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[k0nkuzh0n]

That's not my motion. My motion is for the next season forward. Again, it is sacrosanct to not make non-critical, slightly opposed changes to a current contest of any sorts.

I wasn't saying previous results. 'Changes values for all finishing positions', aka the entire table changes; that is independent of whether the previous games use an 'old' table vs a 'new' table.

 

[userque]

Found the post, from 3/7:



But I also said:


I had no idea we would have 23 games.

LOL...that's not the conversation we had regarding extending the '8.' BTW...it's not important to me that you dig it up. I could do that myself if I really wanted to. But, I'll speak on it if you dig up the 'wrong' conversation.

 

[userque]

I wasn't saying previous results. 'Changes values for all finishing positions', aka the entire table changes; that is independent of whether the previous games use an 'old' table vs a 'new' table.

Gotcha!

 

[userque]

Cuda insinuated I was picking on, or bullying winter. I like winter.

When I play aggressively towards anyone, it is a show of respect towards them. A show of fear, healthy fear. There's only one person at our tables that I would give a break to. No comment as to who that is. Hint: It aint burro nor his sidekick. Hehe.

Winter was raising me like a pro early in the game; raising my blind--and all other manner of uncivilized poker. I don't know what books she'd been reading, but she had to go. The sooner the better. You run by a dog, it'll give chase. You keep raising me, expect a reaction.

I didn't know if winter had formed a study group with FS or what...it didn't matter. She earned a bead. I kept a bead on her. When I had a clear shot, I took it. That's it and that's all.

That's poker my dear friend.

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

LOL...that's not the conversation we had regarding extending the '8.' BTW...it's not important to me that you dig it up. I could do that myself if I really wanted to. But, I'll speak on it if you dig up the 'wrong' conversation.

wth? Please do.

 

[burrocrat]

my vote would be for 10 of 13 games to count for season standings: 10/13=76.9%, 9/13=69.2%, 8/13=61.5%. so i would vote for 10 as it is closest to 75%.

actually, i think it should be the whole standings each season that counts. if you want to win the nascar championship you run every race, if you want to win the nba championship you play every game, if you want to go to heaven you attend church every week, or else you accept a lower overall standing than those who prepared and competed consistently.

with only 12 members and 8-9 regulars playing any given night, i don't think it would matter too for attendance much if the number was 1 or 13 games to count, if folks want to play and have time to play then they will enjoy the games they play. if they want to compete for championship prizes they will compete regularly. as far as metrics go, there is always the 'lifetime' standings, and it would not be difficult to average out a player's performance (% of games played won 2nd or 3rd etc., number of points/game played, or whathaveyou to establish a player baseline).

i don't understand the "protect the working men and women" theory and "make things fair" attempt. the poker table is the great leveler, it is a fair game and needs no additional "fairness" or "accomodation" built in, it solves itself in a perfect solution every night. presumably we are all alive and have lives with other commitments besides poker, whether that be family or karaoke or some computer alogrythm lovin. again, if it is important to play and compete, one finds time to train and attend competitions and compete.

i think 3 'gimmes' out of 13 is more than enough to allow for important or unavoidable events or required travel or whatever. any more than that and it becomes less of a pure competition and more of a hippie commune where everybody eats the same potatoes regardless of production. poker is the opposite of communism, sieze the day if you want it, if not be a happy hippie and live every moment of the games you do play.

my vote is for 10 games per 13 game season or 75%.

 

[burrocrat]

as far as the 'changing the scoring system' midstream, it occurs to me that that is exactly what has already happened. first there was the club scoring system which the previous manager was not very good at managing, then there was changing times/dates of games to find a happy medium, then we (kuz) developed a more detailed scoring system, but we kept all of the previous games to be calculated in the whole total. so yes, this does get awkward, and i do agree with keeping all the games, but i think it is disingenuous to argue agains shifting gears midstream when we have already given it a major overhaul on the hot track while the game was running.

8 games of 23 seems like a primary vote, not an election.

 

[userque]

wth? Please do.

Lol...Ok, when I get some time.

