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See my post #569 of 9/09/08. Get ready to buy at the $spx 1175 mark or the $emw 540-546 mark. Small caps took a beating today, and are now on a support line, and there is another one araound 540. This IMHO is the start of wave 4 upwave. Options X might push the indicies around further (higher/lower). Regardless, we are very close to a buy signal, and it may be tomorrow or Wednesday. The Fed will probably soothe the market and may even announce a 0.25 rate cut (I wouod not put it past them - the manipulators). They porbably care to a lessor degree about inflation vs financial market stability right now.
 
I'm not so worried about the when UT, I would just like to see the trend line start to move in the positive direction for a while...Even if it's a long term bear, I prefer playing the uphill fight...GL and thanks for your commentary..:D

FS
 
The market might gap down to that level at open... Doesn't take long to dive nowadays :worried:

See my post #569 of 9/09/08. Get ready to buy at the $spx 1175 mark or the $emw 540-546 mark. Small caps took a beating today, and are now on a support line, and there is another one araound 540. This IMHO is the start of wave 4 upwave. Options X might push the indicies around further (higher/lower). Regardless, we are very close to a buy signal, and it may be tomorrow or Wednesday. The Fed will probably soothe the market and may even announce a 0.25 rate cut (I wouod not put it past them - the manipulators). They porbably care to a lessor degree about inflation vs financial market stability right now.
 
Qyite a day! Now look back in time on the chart

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You can see going back on SPX that the market played around the 1225 area for a few days, and then blew right by the 1175 area, that I thought might be a buy signal, and is now in between the next area of support (red and green horizontal lines on the chart). You can see the next strong area is 1135 -1075 on the chart.

The market has to hold on to the 1075, or else it will fall off a cliff. Perhaps 800 is the capitulation mark?
 
You are even making me nervous. 2004 and 2005 were base building years for the 2006 nice bull run - we may have to base again or maybe a big V move up back to October 07. Absolutely no one is expecting that kind of move and that's just how the market reacts.
 
CBOE Volatility or Pain/Panic Index currently 36 Buy between 40 and 45 based on the
historical figures below:
The Vix reached high of 40 in 2002 Recession (24 percent S&P loss)
The vix reached high of 45 in 1998 Recession (28 percent S&P loss)
However...beware that VIX reached much loftier heights such as
The vix reached high of 150 in 1987 crash (24 percent S&P loss
in a much shorter period of time)

1932 Stock Market Crash:
This is the grand daddy of them all. Investors lost 86% of their money over this 813 day beast.
This market crash combined with the 1929 crash, makes up the great depression.
If you had $1000 on 9/3/1929 (beginning of the 4th worst crash, it would have gone down to a
whopping $108.14 by July 8th, 1932 (end of the worst crash) or an 89.2% loss. To recover from
a loss like that, you would have to watch your portfolio go up 825%! The full recovery didn't
take place until 1954, 22 years later!
Worst Stock Market Crash Ever:
Date Started: 4/17/1930
Date Ended: 7/8/1932
Total Days: 813
Starting DJIA: 294.07
Ending DJIA: 41.22
Total Loss: -86.0%

Good signs...a since of dire markets conditions and mauling bear consensus appears to be a reverse
signal for possible short term bounce. Short term bounce is likely within 1-2 market days????

Bad signs...FED ask for more money to be raised to help in keeping markets stable. Buyouts and
bailouts have continue to draw down the federal reserves capital. A sense that more bailouts
on the way.

Bad...More banks appear to be in trouble and expanding to all aspects of the banking and insurance
industries.

Bad...Downward momentum in the financial banking structure is accelerating and panic selling is
increasing.

I've been in the S&P for over 19 years...this bank situation is getting really scary. However...
greed is powerful and bank P/E are now around 12-15 compared to January 2008 P/E of 22.

Even though the value of bank assets currently undergoing scrutiny, historically bank P/E 's are now
getting to their 10-year average. The only cheap banks appear to be the Regional Banks with current
P/E of around 7.5. Otherwise...appears bigger banks could still see some downside from current 12-15
down to my horror estimates around 9-10.

So, with all this knowledge in hand, I would rate the short term, a decent buy on oversold conditions, but some downside risk is
still evident in the financial sector which will carryover to other financial limbs.

In recessions like this one, we could see a 4-7 percent bounce. I would have given more but the outlook is so cloudy. I don't see
anything higher. What do ya'll think? I'm thinking about getting in on Thursday. I might miss a rally on Thursday but I see a two day rally.
Looking for a magic ball to give me an answer. I'll accept any help to change my mind.

S&P 1150 appears to be good for my health. If it holds...look for a two day rally. :)
 
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I'm thinking about getting in on Thursday. I might miss a rally on Thursday but I see a two day rally.
Looking for a magic ball to give me an answer. I'll accept any help to change my mind.

S&P 1150 appears to be good for my health. If it holds...look for a two day rally. :)

Poolman's thread has a shortcut to InTheMoneyStocks video for today. They are calling for market turn between Friday and Tuesday. Sounds like they expect it to be short also. As for me, no IFTs and in G until 10/1.
 
CBOE Volatility or Pain/Panic Index currently 36 Buy between 40 and 45 based on the
historical figures below:
The Vix reached high of 40 in 2002 Recession (24 percent S&P loss)
The vix reached high of 45 in 1998 Recession (28 percent S&P loss)
However...beware that VIX reached much loftier heights such as
The vix reached high of 150 in 1987 crash (24 percent S&P loss
in a much shorter period of time)

Excellent point. Tom often comments about the possibility of a crash being spawned from allready over bought/extremely volatile conditions. There are historic tipping points where extreme fear is extremely warranted.

