The Monkey Bar

Sobering thought...seems we have some similarities today....wonder what the numbers will be in these areas in the next year?




Effects of the Great Depression
  • 13 million people became unemployed.
  • Industrial production fell by nearly 45% between the years 1929 and 1932.
  • Home-building dropped by 80% between the years 1929 and 1932.
  • From the years 1929 to 1932, about 5000 banks went out of business.

Stock Market Crash of 29.
The crash followed a Speculative boom that had taken hold in the late 1920s, which had led hundreds of thousands of Americans to invest heavily in the stock market, a significant number even borrowing to buy more stock. By August 1929, brokers were routinely lending small investors more than 2/3 of the face value of the stocks they were buying. Over $8.5 billion was out on loan, more than the entire amount of currency circulating in the U.S The rising share prices encouraged more people to invest; people hoped the share prices would rise further. Speculation thus fueled further rises and created an economic bubble. The average P/E (price to earnings) ratio of S&P Composite stocks was 32.6 in September 1929, clearly above historical norms. Most economists view this event as the most dramatic in modern economic history. On 10/29/29 (with the Dow just past its 9/3/29 peak of 381.17), the market finally turned down, and panic selling started. 12,894,650 shares were traded in a single day as people desperately tried to mitigate the situation. This mass sale is often considered a major contributing factor to the Great Depression. Some hold that political over-reactions to the crash, such as the passage of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act through the US Congress, caused more harm than the crash itself. According to "Thomas K. McCraw, a professor at the Harvard Business School," the -Hawley Tariff Act "...exacerbated the problem by preventing Europeans from selling enough goods in the United States to earn enough dollars to pay off their debts from WWI.

The main question is: Did the "'29 Crash spark The Depression or did it merely coincide with the bursting of a credit-inspired economic bubble? The decline in stock prices caused bankruptcies and severe macroeconomic difficulties including business closures, firing of workers and other economic repression measures. The resultant rise of mass unemployment and the depression is seen as a direct result of the crash, though it is by no means the sole event that contributed to the depression; it is usually seen as having the greatest impact on the events that followed. Therefore the Wall Street Crash is widely regarded as signaling the downward economic slide that initiated the Great Depression

So How does this coincide with the lack of buying power Americans experience today?

Lack of purchase power...... leads to lack of sales, lack of need to produce product, loss of employment.

Response, reduce costs to produce....tied to energy....raises costs to produce, reduce interest rates (done), reduce corporate costs/profits, basically, jump to lower levels in most aspects to insure the future.

Or it could be 20-30 years before a full recovery comes again.
 
U know its rather alarming if you think about it....how much do you pay for services food gas mortage and so forth percentage wise from your monthly income......then add in the cost to you what government services cost you percentage wise of your monthly income.....if you put it in excel, do a pie chart...... its stifling how much the govt taxes you monthly on income, sales, and so forth.

I see our inventive taxing maching has done it again...they want to tax belching cows.....well tax my assssss too.

What next....tax this and that does nothing but add costs to your monthly income.....I know if they continue down this road with the other high costs and no rise in income, the country will surely decline into a "GREATER DEPRESSION".
 
U know its rather alarming if you think about it....how much do you pay for services food gas mortage and so forth percentage wise from your monthly income......then add in the cost to you what government services cost you percentage wise of your monthly income.....if you put it in excel, do a pie chart...... its stifling how much the govt taxes you monthly on income, sales, and so forth.

I see our inventive taxing maching has done it again...they want to tax belching cows.....well tax my assssss too.

What next....tax this and that does nothing but add costs to your monthly income.....I know if they continue down this road with the other high costs and no rise in income, the country will surely decline into a "GREATER DEPRESSION".
I see our great leader of NY is proposing more taxes.....let's see, people already don't have enough to pay mortgages and so forth, let's make it even more expensive to live ./.....so that we, the state can continue to run up the bill!!!

Common sense says...drop the expenses to solve the state problems.;)

Could this be the coming trend this year. This is a good lesson for all of us.:worried:

More Monkey business as I see it.:nuts:
 
I see our great leader of NY is proposing more taxes.....let's see, people already don't
More Monkey business as I see it.:nuts:

Look at the news....the IMF has put a DEPRESSION warning out....if domestic buying doesn't improve....

let's see, keep employess wages down for the last 15 or so years, raise profits by raising prices, raises stock market.....uhhhh, that's taking all the money from the employees and putting it in the corporate pocket....then as CEO's declare corporate bankruptcy and take retirement with money, ask the masses to finance it (govt financed, employees essentially) and then leave town with all the money????Could I be wrong???:blink:

Sounds lilke the wild wild west don't it.

Merry Christmas. :) It might be your last merry one for a while.:worried:
 
Look at the news....the IMF has put a DEPRESSION warning out....if domestic buying doesn't improve....

let's see, keep employess wages down for the last 15 or so years, raise profits by raising prices, raises stock market.....uhhhh, that's taking all the money from the employees and putting it in the corporate pocket....then as CEO's declare corporate bankruptcy and take retirement with money, ask the masses to finance it (govt financed, employees essentially) and then leave town with all the money????Could I be wrong???:blink:

Sounds lilke the wild wild west don't it.

Merry Christmas. :) It might be your last merry one for a while.:worried:

Ahhh yes, Happy New Year....2008 was trashed!

Something to look for this year....

