Making the most of your TSP in retirement

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In retirement? This one’s for you. You asked, and we’ll answer: We’ve created a new series for those who have reached the retirement phase of their journey. It is just for you, and the content is almost exclusively based on hundreds of questions that participants sent us this spring about living in retirement. Since you’re a part of our “in” crowd, over the next few weeks, we’ll send you details about required minimum distributions, managing investment return and risk, withdrawing from traditional vs. Roth balances (including Roth in-plan conversions), tax rules, and more.

A recent national survey (not specific to the TSP) suggests that almost half of retirees across the United States do not have a consistent strategy for how to withdraw from their accounts. Whether you have a strategy in mind or you haven’t thought about it yet, we hope our new series will help you get the most out of your TSP.

Not retired? Our records indicate that you've left federal service and are age 60 or older. If you are not retired or prefer not to receive this series, you can easily unsubscribe. (This link will not remove you from other TSP emails.)

You can stay with the TSP forever if you choose

We’ll start with a big one: When you retire, you don’t have to do anything with your TSP account immediately. We get this question a lot and continue to hear from participants who don’t know that keeping their money in the TSP is an option. Some were even told incorrect information during pre-retirement seminars, so we want to make this point clear.

You can keep your TSP account for as long as you like if you maintain the minimum account balance of $200. You don’t have to remove any money from your savings until you reach the age that the IRS requires you to start taking required minimum distributions (RMDs). And even then, you can stay with the TSP.

After you’ve reached your RMD age, we'll automatically send you a payment to satisfy any required amount before the deadline each year. If you’re already taking withdrawals when you reach RMD age, it’s possible that the amounts you take out will be enough to satisfy your RMD for the year. If not, we’ll send you the difference.

Many retirees decide to keep their savings in the TSP after retirement to take advantage of our low expenses, flexible withdrawal options, and easy-to-understand investment funds. You can continue to access your savings by logging in to My Account on tsp.gov, even after you’ve left federal service.

Want to consolidate? You can do it with us.

Wondering if you can still add new money to your TSP after leaving federal or uniformed service? This is another frequent question. While you can no longer contribute from payroll deductions after you leave federal service, all participants (including retirees) can roll over money from eligible retirement plans, like 401(k)s or IRAs, into the TSP. Rollovers allow you to consolidate your retirement savings in one place so that it’s easier to evaluate whether you’re on target to meet your goals with a consistent investment strategy. And because the TSP’s low-cost funds are usually less expensive, your savings could grow more quickly in your TSP account.

To learn more about what types of plans are eligible or to make a rollover into the TSP, call us on the ThriftLine at 1-877-968-3778. Select option 4 to access our rollover concierge service. With this free service, our participant service representatives work directly with your outside institution(s) to roll your other plan(s) into the TSP. (You can also log in to My Account at tsp.gov and use our online self-service tool.)

$120 in expenses per year vs. $3,000

Where you choose to keep your savings can have a big effect on your retirement income. The TSP has some of the lowest expenses in the industry, and we’re completely transparent about them.

Remember that retirement plans and investment options charge fees. You may have heard that the TSP’s expenses are lower than 99% of investment options.* The goal is to keep expenses low so that your money continues to grow in the TSP, even after you stop working.

Some financial advisors may approach you with opportunities that sound too good to be true. While qualified advisors can add value, they often charge at least 1% ($1 for every $100 in your account) each year. That's more than 25 times what the TSP cost last year.**

In other words, if your TSP balance was $300,000 last year, you paid about $120 in expenses to the TSP. If your $300,000 had been in an account with typical financial advisor fees instead, you would’ve paid closer to $3,000—in one year. Again, sound financial advice can help, but consider what the cost difference could mean over 10, 20, or even 30 years. The less you pay in fees, the more you keep—and the TSP helps make that possible.

 
I got the email but it is more of a promotion to encourage you to stay with TSP and/or transfer other accounts to TSP. They really want you to keep your money in TSP and wait until RMDs hit to withdraw funds. It does nothing to inform you on how to manage withdrawals in retirement. I guess you need wait to see what their future installments will be.
"A recent national survey (not specific to the TSP) suggests that almost half of retirees across the United States do not have a consistent strategy for how to withdraw from their accounts."
My revised strategy is to withdraw as much as I can to stay within a certain tax bracket while doing conversion outside of TSP and being able to contribute to Roth IRA (even though you are taxed on the conversion, IRA conversions don't count against Roth income limits).
Here is a good overview of the RMD Time Bomb https://wealthkeel.com/blog/rmd-tax-planning-retirement/ and a calculator you can adjust based on age/amount/RoR https://www.calculator.net/rmd-calculator.html. Suggested methods to minimized the Tax Bomb include Roth Conversions and Qualified Charitable Distributions (QCDs)
Once you reach RMD age you lose control of the taxable amount other than QCDs and you may be subject to IRMAA when you add Pension, SS & other income to the RMD amount
 
