To Roll or Not to Roll

Thanks for responding! I take it your agency fully informed you as to your choices. Because the TSP site is just not that clear. It makes it sound like once you make a decision you are stuck with it, except changing the amount of monthly payment each January if you want to.

So, are you saying that if you make the choice to leave it in, you can withdraw whatever you want at any time?

For example, let's say you want $5,000 for a vacation - can you get it? At any time?

That's an important distinction that I need to know.

Then there are other considerations - can I make as much in the TSP as I could in a self-directed IRA? Probably! Even with our limited choices.

Another thing about leaving it in - still no fees for moving money around, right?

Thanks
GA

Ga, I'm glad you got info you needed before I got back - I didn't really get a lot from my agency but did a lot of digging to try to learn as much as possible because I thought, like many others apparently, you had to close your TSP when you retired. I had a lot on my plate at that time, & it was a great relief to know I could let it ride (& grow) & make critical decisions about how best to handle the TSP funds later. Each member's situation is different as the responses you got so clearly show but all the views offered help all of us, in our different ways! Thanks to everyone who contributes!

I'm wondering if anyone has more details on the newly added brochure on tsp.gov website about transfers from tsp to Roth IRA's after 12/31/07. The way I'm reading the fine print in footnote 3 is that beginning 1/1/08, you will be able to transfer TSP into a Roth IRA (Pension Protection Act, 2006).
 
Dont forget about inflation!! Count on at least 4% a year the way things are going now. That would leave you 8%.
Norman:D
A 12% p.a. return seems very optimistic given avg annl returns published at the TSP "Returns" page(s).
 
Ga, I'm glad you got info you needed before I got back - I didn't really get a lot from my agency but did a lot of digging to try to learn as much as possible because I thought, like many others apparently, you had to close your TSP when you retired. I had a lot on my plate at that time, & it was a great relief to know I could let it ride (& grow) & make critical decisions about how best to handle the TSP funds later. Each member's situation is different as the responses you got so clearly show but all the views offered help all of us, in our different ways! Thanks to everyone who contributes!

I'm wondering if anyone has more details on the newly added brochure on tsp.gov website about transfers from tsp to Roth IRA's after 12/31/07. The way I'm reading the fine print in footnote 3 is that beginning 1/1/08, you will be able to transfer TSP into a Roth IRA (Pension Protection Act, 2006).
Be carefull! I don't know the conversion details (tax wise) but it seems to me everything Rolled to Roth (R-R) would be immediately taxable. So why would anyone want to do this?
 
I plan to use my TSP to supplement to my retirement income. I plan to have fixed monthly payments withdrawn from TSP. This will allow my retirement monthly income to match or exceed my fed monthly income after retirement. But at the same time, my TSP account balance will grow since the amount withdrawn doesn’t exceed my avgerage TSP account interest earned. A conservative figure would be 5 to 8 percent.

The TSP also allows you to adjust the monthly amount annually, so if your account balance is growing a lot faster in retirement than the amount withdrawn, you can adjust it up or down as needed. I have been maxed out in contributions to the TSP since it started. This makes retirement an easy option when I become eligible in 2013. Good luck with your TSP investing plan!:cool:

Who thinks, and why:

1. Better to leave balance in TSP, and elect monthly WD, and continue to manage the account among the funds according to your taste for risk.

2. Better to roll to a self-directed IRA, and select high dividend paying stocks, along with some safe funds.

Thanks
GA
 
After listening to everyone and doing the little bit of reading, I am tempted to do a split scenario.

Leave enough in the tsp to generate enough earnings to get the amount of monthly payment I want, then put the rest in a self-directed IRA, some of which would be in safe funds and some in high dividend yield stock, and readily available in case of any emergency.

Thanks
GA
 
Who thinks, and why:

1. Better to leave balance in TSP, and elect monthly WD, and continue to manage the account among the funds according to your taste for risk.

2. Better to roll to a self-directed IRA, and select high dividend paying stocks, along with some safe funds.

Thanks
GA
That's a tough question. I'm eligible to retire in 15 months and leaning to keep funds in TSP, at least for a while, because:

1) Low administrative expenses, and
2) Security (perceived)
3) Less choices will reduce (my) temptation to trade more with other investment vehicles which may be more risky (e.g., stocks, actively managed mutual funds, etc.)

Ed
 
The limitation of only being able to readjust your monthly/yearly amount once a year is going to have to be revised. We should be able to adjust the amount anytime we feel it NECESSARY!

This is just more unnessary govt. regulation and control, and is similar in nature to having to wait 6 months, after you pay off a TSP loan, before you can get another loan....WHY!!!

It is our freaking money BTW!!! Who are they to limit OUR access to OUR money, inparticular after we retire.

Two more years and they can't go by fast enough for me!
 
anybody knows the age required for moving TSP money out to IRA account? ..and so many abbreviations JMHO,FIWI. in MB,then CRB what do they stand for?...CRB is used to monitor what aspect of the market? Thank you
 
CRB = Commodity Research Bureau. Monitor it for raw material costs to gauge inflation and price pass throughs. A reason to buy materials stocks.
 
A_G,

I've been operating under that plan for over a year, it works great!

If you perfer to manage your account thats the way to go!
If you want your account on autopilot there are the L-funds.
I just have an objection to the high expense ratios by other firms and or the non ability to move funds to a better position.

