What Happened To Global Warming, it's NOT!!

[nnuut]

What do you Guys think about this?
Obama's climate change police View attachment 8150
By Steve Hargreaves, staff writerFebruary 2, 2010: 6:55 AM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Copenhagen climate talks went nowhere. The Senate's attempt to pass a global warming bill appears stuck. But that's doesn't mean greenhouse gas laws aren't coming.
The Environmental Protection Agency, spurred by a Supreme Court ruling, is racing to fill the void. As early as March, the EPA could be required to cap greenhouse gases from things like power plants and large factories, essentially doing what Senate Democrats want, without a messy vote.

Some say it's a great idea. It could put a serious dent in greenhouse gas emissions and go a long way to cleaning up the environment. Others say it could jeopardize investment in industry and hurt job creation.
A tight spot
The EPA didn't really ask for this new power, and most lawmakers pushing to restrict greenhouse gases, in Congress and the administration, would prefer Congress to pass a new global warming law.
But EPA is being forced to act thanks to a challenge from the state of Massachusetts and others back in 2007. Massachusetts said global warming was eroding its coastline, and pushed the EPA to regulate greenhouse gases from vehicles.
The Supreme Court more or less sided with Massachusetts, saying EPA must either classify carbon dioxide - the main gas behind global warming - as an endangerment to public health and regulate it, or say it's not.
The Obama administration, like most scientists, believes it could be a danger.
So come March, EPA will begin regulating carbon dioxide from vehicles - largely through tighter fuel economy standards that have already been announced. Once that happens, the next step, legally, is to regulate it from everything else.
"They are compelled to move forward," said Max Williamson, head of the climate program at Andrews Kurth, a law firm that represents both renewable and fossil fuel energy companies.
0:00 /4:51Climate fatigue at Davos?
Williamson is among those who believe using EPA, and specifically the Clean Air Act, to combat global warming is a bad idea. [more]
http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/02/news/economy/epa_global_warming/index.htm

 

[nnuut]

MORE OF THE SAME, their trying to clear their books of RAHN!!

Updated February 02, 2010
Climate Researchers Manipulated and Hid Data

FOXNews.com

Climate-gate has struck again: A new investigation reveals crucial flaws in data about climate change, as well as attempts by leading researchers to cover up their own mistakes.

Professor Phil Jones asked a colleague to delete emails relating to a report by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Climate-gate has struck again: A new investigation reveals crucial flaws in data about climate change, as well as attempts by leading researchers to cover up their own mistakes.
The study by London paper The Guardian relies upon e-mails leaked by hackers from the University of East Anglia's climatic research unit (CRU). The paper found serious flaws in measurements from Chinese weather stations, noting that documents from them could not be produced.
The leaked e-mails revealed that those monitoring stations were moved several times, meaning data from them may be unreliable. This data was key evidence behind the claim that the growth of cities (which are warmer than countryside) isn't a factor in global warming and was cited by the U.N.'s embattled climate science body, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, to bolster statements about rapid global warming in recent decades.
Worse, adds The Guardian, CRU chief scientist Phil Jones withheld information requested under freedom of information laws. Subsequently a senior colleague told him he feared that Jones's collaborator, Wei-Chyung Wang of the University at Albany-SUNY, had "screwed up," adds the paper.
The story points out that of 105 freedom of information requests to the university concerning the climatic research unit (CRU), which Jones headed up to the end of December, only 10 had been released in full.
Revelations on the inadequacies of this global warming data do not undermine the case that humans are causing climate change, and other studies have produced similar findings. But they do call into question the probity of some climate-change science and are certainly embarrassing for Jones.
The apparent attempts to cover up problems with temperature data from the Chinese weather stations provide the first link between the e-mail scandal and the U.N.'s embattled climate science body, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, as a paper based on the measurements was used to bolster IPCC statements about rapid global warming in recent decades, explains The Guardian.
For more on this story, read the full investigation on The Guardian.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/02/climate-researchers-manipulated-hid-data/

 

[nnuut]

COULD IT BE WATER VAPOR?
Water vapour caused one-third of global warming in 1990s, study reveals

Experts say their research does not undermine the scientific consensus on man-made climate change, but call for 'closer examination' of the way computer models consider water vapour

