TSP Millionaires

As I see some of you like mstrzerg's strategy (or modify from seasonal strategy) after I posted.

Here are some of comments from mstrzerg and other related to his strategy:

mstrzerg:
Those dates were chosen using an algorithm which randomly modified the trade dates and funds to maximize returns. Repeat this about 1 billion times until you arrive at these numbers. While it yields impressive backtesting results, I'm not as happy with its real world performance.

Another professional tsp advice wrote: "I was intrigued by your results so I did some exploring on my own. I found if I used your dates and viewed them as potential windows of opportunity and applied traditional analysis to make a final decision the results were even more impressive. There were several instances where I would skip the trade entirely when the trend was obviously against it and other times I would let a trade ride longer than the exit date if the trend was running strong."


skiehawk11: mstrzerg, in your backtest you were able to duplicate a 10 year rolling seasonal strategy to predict the next year's strategy? Let me know if I read that correctly.

mstrzerg: Sort of... I really need to run it against just S&P500 data, using a stand-in for the G-fund. What I did:

Using data from 2003 to 2013 I developed a method for creating a seasonal trading pattern based on past years performance. This is where the crazy 20+% a year gains came from. Being suspicous, I tried a new strategy. If I created a pattern from 2003 data then applied it to 2004 data what would happen. Then take 03 and 04 data and apply it to 05. Continue until you run out of data. It worked great! Until 2008-09 where a change in market conditions caused the pattern to loose a ton of money AND miss the upside. Because of the crazy gains previously it still averaged about 7% through those years, but never recovered it's crazier high gains.

I messed around with this a bit more, trying different things, but ultimately have to recommend caution when dealing with backtesting. There is value there, but you have to be really careful how you apply it.

Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing.


Sometime I used his strategy when the trend is right and most of the times are not, as one of the professional advice aformentioned that there are several instances he would skip trade entirely. Each strategy or system has the strength and weakness or just like Dreamboat mentioned that other factors are affecting the market, so for this reasons not everyone willing to follow it 100%. As no one can predict the market, but based on historical we can learn from it and try to avoid as many mistake as we can to maximize our profit.
 
I was kidding about keeping it up to date. It would be a lot of work.

Hi Jken,
Update is not time consuming. I am just computing a straight (un compounded) earning for a given time frame. The developer of the original analysis did all the numerous computations to derive the timeframes. Anyone can take spreadsheet and just add the 4 market close prices on date the investment period ends to see what actual results would have been if you had followed strategy. I will be doing it just to see.

Will likely update this weekend but not sure how long I will post results.
 
SWAVET... Thanks for the information and follow-up. I like what was said about using it to mark possible entry /exits with modification. I like that Bucket is trying it out but that scares the bageebees out of me! But I also believe it has value and will consider it in my overall strategy.
 
Hi,
Here is an update to spreadsheet thru 8/19/13---completion of last investment period per that strategy. Any future posts for updates will be on my account talk so as to free this up for talk about MILLIONAIRES!! :cheesy:

Not certain how often I will post so if anyone wants the updates send a private message. Thanks!
 

Attachments

You may have missed a 150 point down bearish head fake which means you'll likely miss the next 500 points on the upside - summers are difficult to tade.
 
You may have missed a 150 point down bearish head fake which means you'll likely miss the next 500 points on the upside - summers are difficult to tade.

Hi BT.... How does the math on that work? I just entered market this past Friday.
 
Last edited:
Dream,

With your current position you'll hardly feel the pain - use your remaining money to DCA in at even lower prices if they develope - I suspect we'll rally up soon once the Fed puts out a rumor of no tapering in September or the rest of the year. These selloffs reset the oscillators and sentiment and are usually buying opportunities. I've got about 75 dividends that I'll be reinvesting in September - so bring on the opportunities to further build my income stream.
 
Yes.. Must say I like that strategy. Was thinking about moving from market to G fund in a couple weeks.. Trying to make a few bucks...get out and then Wait for drop ....obviously to try to buy low ....but now thinking maybe good to buy more by Friday.. Since the lows are coming early...willSee if gets lower. I also think its possible QE easing will be very small or not happen.. But Sept should be crazy with debt ceiling discussions ramping up as politicians come back to dc and with the Syria thing going on. But still trying to keep an eye on real indicators.. Transports and housing starts,etc
 
Missed this article in Sept:

[h=2]Federal TSP millionaire tells how to join the club[/h]Federal News Radio Story

I was interested in the F Fund comments. And his/her recommendations on splitting the Fund.

Glad you're all here, hope you meet your goals!
 
He does have a point about the "F" fund not really having anywhere to go but the wrong direction moving into the future.

I'll have to ponder that some more. In the past I've used "F" as my safety net, and been pretty successful as bond rates fell. They aren't likely going to fall any more than they are now.

Maybe it's time to change that backstop to "G" exclusively.
 
Even better article today over on Mike Causey's report:

...

The average TSP account for CSRS investors is currently $98,416 and for FERS investors it is $99,056. That's about $10,000 more than the average private-sector investor has in his or her company 401(k) plan.

More than 77,000 feds have accounts worth half a million dollars.
Before last month's shutdown, many experts predicted the stock market would react badly. Some nervous/cautious investors pulled $2 billion out of their TSP stock- market funds. They figured the G Fund (Treasury securities) was the safest place to ride out the likely stock market storm However, instead of tanking because of the shutdown, the market went up! So did the share price of the C, S and I funds, which are invested in the U.S. and international markets.

Read the scoop here: Mike Causey's federal report, on Federal News Radio:

Winterizing your TSP lifeboat - FederalNewsRadio.com
 
Anyone else surprised the average FERS account is roughly the same as the average CSRS? There are too many of us who are not taking advantage of the TSP (not on this board but general federal population).
 
Yeah Tom, I remember his words and comments very well. Wonder if he would extend you the same courtesy that you extended to him and allow you an opinion column where you can politely tell him, "We told you so, jerk!!!????!!!"
 
Yeah Tom, I remember his words and comments very well. Wonder if he would extend you the same courtesy that you extended to him and allow you an opinion column where you can politely tell him, "We told you so, jerk!!!????!!!"
Agreed, Tom you rock!

Good to see you Minnow, my Friend!
 
So,

In April Frixxxx posts that there were 562 millionaires in TSP. Some guffawed that. Many thought it is impossible...

Well, in December of the same year we now have 1,656 millionaires in TSP. The millionaire count tripled in seven months.

And, here is the current breakdown:
Here is the current breakdown of TSP balances by amount:
  • Under $50,000: 2,798,820
  • $50,000 – $249,999: 1,424,190
  • $250,000 – $499,999: 335,638
  • $500,000 – $749,999: 71,272
  • $750,000 – $999,999: 11,063
  • $1,000,000 - : 1,656

As a note, my left-most number ticked up recently. 3 years to clear 100 clams. Yummy, very yummy...

Still on target for grinding out $70K from my TSP account in today's money for 35 fantastic years of old age bliss. I will probably step away from the risk plate five years out so I will have to suffer with a bit less. Trust C/S/I long term. And, please do not make us 'invest' more in the crappy G Fund (which is where your pension 'investments' slop to...).
 
Military will never ever reach this much... :( sad. CONGRESS WHY CANT MILITARY GET MATCHING?! YOU OVER PAYING SNAKES!!!!
 
Military will never ever reach this much... :( sad. CONGRESS WHY CANT MILITARY GET MATCHING?! YOU OVER PAYING SNAKES!!!!
As I have posted many times, once a person retires from the military, it takes over a million dollars to pay them for the rest of their lives. Matching really doesn't make sense.
 
Back
Top