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i'll have to watch the video later, but the way i prefer to remember it was that i was doing pretty good, except i walked in to two big hands. well ran headfirst at top speed into two brick walls. ouch. but given the cards on board and or my read on the opponints play and betting and history, i did not see those hand coming. had no inkling that person held those hands in that situation. so i will have to adjust my reads. that's poker. live and learn.
 
jpcavin said:
For the record...I took no pleasure in what happened at 23:52 and then again at 31:18 :D However, he did mention there is no love in poker so all good Hollywood. :laugh:
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My BS detector has been pinging off the charts all day today!
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tsptalk said:
So... have to ask. Did you think I was bluffing? :sick: :smile:

26:30 mark.
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It crossed my mind but no. You did not raise until the flop and there was nothing of value at the flop. So I thought I had a better hand by process of elimination and I played it that way. The run saved my butt. :D
 
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jpcavin said:
It crossed my mind but no. You did not raise until the FLOP and there was nothing of value at the FLOP. So I thought I had a better hand by process of elimination and I played it that way. The run saved my butt. :D
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Well, I'm glad you made good use of my chips. :D

I actually raised $500 pre-flop.
 
burrocrat said:
i'll have to watch the video later, but the way i prefer to remember it was that i was doing pretty good, except i walked in to two big hands. well ran headfirst at top speed into two brick walls. ouch. but given the cards on board and or my read on the opponints play and betting and history, i did not see those hand coming. had no inkling that person held those hands in that situation. so i will have to adjust my reads. that's poker. live and learn.
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I don't think anyone said anything negative about your play. I really haven't looked at your actual hand in particular, but we all get sucked out on. You'll get'm next time. :) I think No1's just funin' and enjoying her accomplishment...I think it's more about her than her victims right now. :)

EDIT: I'm not even sure you got sucked out on. :) As I'm slowly recalling.
 
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I'm sure we all have our bad beat stories, but this one several years ago left a mark on me that I never got over. I had placed 2nd and 3rd in several tournaments but never won one at this point.

3 players left in a decent sized tournament. Winner gets several thousand. I'm tied with another player for the lead, a few chips down. The third player is down to nearly nothing.

I get dealt AA. The leader raises, I reraise, player 3 folds, player 1 goes all in. I call.

I turn over AA. The 1st place guy says I thought you were bluffing and has to show J5 off.

I flop a set of aces. Runner runner clubs and the guy's 5 of clubs makes a flush.

I walked straight out the casino doors. Got in my car and started my 2 hour drive home. About 15 minutes down the road I realized I never went to get my 3rd place prize money and had to drive back. :D
 
tsptalk said:
I'm sure we all have our bad beat stories, but this one several years ago left a mark on me that I never got over. I had placed 2nd and 3rd in several tournaments but never won one at this point.

3 players left in a decent sized tournament. Winner gets several thousand. I'm tied with another player for the lead, a few chips down. The third player is down to nearly nothing.

I get dealt AA. The leader raises, I reraise, player 3 folds, player 1 goes all in. I call.

I turn over AA. The 1st place guy says I thought you were bluffing and has to show J5 off.

I flop a set of aces. Runner runner clubs and the guy's 5 of clubs makes a flush.

I walked straight out the casino doors. Got in my car and started my 2 hour drive home. About 15 minutes down the road I realized I never went to get my 3rd place prize money and had to drive back.
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Yeah...that hurt me a little bit just reading it.
 
userque said:
I don't think anyone said anything negative about your play. I really haven't looked at your actual hand in particular, but we all get sucked out on. You'll get'm next time. :) I think No1's just funin' and enjoying her accomplishment...I think it's more about her than her victims right now. :)

EDIT: I'm not even sure you got sucked out on. :) As I'm slowly recalling.
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That's true....I am excited about how well I am doing in spite of zero experience playing poker. I think everyone has been playing well from what I see with my limited understanding. I've been taken through the wringer more than I care to remember. :sick: Needless to say, we won't talk about those times...not if I can help it :laugh:
 
userque said:
No1gata done good. But, she should have one. Based upon what I remember.

She had a (10 or 20)-to-one chip advantage over K0n!!!!! k0n had about 3.5 BB. (10k to 420) All No1 had to do was repeatedly put k0n all in. Either he folds and blinds out in a couple of minutes; or he calls and takes his chances...but the odds favor the huge chip stack.

