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[k0nkuzh0n]

Wow! ......what a bunch of pages to read through.......so you are voting on something to do with how long a season last and how many games to count? I feel the same as Fog........in fact, I am fine with being removed from the stats since I didn't start with the rest of the gang........I am just glad I get to play with the gang, I could care less about the stats. The characters in this group make my day much brighter and funnier. The amount of effort put into this thing is pretty amazing to me with charts, points and video on demand of hands.

Gator, you won't be removed, no worries there. Only reason I brought your name up, as it is the best example of how a change affects people; so if anyone wanted to simulate a change in the spreadsheet, they could see how it changed (or not change) your standings.

Granted I don't think anyone actually did that, and some people took it a completely different way. but what can ya do!

 

[userque]

Hi, I missed out on the lovely conversation you all have been having. I liked the 75% (10 of 13), but quite honestly the only thing I care about is: Does the one time I won on my first match with everyone get counted???? If not, then I am against it!! lol..... See I am very simply self-interested!! lol...

Hey, DBA

Your vote involves circular reasoning (what does or doesn't count will be determined at season close. Your current language suggests your vote is dependent upon the final outcome, which is dependent upon your current vote--circular reasoning).

Your vote is also conditional (requires others to do some sort of calculations/investigations/research). Please pick a clear side to have a counting vote.

Thanks

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

Don't forget to count my vote!

Current voting status:

Make Any Change in the Games per Season for the current, almost over season:
Current: No

PRO: 8 in 23 is not representative of the player's poker skill. Please post to change/add to this argument.

CON: The matter was on the table to be changed earlier, but wasn't. Changing the rules of a contest near the end of the contest is not cool and will not inspire trust in the club going forward. It's simply bad business. Please post to change/add to this argument.

Q: No
winter: No
FS: whatever the majority decides
K0n: Yes

 

[userque]

I'm glad this thread is archived...as this is truly a wonder to me. LOL. No one would believe it unless they could read a copy for themselves!

 

[userque]

Don't forget to count my vote!

I've got you down for 17, is that correct?

 

[DreamboatAnnie]

Hey, DBA

Your vote involves circular reasoning (what does or doesn't count will be determined at season close. Your current language suggests your vote is dependent upon the final outcome, which is dependent upon your current vote--circular reasoning).

Your vote is also conditional (requires others to do some sort of calculations/investigations/research). Please pick a clear side to have a counting vote.

Thanks

..... It was a joke!!! But Quite honestly Q, I do not care how you all come up with stats. All I wanna do is have some fun!

But ...if you seriously want me to vote on something, a plan must be presented. Otherwise, please do whatever is easiest and whatever you all like. I just like playing and interacting with all of you fine folks. Its fun!!! So is anyone willing to pay me something for my proxy vote?????

 

[userque]

OMG..... It was a joke!!! But Quite honestly Q, I do not care how you all come up with stats. I'm a good time girl. I just want to have fun!

But ...if you seriously want me to vote on something, a plan must be presented. Otherwise, please do whatever is easiest and whatever you all like. I just like playing and interacting with all of you fine folks. Its fun!!!

Glad to hear you were joking; however, I have to take you at your word/post. I can't decide when someone is joking or not, unless they make it clear they were joking--which you didn't do, so....OMG....I didn't know you were joking! LOL.

I have to say this: It is not that I 'want' you to vote on something. That's your prerogative. I'm just here to tally the votes etc.

Thanks, but I can't do what's easiest, likeable, or even what's best. I have to do as the members vote.

Just like our country's democracy, I'm afraid 'special interests' will kill this club. Mark my words on that.

While we all tell each other to 'get out the vote.' In reality, most don't care; and are OK with whatever the few that take the time for form an opinion: do. As evidenced by the number of "whatever the majority decides" votes.

Newsflash: that's circular reasoning. You decide what the majority will be.

I'm especially astonished by those type of votes from folks most affected by the outcome.

Hehe...This is going to be fun.

EDIT: Note: I'm not affected by any of the votes. I've voted based upon what I believe is best for the club; not me (or my master, assuming I were a sidekick).

 

[burrocrat]

This is more of a hate the leader by k0n and burro. JPC is just a sidekick. LMAO

this was an attempt to have a conversation about what i feel is a more appropriate number of games to count for season scores. my preference is 75% or 10 of 13. i do feel 35% or 8 of 23 is too low but that is not what i proposed, although if that is also being voted on then i say... hmmm... 75%.

as far as sidekicks go, don't they usually donk off their chips early on a questionable hand to the benefit of another? pretty sure i don't have a sidekick, but i'll keep my eye out for that.

 

[DreamboatAnnie]

I am for 75% of the games. That equates to saying you should attend at least 3 of 4 games each month and only miss one per month (roughly). So that said, if we have a 23 game season, 75% is 17.25.... so I would say lets make it so your "best" 17 must count. I guess that would be to figure your stats????? That means you can miss 6 of the 23 games without affecting your stats. If you miss 7 games, you are still in the tournament but that 7th game counts (i.e. 0) for your stats as part of the 17 that must be counted. If you play 20 games, your best 17 are counted and the lowest 3 are dropped. Therefore, the more you play, the better you increase your odds of having higher stats for the season.