They conclude: "The decline in stratospheric water vapour after 2000 should be expected to have significantly contributed to the flattening of the global warming trend in the last decade."
Solomon said: "We call this the 10, 10, 10 problem. A 10% drop in water vapour, 10 miles up has had an effect on global warming over the last 10 years." Until now, scientists have struggled to explain the temperature slowdown in the years since 2000, a problem climate sceptics have exploited.
The scientists also looked at the earlier period, from 1980 to 2000, though cautioned this was based on observations of the atmosphere made by a single weather balloon. They found likely increases in water vapour in the stratosphere, enough to enhance the rate of global warming by about 30% above what would have been expected.
"These findings show that stratospheric water vapour represents an important driver of decadal global surface climate change," the scientists say. They say it should lead to a "closer examination of the representation of stratospheric water vapour changes in climate models".
Solomon said it was not clear why the water vapour levels had swung up and down, but suggested it could be down to changes in sea surface temperature, which drives convection currents and can move air around in the high atmosphere.
She said it was not clear if the water vapour decrease after 2000 reflects a natural shift, or if it was a consequence of a warming world. If the latter is true, then more warming could see greater decreases in water vapour, acting as a negative feedback to apply the brakes on future temperature rise. [more]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/29/water-vapour-climate-change

 

[WorkFE]

If man causes global warming what caused the ice age to disappear?

 

[nnuut]

If man causes global warming what caused the ice age to disappear?

It seems I asked that question, but nobody responded!

 

[WorkFE]

Possibly we were not on this earth first:suspicious:

 

[Viva_La_Migra]

If man causes global warming what caused the ice age to disappear?

Cave men!

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[Buster]

If man causes global warming what caused the ice age to disappear?

Here is the answer..Isthmus of Panama


Research this and it becomes obvious that about 4 million years ago the Earth was Covered in Ice all the way to the Equator, the Northern and Southern hemispheres began to warm due to ocean currents changing, and continues to warm today the frozen Polar caps slow but surely..We can't stop it, and we didn't cause it...Period...Unless we open the land dam between the Atlantic and the Pacific at the region of Panama, the Planet will continue to warm...But then we will most certainly return to another Ice Age..

 

[alevin]

Hmm. According to this study published last month-it's the Bering Strait that has had a lot to do with connectivity between Atlantic and Pacific, and Ice Ages vs. Interludes.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100110151325.htm

Seems to me that if we are capable of admitting it's happening whether or not we have anything to do with it-instead of debating whether and how much we have to do with price of tea in China.....

it would be more productive to use what time we have to keep taking hard looks at how might the projected natural increases alter our basic environment in terms of food and water security, natural disaster frequency and severity, what can we do to offset if we don't like the high-probability ecological and societal changes, how long would it take to effect adaptive response actions, how much would it cost, and how long do we have to stand around yakking about who or what's to blame-our lifetime, or our grandchildren's lifetimes?

 

[nnuut]

You never know.

June 26, 2008
Arctic ice melt may be due to undersea volcanoes

Thomas Lifson

[FONT=times new roman,times]The Arctic ice that is supposedly melting, stranding those cuddly looking polar bears, just might be affected by a wave of volcanic eruptions on the ocean floor under the Arctic ice cap. AFP reports on the recently-documented volcanoes, but oddly makes no mention of the possible effect on apocalyptic predictions of global warming.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Recent massive volcanoes have risen from the ocean floor deep under the Arctic ice cap, spewing plumes of fragmented magma into the sea, scientists who filmed the aftermath reported Wednesday.[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]The eruptions - as big as the one that buried Pompei - took place in 1999 along the Gakkel Ridge, an underwater mountain chain snaking 1,800 kilometres (1,100 miles) from the northern tip of Greenland to Siberia. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]Scientists suspected even at the time that a simultaneous series of earthquakes were linked to these volcanic spasms. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]But when a team led of scientists led by Robert Sohn of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts finally got a first-ever glimpse of the ocean floor 4,000 meters (13,000 feet) beneath the Arctic pack ice, they were astonished. [/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]What they saw was unmistakable evidence of explosive eruptions rather than the gradual secretion of lava bubbling up from Earth's mantle onto the ocean floor...[/FONT]
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[FONT=times new roman,times]Steve Gilbert of Sweetness & Light draws our attention [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]to the report, and makes all the connections AFP studiously ignores:[/FONT]
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/06/arctic_ice_melt_mat_be_due_to.html

 

[nnuut]

Then it could be the other way around?