 

[userque]

With regard to the number of 'best of' games for next season (see previous posts for discussion). We have the following votes:

Current: 8

JPC: 10
burro: 10

Consensus thus far: 10

Vote and Discuss until the next season starts (July 1)

 

[userque]

as far as the 'changing the scoring system' midstream, it occurs to me that that is exactly what has already happened. first there was the club scoring system which the previous manager was not very good at managing, then there was changing times/dates of games to find a happy medium, then we (kuz) developed a more detailed scoring system, but we kept all of the previous games to be calculated in the whole total. so yes, this does get awkward, and i do agree with keeping all the games, but i think it is disingenuous to argue agains shifting gears midstream when we have already given it a major overhaul on the hot track while the game was running.

8 games of 23 seems like a primary vote, not an election.

There is a difference between mandatory change and voluntary change. You suddenly stepping down as manager caused forced changes. Not voluntary, unneeded changes--that can affect the standings of participants.

PS screwing up the stats (and causing us to have to keep our own stats) is another case of mandatory change.

To simply change things because it may better one's standing is unethical, imo. It was 8 in the beginning. My early motion to change it once it became clear that the season would be long, was opposed by k0n and not supported by those now complaining.

The fact that the season will be longer has been well known for a while now.

K0n has posted the spreadsheet showing the best of 8 rankings for a while now.

There were no subsequent motions, until I posted the best 8 standings here yesterday.

If someone wants to move to change the current season. So clearly state.

 

[userque]

wth? Please do.

Here's my post:

Here's your response:

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

The fact that the season will be longer has been well known for a while now.

I don't think anyone (except maybe you) knew it was going to be 10 games longer. Originally you said it was just going to be 1 month longer, which would be about only 4 extra games.

I'm fine with 8, I'm fine with 10, I'm fine with 23. Lets not over analyze and make this a bigger deal than it really is. :laugh:

With how the spreadsheet was made, you can find how you did with any combination of the top-x games, for any given date range (independent of seasons).

 

[tsptalk]

I have not added my 2 cents because, well I'm just happy to play. I'll accept any rules you guys think is best.

I do appreciate the alternating days because I know I will miss some of the Sunday games. They start at 6 PM in my time zone so there's a chance that I will be out or have family over, etc.

You've done a great job putting it together! Thank you!

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

You realize that is 1 of the 2 posts I quoted, yet you claimed wasn't part of the conversation, right? :blink:

Here's your response:

 

[jpcavin]

I think all games should count so 3 freebies is more than enough. No advantage here since counting all games would actually lower my standing. I personally don't try as hard when I know I can throw a few games.

I'm ok with whatever the majority decides. Just stating my preference.

 

[jpcavin]

I don't think anyone (except maybe you) knew it was going to be 10 games longer. Originally you said it was just going to be 1 month longer, which would be about only 4 extra games.

I'm fine with 8, I'm fine with 10, I'm fine with 23. Lets not over analyze and make this a bigger deal than it really is. :laugh:

With how the spreadsheet was made, you can find how you did with any combination of the top-x games, for any given date range (independent of seasons).

I hear ya kuz. I didn't know it was going to be more than 10 games either. Maybe I missed that post too.

 

[userque]

I don't think anyone (except maybe you) knew it was going to be 10 games longer. Originally you said it was just going to be 1 month longer, which would be about only 4 extra games.

I'm fine with 8, I'm fine with 10, I'm fine with 23. Lets not over analyze and make this a bigger deal than it really is. :laugh:

With how the spreadsheet was made, you can find how you did with any combination of the top-x games, for any given date range (independent of seasons).

I had no idea it would be ten games. Did you also forget that we agreed to sync to PS seasons? That we didn't know that PS seasons were hard coded? Should I post those too?

I don't really over-analyze. You denied what you said. You asked me to post it. I did.

While the spreadsheet can calculate any number of days, we still have to agree on how many that well be.

You guys are a hot mess!

 

[FogSailing]

I'll go along with the majority...I'm good however it goes...just enjoy the play with friends...

FS

 

[userque]

I think all games should count so 3 freebies is more than enough. No advantage here since counting all games would actually lower my standing. I personally don't try as hard when I know I can throw a few games.

I'm ok with whatever the majority decides. Just stating my preference.

Just to be clear. Are you voting for 10? Or are you not voting? Currently, as you've just stated you are only stating a preference (and that you are ok with whatever the majority decides), you are deemed not voting on the issue.

 

[burrocrat]

I'll go along with the majority...I'm good however it goes...just enjoy the play with friends...

FS

friends? what? we are supposed to be friends too? this is never going to work for poker. i am not a very good friend because i want all the chips and to win all the time.