GOOD RIDDANCE TSP

I really need to vent about my latest and soon to be last interaction with this archaic system. When I retired in 2016, I rolled a good portion of my TSP funds into a self directed IRA that I owned at Vanguard. Mistake number one was not completely closing out any remaining funds I had in the TSP. Now after years of being burned by 12:00 trading cutoffs and twice monthly trade restrictions I find myself being screwed one last time. It turns out that even though I did a rollover to the very same account 10 years ago, the system requires a 7 day wait period before I can withdraw my funds. Apparently when they did their great "upgrade" a few years back, any previous account data was deleted and now I have to wait until the IRA account gets verified again. Then when I am able to withdraw the remaining funds, they are sent to Vanguard not by ACH but via snail mail. That's 10 business days according to the TSP people that several hundreds of thounds of dollars will be in limbo in the US Postal system. Why are they still operating in the stone age? Computers and the internet are a real thing today people! And the icing on the cake is that while my cash is tied up with the post office I'll be getting absolutely no interest or dividends on that money. Three weeks to move funds from one account to another is unacceptable! And that is assuming my check isn't lost or stolen while in posession of USPS. TSP? More like POS.
 
TSP used to be run by the federal government, with real federal government employees.

Then an administation farmed it out to their buddies, the lowest bidders. (Blackrock was part of them) . Ever since, it’s been pulling teeth to get them to listen to anything at all their account holders are saying to them.

“They” is an unelected , appointed board, and contracting people to see that the company that operates the software gets paid. Thats pretty much it. No easy way to talk to a human.

They don’t get much flexibility- as to what products are offered- but they should do better on execution, as in your example here.
 
Yep, they snail mailed my TSP money to me when I rolled it over to Edward Jones. Stone age is more like it.
 
Yes, It seems like they should be able to do EFT but same thing happened with Credit Union transfer to Fidelity last year. It took over a month and they say it has something to do with regulations.
Per Search Assist: "Credit unions and TSPs typically do not allow electronic funds transfers (EFT) for rollovers because they require direct rollovers to be processed through checks made out to the receiving institution, ensuring compliance with tax regulations and preventing potential penalties. This method helps maintain the tax-deferred status of the funds during the transfer."
I rolled several accounts between brokerage account end of 2024 and they did everything electronically, including transfering stocks & funds, I had rolled money out of TSP earlier in 2024. Because of the 7 day rule, I had them send the funds to me, check made out to me/brokerage and then I sent fedex to brokerage that the brokerage provided as a work around which worked and shortened the time in limbo. This won't help radarvector but it is an option others may want to consider.
 
GOOD RIDDANCE TSP

I really need to vent about my latest and soon to be last interaction with this archaic system. When I retired in 2016, I rolled a good portion of my TSP funds into a self directed IRA that I owned at Vanguard. Mistake number one was not completely closing out any remaining funds I had in the TSP. Now after years of being burned by 12:00 trading cutoffs and twice monthly trade restrictions I find myself being screwed one last time. It turns out that even though I did a rollover to the very same account 10 years ago, the system requires a 7 day wait period before I can withdraw my funds. Apparently when they did their great "upgrade" a few years back, any previous account data was deleted and now I have to wait until the IRA account gets verified again. Then when I am able to withdraw the remaining funds, they are sent to Vanguard not by ACH but via snail mail. That's 10 business days according to the TSP people that several hundreds of thounds of dollars will be in limbo in the US Postal system. Why are they still operating in the stone age? Computers and the internet are a real thing today people! And the icing on the cake is that while my cash is tied up with the post office I'll be getting absolutely no interest or dividends on that money. Three weeks to move funds from one account to another is unacceptable! And that is assuming my check isn't lost or stolen while in posession of USPS. TSP? More like POS.
Along those lines I need the wisdom of this crowd. I retired at 56 in 2023 after 35 years of ATC in the ATL (ZTL). I rolled most of my TSP over to a Schwab IRA with a Financial Manager and told them to grow it and let my kids fight over it when my wife and I are dead. I hope we never need it. I kept about 20% in the TSP account to "play" with. I've lost a lot of money over the years due to the 12:00 p.m. deadline and 2-trade limit. I also came across some incompetent people at the TSP when I was retiring and trying to move the money. Why would I keep the money in the TSP and not move it to a second IRA in a brokerage account to get out from under the TSP restrictions? To save me from myself? I wouldn't be doing much swing or any day trading with it because I'm not that good at this. Someone talk me down. It sure would be nice to wait until 3:50 p.m. to make my decisions though and be able to move the money as often as I want to keep up with market trends better even if it's just in the same index funds the TSP uses. I would still manage my son's TSP Account as he's Coast Guard and usually on a boat on the move somewhere. I just can't see a reason to stay in the TSP. Thanks for any wisdom you may want to share.
 
