinatubo is known to have cooled the planet by 0.9 degrees Fahrenheit.
Some experts advocate the deliberate injection of sulfur dioxide in the stratosphere in a "geoengineering" short cut to slow global warming.
That option has become attractive for some after a U.N. climate summit in Copenhagen in December failed to produce a binding global deal to cut emissions of greenhouse gases. Others say the risks are too big — ranging from disruptions of weather patterns to acid rain.

Other examples of how the environmental impacts of volcanoes can go far beyond their immediate area:
 
Thank you, nnuut, for that review!
One difference within these deadly volcanoes: St Helen's most likely should not have had any dead. That there were no more deaths than those can be attributed to the Volcanists (??) and believers in their scientific equipment.
-could we call them U.S. Government Employees??:)
Some folks apparently weren't aware of the evacuation orders, some just ignored them. Then rescuers get caught.

The 1980 Mount St. Helens volcano eruption in Washington state, in which 57 people died, created a cloud of ash 2,500 miles long and 1,000 miles wide. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36556083...s-environment/[/QUOTE
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Crotchety Harry Truman remains an icon of the eruption


Thursday, May 11, 2000
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]By MIKE BARBER
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER [/FONT]




All he did to become a legend was stay on Mount St. Helens and die.
But there was more to crotchety old Harry Truman than his last stand -- which he really did not want to make, according to family and friends of Truman, who refused to leave his home below the volcano.
Truman remains an icon of the eruption 20 years after he died at his Mount St. Helens Lodge on the shore of Spirit Lake.
Truman became the focus of the national media in the days before the eruption, a rugged individual who enjoyed the solitude of the raw frontier, true to himself as he ended 83 years of life with one last act of defiance.
To others, he was a rude old crank who would refuse to sell a candy bar to a kid.
In Castle Rock, townfolk even now debate whether they want to keep the memorial to Truman at the entrance to town.
A lot of folks feel Truman was simply a crotchety old man who refused to listen to reason, says Barry Murray, who's helping create the Tyee Trail Association's Volcano Loop. "They don't want him to be the icon of the eruption."
http://www.seattlepi.com/mountsthelens/photo.asp?SubID=48&PhotoID=791 [FONT=Arial,Helvetica][/FONT] Roberta Dickerson, a former Castle Rock Chamber of Commerce director who runs the trail group, says a lot of townfolk tolerate the memorial only "because some feel it helps tourism."
Of course, Truman has defenders.
"We all have many facets to our personality, and he had a whole kaleidoscope," says his niece, Shirley Rosen of Bothell.
Rosen wrote a personal memoir called "Truman of St. Helens: The Man and His Mountain." She called her uncle "a salty curmudgeon who lived his life the way he really wanted to live. He was a tough man with a gentle side."
A lot of folklore isn't true, she said. Truman wasn't an uneducated hermit living in a little cabin in the wilderness, as depicted in a television movie that starred Art Carney. He was a Mossyrock High graduate who shrewdly built up a million-dollar business -- despite his unorthodox customer relations.
Truman owned 54 acres of prime land and a resort. He had a monopoly -- 100 boats for rent on the lake, Rosen said. "He was a smart man and a hard worker."
He traveled, going to Detroit to pick up his pink, custom-made 1956 Cadillac at the factory, visiting New York and driving cross-country with his wife and friends.
But his life before the volcano rumbled was far more interesting than the act that made him famous.
Born in West Virginia in 1896, Truman came West with his family of self-sustaining mountain folk who quickly took to logging, hunting and farming. On his way to France during World War I, a German U-boat torpedoed his troopship. An Army airplane mechanic, he learned to fly.
After the war, he married, had two children and ran a gas station in Chehalis -- until Prohibition made bootlegging booze a paying concern. He ran rum to brothels from San Francisco to Canada, Rosen said.
Truman's bootlegging eventually sent him and his young family into hiding at Spirit Lake in 1926, after he ran afoul of gangsters making a hostile takeover. His homesteading supplies included a .45-caliber Thompson submachine gun.
In many ways, Truman was as unpredictable as the land under him. He could show frontier hospitality, then on a whim toss someone out because he didn't like their looks.
Tales around Castle Rock have him backing up his edicts with the show of a gun.
"He could be meaner than a toad at some times, but I remember that he was also encouraging in a kind of you-can-do-it-kid way," Rosen said.
Verdant Spirit Lake attracted interesting outsiders to Truman's door. In 1936, legendary movie producer Jack Warner shot "God's Country and the Woman" in the backcountry. His crew stayed at Truman's lodge, where Warner and Truman traded shots of bourbon.
Running the lodge wasn't Truman's only source of support. His part-time work included poaching bear and elk, flying in seaplanes loaded with illegal booze from Canada and cooking up "Panther Pee" -- his own brand of moonshine -- at hidden stills, Rosen said.
In his 54 years at the foot of the mountain, Truman also carved some outstanding friendships. One was formed in 1953 when he turned away his most famous guest, U.S. Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas.
When a rumpled old guy walked into his lodge, Truman instructed Rosen's sister, Elaine, to "tell the old coot that if he wants a cabin, we don't have any."
When Douglas left, men nursing beers nearby told Truman who he had just given the bum's rush. Shocked, Truman chased after Douglas and convinced him to return.
Truman was married three times, divorcing twice and outliving his cherished third wife of 30 years, Eddie, who was his match in fiber and tenacity. He fathered two children with his first wife, Helen Hughes, the daughter of a mill owner.
After Eddie's death in 1975, Truman fell into depression and regularly took flowers to her grave. Always a fan of Coca-Cola and Schenley's bourbon, his drinking increased.
Just before St. Helens came to life in March 1980, Truman had been slowed by a series of mishaps and seemed to be deteriorating, said George Barker, who was the Skamania County Sheriff's resident deputy at Spirit Lake.
"That winter I was more concerned about an elderly guy staying warm and having food; he was getting older and getting tired," Barker said.
When the mountain started acting up, Truman seemed to come alive as well -- especially when reporters started coming in on the helicopters that would land near his lodge.
"When they began coming around, he got another shot in life," Barker said. "He enjoyed the attention."
Rosen says Truman's unwillingness to leave the mountain had more to do with protecting his property than making a statement. Others say the headlines contributed to his refusal to come off the mountain -- he felt obliged to live up to his press.
"I think he kind of got himself talked into a Catch-22 situation to stay," Barker said. "He wanted to come down. He was very much afraid of earthquakes.
"He felt, like everyone else, that he would be able to see lava start to ooze down and a news helicopter would come in and scoop him up at the last minute."
Nature had other ideas. The searing blast came at 300 mph.
"One scientist told us Truman probably had time to maybe turn his head," Rosen said.
Moments later, Spirit Lake was buried by landslides and mudflows.
"We figure he's 150 feet under the (present) lake," Rosen said. "His pink Cadillac, 16 cats, everything is buried with him -- along with probably a lot of loot" from the lodge safe. "There's no way to get to it," Rosen said. "He took it all with him -- not a lot of people can say that. And I say, ‘Good for him.' "
 
hey, what can i say, i have a thing for ears.

besides who said anything about believing?

i just want to see how it works, for scientific purposes of course.
 
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