1932 Stock Market Crash:
This is the grand daddy of them all. Investors lost 86% of their money over this 813 day beast.

Birchtree's grandpa revelled in the pain and happily added 14 shares of Standard Oil to his pile on the way down.


I've been in the S&P for over 19 years...this bank situation is getting really scary. However...
greed is powerful and bank P/E are now around 12-15 compared to January 2008 P/E of 22.
Even though the value of bank assets currently undergoing scrutiny, historically bank P/E 's are now
getting to their 10-year average. The only cheap banks appear to be the Regional Banks with current
P/E of around 7.5. Otherwise...appears bigger banks could still see some downside from current 12-15
down to my horror estimates around 9-10.

Don't forget that if earnings est's begin to be revised downward.... and substantially downward, then seemingly fairly valued current PE's are in fact too high.


In recessions like this one, we could see a 4-7 percent bounce. I would have given more but the outlook is so cloudy. I don't see
anything higher. What do ya'll think? I'm thinking about getting in on Thursday. I might miss a rally on Thursday but I see a two day rally.
Looking for a magic ball to give me an answer. I'll accept any help to change my mind.

S&P 1150 appears to be good for my health. If it holds...look for a two day rally. :)


I don't know how to post charts, but S&P 1150 has both horizontal and trend line support convergence........... and the weekly and daily slow stochastics are reaching convincing over sold. I've been eyeing 1150 for a long time now.......... but..... there is poison in the ethos.

I'm one of the first batch of FERS, with much at stake...........

I'll be grinding on it tommorrow.......... good luck.
 
I couldn't make this bigger from where I am right now, but the P&F
Chart shows the red and blue lines quite easily, even from a small
picture. Hope it helps ;)

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Oh yes, grandpa revelling was classical and I darn near fell off of my
chair as the vision began to form in my mind. Thanks for the smile !
 
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I am sitting here reading the news/analysis, and checking the futures from time to time... at the dot of 6 am EST, when European market opened, future shot up to over 1% almost instantaneously... Since then, it has done a couple of almost round trip already... mostly positive though, so the DCB might come sooner than later...
 
IMHO if you think about it - most of the stupid moves have already been made - it's up to fate now.
 
IMHO if you think about it - most of the stupid moves have already been made - it's up to fate now.

Birch - you tickle me; really got a good laugh on this one. :)

Yesterday it's "Wooo is me, ohh please take me down, I can't bear this cross anymore"

DEPRESSION - MANIC (at it's best)

I love you - you are one cool dude :cool::cool:
 
UT:

Any thoughts on when we might see the 4 wave up based on ET? I had hopes we were there but this market madness is unprecedented and looks to be playing with the natural order of things...just like global warming..come to think of it, these guys caused that to happen too:D:D:D

FS
 
Well, I sure got hammered by the failed bail-out. Was in S 100%; that is my largest ever one day loss. However, contrary to what Tom C may be saying in yesterday's post, I still think we may be forming a double bottom, but only if the market can hold on to the 1140 SPX support area today (See my post #484 for the chart). It looks like a W pattern may be forming, and as we know W patterns are bullish.

I still expect a bullish run in this bear market soon. Given that congress moves kind of slow, and the Jewish holiday, I am thinking next Monday or Tuesday for the new market liquidity plan. When the gov fronts $ to xyz bank or hedge fund to back these risky assets, the gov needs to be given shares of preferred stock, so that the tax payers make noney and dont lose money in the long run.
 
Good to have you back my friend. I'm 100% S Fund as well.

According to what I heard last night, it sounded like the Markets would keep diving as long as Congress acted like DHs.

So I'm all excited about the prospects of rolling another account in to buy up more. It's funny because throughout a large part of my life I'd wondered how I would have handled 'The Great Depression'.

Now I'm actually thrilled to pieces because rolling an account into the TSP is a cinch - and I see this as "the opportunity of a lifetime".

Anyway - I'm BULLISH too :D
 
UT:

From what I read in several financial web pages, the cycle high is supposed to happen on Oct 1-2, and I believe Congress will act on Th or Fr. While they are not meeting today and tomorrow, I think they are still working behind the scenes (we are working, aren't we??), so when they reconvene on Th, we might see something happening. I am sure they have learned the lesson WS doled out yesterday. All those guys are ultra-rich, and they will try to save their skin before their constituents'. Read my lips...:suspicious:

I had a good entry point, got more shares than when I got out, and since I know I am a lousy market timer, I am fine to stay put for now. But it was hard being smack in the middle of it yesterday!!! I loaded on my ROTH though, so hopefully, somewhere I am making some money, eventually! :nuts:


Well, I sure got hammered by the failed bail-out. Was in S 100%; that is my largest ever one day loss. However, contrary to what Tom C may be saying in yesterday's post, I still think we may be forming a double bottom, but only if the market can hold on to the 1140 SPX support area today (See my post #484 for the chart). It looks like a W pattern may be forming, and as we know W patterns are bullish.

I still expect a bullish run in this bear market soon. Given that congress moves kind of slow, and the Jewish holiday, I am thinking next Monday or Tuesday for the new market liquidity plan. When the gov fronts $ to xyz bank or hedge fund to back these risky assets, the gov needs to be given shares of preferred stock, so that the tax payers make noney and dont lose money in the long run.
 
OSM are in a panic; the EFA has gapped lower and is showing a cross (indecision) and the $USD is ready to come back and kiss the 20 dma. Panic abounds. Plus high volume in the USM yesterday, a free-fall this morning, and bounce up with a hammer forming on the charts

This is the day to buy my friends -- buy FEAR

I am thinking the I fund will really bounce
 
Thanks Uptrend !!

You're one of the SAFE THREADS...

I don't have to worry about a bunch of mud slinging...just good ole advice to pump us up.

Will move to 100% I Fund.
 
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