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I kept mine, even though I don't need it. I have turned into a personal goal and game to watch it grow. I knew nothing about it and just started learning this past year after retiring from the military. The bulk of what I have learned is from this forum and seeing what others are doing. I did a deep dive into the new I fund and thats where most of my focus has been. But really, I keep it simple, buy low, sell high. When I am up a few bucks a share I wait for a day that is up a good amount before noon and move out to lock in gains. Then look for a dip where the fund is down a good amount before noon and buy back in. 1-3 moves a month, I keep it low stress and don't mind sitting out or in for a spell either. If you don't have the desire or want to play with it, then it's perfectly understandable if you don't want to keep it.
 
To me the low fees and nice G fund earnings when out of the market made good reasons to stay in! Allows low risk earnings for most of the year while allowing for a few trades when the market is right for it. As a retired participant the low risk feature is important. Just my two cents worth!
 
Most brokers pay money market rates when in "cash".

When I don't have a position in my Fidelity account, it automatically goes into "SPAXX" (Fidelity Government Money Market Fund.)

The 7-day yield currently pays 3.75% annualized. And it varies on interest rates so it's basically the G-fund.
 
Along those lines I need the wisdom of this crowd. I retired at 56 in 2023 after 35 years of ATC in the ATL (ZTL). I rolled most of my TSP over to a Schwab IRA with a Financial Manager and told them to grow it and let my kids fight over it when my wife and I are dead. I hope we never need it. I kept about 20% in the TSP account to "play" with. I've lost a lot of money over the years due to the 12:00 p.m. deadline and 2-trade limit. I also came across some incompetent people at the TSP when I was retiring and trying to move the money. Why would I keep the money in the TSP and not move it to a second IRA in a brokerage account to get out from under the TSP restrictions? To save me from myself? I wouldn't be doing much swing or any day trading with it because I'm not that good at this. Someone talk me down. It sure would be nice to wait until 3:50 p.m. to make my decisions though and be able to move the money as often as I want to keep up with market trends better even if it's just in the same index funds the TSP uses. I would still manage my son's TSP Account as he's Coast Guard and usually on a boat on the move somewhere. I just can't see a reason to stay in the TSP. Thanks for any wisdom you may want to share.
For those retiring on immediate pension at 55 or older, they can withdraw without worrying about 10% penalty. If you are not interested in withdrawing anything this doesn't matter. But once you reach 75, you will have to start withdrawing from TSP & IRAs which can have significant impact with taxes and the amount you pay for Medicare if you have large account balances either in TSP or outside. If you are married it can have similar impacts for surviving spouse with lower tax bracket and threshold,

There are certain protections for bankruptcy and lawsuits with keeping it in TSP. From AI:
Creditor and Bankruptcy Protections
  • Employer-Sponsored Plans (401(k), 403(b), Pensions): These are governed by the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA). Under federal law, they receive unlimited protection from creditors and bankruptcy proceedings in all 50 states. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Rollover IRAs: If you roll funds over from an ERISA-qualified plan (like a 401k) into a Rollover IRA, those assets retain unlimited protection in bankruptcy, provided they are kept in a separate account. [1]
  • Traditional and Roth IRAs: These receive federal bankruptcy protection up to a baseline cap (adjusted for inflation). Outside of bankruptcy, state laws dictate how immune your IRA is to creditor judgments, ranging from total immunity to no protection at all.
I'm not worried about either but TSP program is pretty simple and funds are diversified. There's an old saying "don't put all your eggs in one basket". With what happen during 2007-2009 with banks and brokerages I feel a little more secure keeping some of my funds in TSP. I've made several roll overs outside TSP and take monthly payments. TSP is my conservative account & I don't plan on closing my account any time soon. I will start drawing down more now that the FERS supplement will be ending and delay taking SSA until FRA or age 70.

After saving money for retirement for many years, it is meant to be used within person's life time. Depending on your beneficiaries' financial status, they could end up paying way more in taxes over 1-10 years after you die with traditional funds. Another option is to withdraw funds and invest what you don't need in a brokerage account so that beneficiaries gets stepped up value at lower capital gains rates. Leaving it in TSP or traditional IRAs shifts the tax burden to the beneficiary whether it is your spouse or your kids. I'm self insuring for Long Term Care by building up my Roth and if I don't need it my beneficiaries will get it tax free.
 
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