As for who wins the tournament, that should be simple: Whoever has the most winnings because they placed "within the top 3" to earn points that only the top 3 can earn. Is there really any other way to determine that?? I hope this part has already been settled.

Are there any other issues we are discussing? Thanks for giving me an opportunity to comment Q. Thanks for all you do... I do mean that sincerely even if you don't like my favorite presidential candidate!!!

 

[jpcavin]

I'd like to cast my vote for this season to reflect 17 of 23 games and reaffirm my vote for next season as 10 of 13. Roughly 75% for all seasons.


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[userque]

this was an attempt to have a conversation about what i feel is a more appropriate number of games to count for season scores. my preference is 75% or 10 of 13. i do feel 35% or 8 of 23 is too low but that is not what i proposed, although if that is also being voted on then i say... hmmm... 75%.

as far as sidekicks go, don't they usually donk off their chips early on a questionable hand to the benefit of another? pretty sure i don't have a sidekick, but i'll keep my eye out for that.

It was/is an attempt to .... nebermind. Wade through the muck to see relevant posts on this subject.

LMAO...Ohh...you've got one! And we all know it. Whether (or not--but stating "or not" is frowned upon as it should be understood) you accept said sidekick is another thread.

 

[userque]

...I do mean that sincerely even if you don't like my favorite presidential candidate!!!

LOL...thanks.

I like Trump, the person. I simply can't vote for him based on him saying he'll kill the families of suspected terrorists. If you can, that's between you and ... whomever.

He may even make a great president if he doesn't do certain things he said he'll do.

 

[userque]

Current voting status:

Raising Games per Next Season onward:
Current: 8

PRO: Eight is not representative of the player's poker skill. Please post to change/add to this argument.

CON: Increasing the number will be detrimental to the club in the long run. If a member can only make one day of the two, they are only able to play 6 or 7 games. They will not be able to compete with those whose stats include 10 games. Our purpose is not to compete with the WSOP. We must first be about fun. If everyone can play 6 games, why not only judge 6 games. It's not really that serious. Please post to change/add to this argument.

userque: 6
att: whatever the majority decides
FS: whatever the majority decides
JPC: 10
burro: 10
winter: 10
k0n: 10

Make Any Change in the Games per Season for the current, almost over season:
Current: No

PRO: 8 in 23 is not representative of the player's poker skill. Please post to change/add to this argument.

CON: The matter was on the table to be changed earlier, but wasn't. Changing the rules of a contest near the end of the contest is not cool and will not inspire trust in the club going forward. It's simply bad business. Please post to change/add to this argument.

Q: No
winter: No
FS: whatever the majority decides
k0n: Yes, 17
JPC: Yes, 17
DBA: Yes, 17

Give Points for Last Place:
CURRENT: No

PRO:
Last place should make more points than someone that doesn't even play. Please post to change/add to this argument.

CON:
Last place should not make more points than someone that doesn't even play. No 'participation points'. Everyone is GUARANTEED at least last place, if you enter. Plus, changing this would change the values for all other places as well. Please post to change/add to this argument.

Q: Yes
k0n: No
FS: whatever the majority decides

 

[jpcavin]

this was an attempt to have a conversation about what i feel is a more appropriate number of games to count for season scores. my preference is 75% or 10 of 13. i do feel 35% or 8 of 23 is too low but that is not what i proposed, although if that is also being voted on then i say... hmmm... 75%.

You have to provide a number for clarity otherwise your vote does not get counted.

 

[userque]

POKER ROOM NEWS UPDATE:

The members have voted to change the current season to be based upon the best 17 games rather than the established 8 games.

Effective next season, Q will resign as manager of this poker club. He will assist his replacement in all respects.

Q can't be a manager/leader of an organization that would think it's proper to do such a thing. Q lives (and will die) by a certain code.

Effective immediately, Q withdraws from the poker club except as described above. Please purge all stats/records relating to Q.

I've truly enjoyed being of service to you! It has definitely improved my game--especially my short-handed game. Good luck to all, and I wish the club well despite my departure!!

 

[userque]

You have to provide a number for clarity otherwise your vote does not get counted.

burro is already counted as voting for 10 games.

 

[tsptalk]

So Lord of the Flies.

 

[jpcavin]

burro is already counted as voting for 10 games.

I highlighted his post to show that he also voted on the current season.

 

[tsptalk]

Thanks for all you did Q.

For the record of why I wasn't voting... there are things that matter to me, and some things that don't matter as much. When I care, as many TSP Talk old-timers may have seen, I fight for what I believe. We had a lot of knock-down drag out discussions on the autotracker, premiums, and other issues here if you recall. So I understand Q's position.

When it didn't matter I prefer to defer to the people who have put more thought into it. So, please don't take it that I didn't care about the Club, but rather that I knew that those who were more involved would come up with a good solution.

 

[tsptalk]

Here's a suggestion for next season - just to confuse things further...

Being that the problem is some people have trouble making it on one of the days, be it work or play...

... how about a Sunday Season, and a Monday season?

To qualify for the Sunday standings you have to play 75% of Sunday games. Same for Monday.

Then we can have a combined standings for those who play X% of the total of Sunday / Monday tournaments? More poker. More winners. More prizes.
More fun. (or too much work?)