TRULY BAFFLING I FUND

[sugarandspice]

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Hard to understand how Japan can have a kick a$$ day and the U.S. is up and the I fund breaks even. Yeah I know the dollar got stronger blah blah blah but come on .Not even a penny. Please.

 

[Birchtree]

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Sugarandspice,

We know the I fund has a reasonable position in Japan (21%), but one has no idea what is actually in the portfolio for holdings. The Nikkie 225 has its own individual stock position-there may be some duplication with the I fund holdings. But I think the Nikkie reacts differently from what is in the I fund. And you have the time zone plays as well as the currency play. That's why so many folks try to trade the fund. I think one is better off just using it for accumulation and take a rest.

But currently I don't own it-I play with the more know entity, the C fund. I can at least somewhat pre-empt the trends because I know the percentages of the stock classes they own in the index. Good luck.

 

[Guest]

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EAFE was up .654

Japan was up 2.23 - 22%

UK was up .23 - 25%

Australia was up 1.35% - 5.1%

France was up .31% - 9.4%

etc etc and I fund up .00

Is this thing rigged? :shock:

 

[Guest]

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Birchtree wrote:

Sugarandspice,

We know the I fund has a reasonable position in Japan (21%), but one has no idea what is actually in the portfolio for holdings. The Nikkie 225 has its own individual stock position-there may be some duplication with the I fund holdings. But I think the Nikkie reacts differently from what is in the I fund. And you have the time zone plays as well as the currency play. That's why so many folks try to trade the fund. I think one is better off just using it for accumulation and take a rest.

But currently I don't own it-I play with the more know entity, the C fund. I can at least somewhat pre-empt the trends because I know the percentages of the stock classes they own in the index. Good luck.

The point is the benchmark was up .654%

EAFE. These are index funds, right?

 

[Guest]

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DMA wrote:

Is this thing rigged? :shock:

Sounds like it to me.

 

[Birchtree]

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Sugarandspice,

It is possible that the administrative staff may have taken their fees on a day when things should have been up. That way you don't miss what you didn't get. Nothing in this world is for free.

 

[Rod]

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Yeah, it's really funny.

Yesterday the Nikkei was up only 0.09% and the (I) gained .23

But today it was up 2.23% andnot ONEred cent.

I jumped in because I knew it was due for an increase. But I was off by one day.

I hate it when that happens. But at least I didn't lose anything.

God Bless:^

 

[Guest]

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It is an index fund and is being manuplicated by someone.

Should of paid .10.

That was why I got out of S because I do not like to be in the market on futures expiration.

Back to the drawing board - but if the game is rigged what is the point.

The index EAFE was up .654%.

?????

 

[Guest]

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Rod wrote:

Yeah, it's really funny.

Yesterday the Nikkei was up only 0.09% and the (I) gained .23

But today it was up 2.23% andnot ONEred cent.

I jumped in because I knew it was due for an increase. But I was off by one day.

I hate it when that happens. But at least I didn't lose anything.

God Bless:^

Yaa and I believe UK (25%) was DOWN .08% that day.

:shock:

 

[Guest]

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I am in stinkyG fund now.

Will I get the .01 tomorrow .

No.

 

[Guest]

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Someone should file a "freedom of information act" request against the TSP requesting they explain these irregularities.

 

[vectorman]

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Australia is off to a good start over seas. Japan looks like it will fight its way back up. Have faith the I fund is due. The S and C fund broke through the highs of last week. The I fund will soon follow.

http://www.allstocks.com/markets/World_Charts/Asian_Stock_Markets/asian_stock_markets.html

 

[Guest]

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USD is up .22 that will wipe out 9% of gain.



I have faith, I have faith that .10 xs a ton of shares was stolen today from me...and a bunch of other folks.

There ain't no way no how the I fund should of been flat after Japan was up over 2.23%.

USD would of needed to gone to the moon and back again before the USD wiped that out.......funny how it was .00. :shock:

 

[Mike]

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You'd do well to read the following:

From the TSP website:

Why doesn't the change in the I Fund share price always correspond to the EAFE Index which it tracks?

Participants have asked why, on some days, the change in the I Fund share price reported by the TSP does not match the change reported for the Morgan Stanley EAFE (Europe, Australasia, Far East) index, which the I Fund tracks. This happens when the Board's investment manager, Barclays Global Investors (BGI) reprices its EAFE Equity Index Fund, in which the TSP invests, after the close of the foreign markets. This process, known as "fair valuation," occurs when there are large U.S. market or currency movements between the time the foreign markets close and 4:00 p.m., eastern time, when BGI's share prices are determined. Fair valuation ensures that traders cannot "market time" the I Fund by making investment decisions based on the "stale" prices, thus diluting the returns of other participants who invest in the I Fund. Because the EAFE uses the foreign market closing prices to calculate its values, its price change will differ from the TSP's on those days.

 

[tsptalk]

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Mike wrote:

You'd do well to read the following:

... and this ... [url]http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/forum14/93.html[/url]

 

[Guest]

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I am not brainwashed.

21% of the fund was up 2.23% that day.

Another 25% was up .48.

Lots of money went somewhere.

:shock::shock:

There is no inflation.

Thanks for the propaganda. In a nice way.

 

[tsptalk]

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OK, someone at TSP is robbing you blind. Is that what you wanted tohear? :shock:

Oh, and we never went to the moon.

 

[Mike]

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If the I fund did exactly as the foreign markets do, we would be robbing other people blind because we would be able to cheat and trade the fund after the Japanese/Hong Kong markets have already closed for the day (plus the European markets would be several hours into their sessions).

This may or may not be the proper analogy, but the EAFE trading strikes me as the foreign market version of our own after hours trading (i.e. you can track the S&P futures market at 2 a.m. to get an idea of what the opening will look like for the S&P at 9:30 EST).

For a species that is supposedly more enlightened and knowledgeable, it's surprising and somewhat saddening to see a continued belief in conspiracies / superstitions.

If someone was rigging / robbing the TSP, there would be hell to pay, since this is also the retirement fund used by Congress. :shock:

 

[SkyPilot]

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I never hear anyone complaining when it looks like the I fund should have tanked, but due to a really weak dollar day, we make $. Goes both ways...

 

[Birchtree]

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Mike,

You certainly do have the critical eye approach-I like that. Now there may come a time in about 2 years from now when perhaps I may consider moving into the I fund on a more indepth basis. But if you don't mind I would like permission to solicit you opinion before I make that move. OK? I'm long the C fund until then. Regards,

Dennis