Instead, No1 'grinded' it out with k0n as though they we on equal terms????...lesson learned, I hope. :) Even so, great job taking out everyone else, I believe the largest turnout yet.
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She actually played quite more aggressively than you give her credit for. She was putting the pressure on almost every hand, even after I had the chip lead. I think I went all in 3 or 4 times, and I won them all.

As the chip leader, you lose one or two of those 'force all-ins' ... and you are no longer the chip leader.

She didn't lose because she didn't play it right. I got hands when I needed them most. When i was down to my lowest (in the 400's I think), I got a middle pocket pair twice, and doubled up twice. Even with the pocket pairs, it was close to a toss-up on both occasions. If nothing else, this alone should disprove the theory; I went all-in with those hands because I had to, not because I wanted to.

From there on, I won a couple critical hands (trips/straight) that completely turned the table.

But don't let the outcome mislead you: She made me pay for every single card I wanted to see, and it certainly wasn't cheap.
 
k0nkuzh0n said:
She actually played quite more aggressively than you give her credit for. She was putting the pressure on almost every hand, even after I had the chip lead. I think I went all in 3 or 4 times, and I won them all.

As the chip leader, you lose one or two of those 'force all-ins' ... and you are no longer the chip leader.

She didn't lose because she didn't play it right. I got hands when I needed them most. When i was down to my lowest (in the 400's I think), I got a middle pocket pair twice, and doubled up twice. Even with the pocket pairs, it was close to a toss-up on both occasions. If nothing else, this alone should disprove the theory; I went all-in with those hands because I had to, not because I wanted to.

From there on, I won a couple critical hands (trips/straight) that completely turned the table.

But don't let the outcome mislead you: She made me pay for every single card I wanted to see, and it certainly wasn't cheap.
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I get what you both are saying. I was aggressive but not aggressive enough. I should have forced you to go all in when I had the good hands to prevent you from bleeding me dry because over time, your experience would outplay me.
 
jpcavin said:
I get what you both are saying. I was aggressive but not aggressive enough. I should have forced you to go all in when I had the good hands to prevent you from bleeding me dry because over time, your experience would outplay me.
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I disagree, but you're more than welcome to try :cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:
 
Put it this way... I got 2nd in the first tourney, and got first the next FIVE times and counting.

Someone please name one time that I used that strategy to win...
 
k0nkuzh0n said:
She actually played quite more aggressively than you give her credit for. She was putting the pressure on almost every hand, even after I had the chip lead. I think I went all in 3 or 4 times, and I won them all.

As the chip leader, you lose one or two of those 'force all-ins' ... and you are no longer the chip leader.

She didn't lose because she didn't play it right. I got hands when I needed them most. When i was down to my lowest (in the 400's I think), I got a middle pocket pair twice, and doubled up twice. Even with the pocket pairs, it was close to a toss-up on both occasions. If nothing else, this alone should disprove the theory; I went all-in with those hands because I had to, not because I wanted to.

From there on, I won a couple critical hands (trips/straight) that completely turned the table.

But don't let the outcome mislead you: She made me pay for every single card I wanted to see, and it certainly wasn't cheap.
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I say what I say not to credit or discredit. It is to honestly advise. My post was dealing with when she had you by the nads...20 to 1. Not afterwards.

She should have crushed you mercilessly. She should have gotten mid-evil on your as. Instead, she hardly, if ever, raised pre-flop...let alone put you all in.

I congratulate hard. So I instruct, based upon what I know/see, hard. She should be able to destroy anyone, without even looking at her cards, with that sort of chip lead--or die trying. But the key is: go for the juggler. I was madder than a mf watching you wiggle out of that one. ;swear

Let's do the math, shall we?

1:20 after one double-up
2:19 after 2
4:17 after 3
8:13

She could have tried 3 time to destroy you. And still would have a big lead. (The above ignores blinds/antes--they by themselves could have wiped you out.)

She did not have to try all-ins consecutively.

Folks, when your opponent is more skilled than you; you don't want to play around with them--you will likely lose. Use the technique burro uses all the time: fight their skill with all-ins, if you manage to get a huge chip lead on them, use it to your advantage. Don't just view it as money in the bank or something.
 
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