Spaf


I plan to use my TSP to supplement to my retirement income. I plan to have fixed monthly payments withdrawn from TSP. This will allow my retirement monthly income to match or exceed my fed monthly income after retirement. But at the same time, my TSP account balance will grow since the amount withdrawn doesn’t exceed my avgerage TSP account interest earned. A conservative figure would be 5 to 8 percent.

The TSP also allows you to adjust the monthly amount annually, so if your account balance is growing a lot faster in retirement than the amount withdrawn, you can adjust it up or down as needed. I have been maxed out in contributions to the TSP since it started. This makes retirement an easy option when I become eligible in 2013. Good luck with your TSP investing plan!:cool:
 
I will roll into an IRA account traditional and will trade the EFA which follow the I-Fund ;)
 
Hello Spaf,

Once we retire, aren't we supposed to be more in CP mode? Little risk? So I was thinking, self-directed IRA, spread among some safe MM funds, some proven investment funds, and some high dividend yield stocks.

Maybe I'll do as suggested, and leave some in TSP.

I have an inherited progressive eye disease.....in a few years I will be legally blind. It might be hard to keep up.
I might not even get to work to retirement age. In fact, it is doubtful.

GA


I am still new to management of money. I am 40 with 20 YOS. Have another 16.5 for my MRA. I like the diversity you speak of here. I am thinking of rolling 25% into what you speak of for quick money when/if needed and leave the rest in the TSP under active management. Taking an addditional 5% as my retirement gift to myself. That leaves me 70% left in the TSP. (To actively day trade in the I fund muhahahahahaha!!! :laugh:)

I am thinking of following the rate of return from the previous 3 years as my yearly deduction. Lets say I retire at age 55. I would then elect to take my withdraw based on my return for when I was age 52. The next year I would adjust to use my returns for age 53 and so on... This way I know what my yearly allowances will be and I can forecast what I need the next year. Is it a boom or bust year? I can also see what the current year provided me. I might just take a running average of the previous three years and adjust each year.

This way I am only taking what I earned minus inflation.

Income chances:
TSP
Supp Social Security
FERS
Nation Guard (Age 60 hoping for age 55)
Social Security
Roth IRA (Hopefully this year start)


Just have to find a way to maximize it all.
 
To all of you good people, one of our members, suggested that I should post for your consideration and advise, a request that i posted in other threads. Thank you in advance for your ideas and suggestions

COPY:

"James,
I am copying the same request in your thread due to pressing circumstances. Thank you.

Re: Show-me Account Talk

Show,
Please excuse my invasion of your thread for a request that I have to make to all my friends in the message boards at TSPtalk. I am making this appeal here because you are highly respected and your thread is widely read.

Some good friends with whom I have corresponded with through the years have tried to help me, but they have their own problems and their own limitations. I always have been a very discreet and very private person, but the circumstances that are weighing on me have dictated that I open up a bit of my personal life in order to seek wider advise from other colleagues here at TSPtalk.com.

I would have thought that certain events should be treated with flexibility, and that a supervisor at TSP.gov should be able to use some discretion in order to deal with exceptional problems with a sense of fairness and understanding. We shall see!

My problem below is self-explanatory. I need your good minds to help. Thank you in advance all!

To all members at TSPtalk:

Please treat this as a true personal emergency. I am asking for your help urgently. Since you have helped me in the past, I trust that you might help me find a solution to this problem.

In January 2008, I had to face some debts and other personal financial obligations. At that time I was in confusion, and it was all quite hectic. Due to the fact that my maximum loan amount was capped at around 40,000, and I needed in excess of $100,000, in the stressful confusion, I decided to do what I believed was the correct thing to do. I took $125,000 dollars, knowing that they would retain 20% witholding for tax purposes. I received the $100,000 dollars and was able to meet all of my existing obligations. My wife and I were able to breathe normally after I cleared the debts.

It was never my intention to preclude myself from using the provisions of an aged-based roll-over IRA after age 59 1/2. I sincerely believed (and still believed until today) when I called the TSP toll-free number at (877) 968-3778 that the witholding penalty withdrawal was different and separate action which was governed by different regulatory provisions. In my predicament and stress in January, it never occurred to me that TSP thrift would prevent me from doing a roll-over IRA. Today, a representative by the name of Kimberly told me that the application that I filed for a roll-over IRA on March 19, 2008, is being denied for the reasons I just explained above.

In my good faith I opened an account at the Orlando, Florida branch. It was from that office that the manager faxed the application with their help and with the required information. I have been very excited and looking for the transfer and to manage my IRA.

This morning (yesterday) I asked Ms. Kimberly at TSP to let me talk to a supervisor, but she left me waiting a long time until she finaly told me that a supervisor would call me in up to 48 hours. Please help me reach someone that may be understanding of my true intention under stress. Your suggestions are highly valued!
 
airlift, I hope someone has been of help to you in your matter above since April. I know I don't know anything to be of help.

In keeping with the thread title I thought I'd ask if the recent Congressional initiatives are driving members who planned to keep their TSP accounts in retirement, vice rollover to an IRA, to reconsider that.

The fedsmith column this month discussed a resumption of the 2007 initiative about avoiding companies not meeting some moral test but also added a new twist---changing the way the TSP is managed to include minority financial advisors on some portion of it.
 
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