Melting ice caps may trigger more volcanic eruptions

• 10:38 03 April 2008 by Catherine Brahic

A warmer world could be a more explosive one. Global warming is having a much more profound effect than just melting ice caps - it is melting magma too.
Vatnajökull is the largest ice cap in Iceland, and is disappearing at a rate of 5 cubic kilometres per year.
Carolina Pagli of the University of Leeds, UK, and Freysteinn Sigmundsson of the University of Iceland have calculated the effects of the melting on the crust and magma underneath.
They say that, as the ice disappears, it relieves the pressure exerted on the rocks deep under the ice sheet, increasing the rate at which it melts into magma. An average of 1.4 cubic kilometres has been produced every century since 1890, a 10% increase on the background rate.
Frequent eruptions

In Iceland there are several active volcanoes under the ice. The last big eruption was in 1996 at Gjàlp, and before then in 1938 - a gap of 58 years. But Pagli and Sigmundsson say that the extra magma produced as the ice cap melts could supply enough magma for similar eruptions to take place every 30 years on average. [more]
http://www.newscientist.com/article...caps-may-trigger-more-volcanic-eruptions.html

 

[nnuut]

And then there's this.:blink:

THE NEXT ICE AGE - NOW!

http://www.iceagenow.com/

 

[Buster]

When the global warming dam burst, millions around the world would conclude what they had always suspected; there was no global warming and all the billions spent in the name of “reducing greenhouse gases” or “clean energy” was part of a massive fraud, a set-up to permit new forms of taxation and to enrich the participants.

http://www.iceagenow.com/Global_Warming_Fraud_Makes_the_Case_Against_Global_Government.htm

Thanks for the link Norm

 

[burrocrat]

Thought you'd like to see this one. Maybe we should make North Dakota the capitol of the U S A.


This text is from a county emergency manager in Minot,North Dakota


Minot Daily News


WEATHER BULLETIN

Up here in the Northern part of North Dakota we just recovered from a Historic event --- may I even say a "Weather Event" of "Biblical Proportions" --- with a historic blizzard of up to 25" inches of snow and winds to 50 MPH that broke trees in half, knocked down utility poles, stranded hundreds of motorists in lethal snow banks, closed ALL roads, isolated scores of communities and cut power to 10's of thousands.

FYI:

FEMA did nothing.

No one howled for the government.

No one blamed the government.

No one even uttered an expletive on TV.

Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton did not visit.

Our Mayor's did not blame anyone else.

Our Governor did not blame anyone else either.

CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX, or NBC did not visit - or even report on this category 5 snow storm.





Nobody demanded $2,000 debit cards.

No one asked for a FEMA Trailer House.

No one looted.

Nobody - I mean Nobody demanded the government do something.

Nobody expected the government to do anything either.

No Larry King, No Bill O'Rielly, No Oprah, No Chris Mathews and No Geraldo Rivera.
No Shaun Penn, No Barbara Streisand, No Brad Pitts, No Hollywood types to be found.

Nope, we just melted the snow for water.

Sent out caravans of SUV's to pluck people out of snow engulfed cars.

The truck drivers pulled people out of snow banks and didn't ask for a penny.

Local restaurants made food, and the police and fire departments delivered it to the snow bound families..

Families took in the stranded people - total strangers.

We fired up wood stoves, broke out coal oil lanterns or Coleman lanterns.

We put on an extra layers of clothes because up here it is "Work or Die".

We did not wait for some affirmative action government to get us out of a mess created by being immobilized by a welfare program that trades votes for 'sittin at home' checks.

Even though a Category 5 blizzard of this scale is not usual, we know it can happen and how to deal with it ourselves.

I hope this gets passed on.

Maybe .....
SOME people will get the message ......

The world does Not owe you a living.

 

[Buster]

Makes me proud for them...great post Burr

 

[WorkFE]

Could be they did not ask for anything because the phones did not work but they are probably just responsible self reliant citizens who would ask for help if they thought it was something they could not handle on their own.
Let's face it some people feel they are owed

 

[alevin]

I've been snowed in twice in my life for close to a week at a time, same location-plains state. Coleman and kerosene lanterns, flashlights, blankets, extra clothes, 8 hours no power, a couple hours power, then back to 4 hours without. About day 4-5, the oil company closer to town on the same road, would plow out to their drilling rig, then would kindly plow out to the ranch-another mile or so. It helps when you have several people in the house to lend moral support to one another, and share the shovelling to get out to the barn. Moral of the story is-no matter who provides the help or where it comes from, people need other people fast in situations like these-even if its just a neighbor or a stranger who happens along. It's good to know N.Dakotans still have the ethic.

 

[fabijo]

We didn't listen!

 

[nnuut]

More proof of Global Warming! Careful LANGUAGE is racy!:worried:

6 Tiny Things That Have Mind-Blowing Global Impacts

By David Dietle Feb 04, 2010 468,977 views
http://www.cracked.com/article_18403_6-tiny-things-that-have-mind-blowing-global-impacts.html

 

[nnuut]

Cute
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