1) Notice if your govt is going to try to reduce govt services costs to you the customer/taxpayer....we all know how much more govt cost us verses our other human services in the public sector.. If there is not a reduction in costs....expect a slooooow recovery if any.....maybe we should grade our politicians for their reduction of costs performance before the next election.

2) Keep your eye out for corporate profit reduction.....I'm expecting higher prices for everyday items....to continue....when profits are hard to get...no sales.....then we will see the entities try harder to get you to buy....they still haven't realized that the consumer is cash poor....but the profitting corps of the past 15 years are cash rich.....the further they fail to realize how cash poor the consumer is .....the longer the recovery.....

3) See our politicians orient to the US consumer, u know the voters who put them thar......yeah u the tax payer......I wonder where they have been for the last 20 years....loooking somewhere else I'm sure....

Carnac
 
Ahhh yes, Happy New Year....2008 was trashed!

Something to look for this year....

1) Notice if your govt is going to try to reduce govt services costs to you the customer/taxpayer....we all know how much more govt cost us verses our other human services in the public sector.. If there is not a reduction in costs....expect a slooooow recovery if any.....maybe we should grade our politicians for their reduction of costs performance before the next election.

2) Keep your eye out for corporate profit reduction.....I'm expecting higher prices for everyday items....to continue....when profits are hard to get...no sales.....then we will see the entities try harder to get you to buy....they still haven't realized that the consumer is cash poor....but the profitting corps of the past 15 years are cash rich.....the further they fail to realize how cash poor the consumer is .....the longer the recovery.....

3) See our politicians orient to the US consumer, u know the voters who put them thar......yeah u the tax payer......I wonder where they have been for the last 20 years....loooking somewhere else I'm sure....

Carnac

An honest profit…..It’s inevitable…
Consequences to the past profit bubbles in retail, housing, energy, .com, and so forth are always there to deal with. How do you think the past PROFITS get made….they come from somewhere and they are forward in payment by nature. This where future economics suffer from and there are consequences.
The cash poor consumer/taxpayer in combination with the expensive govt services costs, you have a long term problem….world wide. Here Supply and Demand has been more like “supply and get what you can” is the guilty party here….it promotes an economic condition like today. A day of an honest profit will be upon us due to the consequences of S&D. So it’s inevitable…..honest profits and low govt services costs are the key phrases of the day and they are key to a rapid turnaround of current worldwide economics.

Carnac
 
Ahhh yes, Happy New Year....2008 was trashed!

Something to look for this year....

1) Notice if your govt is going to try to reduce govt services costs to you the customer/taxpayer....we all know how much more govt cost us verses our other human services in the public sector.. If there is not a reduction in costs....expect a slooooow recovery if any.....maybe we should grade our politicians for their reduction of costs performance before the next election.

2) Keep your eye out for corporate profit reduction.....I'm expecting higher prices for everyday items....to continue....when profits are hard to get...no sales.....then we will see the entities try harder to get you to buy....they still haven't realized that the consumer is cash poor....but the profitting corps of the past 15 years are cash rich.....the further they fail to realize how cash poor the consumer is .....the longer the recovery.....

3) See our politicians orient to the US consumer, u know the voters who put them thar......yeah u the tax payer......I wonder where they have been for the last 20 years....loooking somewhere else I'm sure....

Carnac
todays news rule no 1 is broken already....govt is not going to reduce costs ...just increase more deficit and continue to run up costs.....something about history is being ignored here.....
 
Possibly The Constitution of the United States ?
The messiah said......

"I don't believe it's too late to change course, but it will be if we don't take dramatic action as soon as possible," he said Thursday.
"If nothing is done, this recession could linger," Obama warned. "The unemployment rate could reach double digits."

Dramatic action is needed....ONly problem will be if the dramatic action will be a wrong turn.....maybe he should turn the other way....I'll bet he'll turn the wrong way with greater than 90% odds....

Wanna Bet me???;)

U know, taxing and spending got us here to this point....its basically coming down to this, there is a bunch that wants your hard earned money in their pockets that use the govt taxation plans to get it.....what makes you think doing more of the same will be the answer??

Govt needs handcuffs on how much they can tax....its a runaway train...and if the wrong turn is made at this point....You will definitely see how runaway it has gotten...:worried:

Duhhhh
 
Ahhh yes, Happy New Year....2008 was trashed!

Something to look for this year....

1) Notice if your govt is going to try to reduce govt services costs to you the customer/taxpayer....we all know how much more govt cost us verses our other human services in the public sector.. If there is not a reduction in costs....expect a slooooow recovery if any.....maybe we should grade our politicians for their reduction of costs performance before the next election.

2) Keep your eye out for corporate profit reduction.....I'm expecting higher prices for everyday items....to continue....when profits are hard to get...no sales.....then we will see the entities try harder to get you to buy....they still haven't realized that the consumer is cash poor....but the profitting corps of the past 15 years are cash rich.....the further they fail to realize how cash poor the consumer is .....the longer the recovery.....

3) See our politicians orient to the US consumer, u know the voters who put them thar......yeah u the tax payer......I wonder where they have been for the last 20 years....loooking somewhere else I'm sure....

Carnac
Which one of these 3 Carnac Requirements for recovery is being satisfied so far this past week??? I see a trend and its not good.

If you earned it, you won't be able to claim it yours, someone else is going to get the benefit of your hard work.

Carnac
 
Which one of these 3 Carnac Requirements for recovery is being satisfied so far this past week??? I see a trend and its not good.

If you earned it, you won't be able to claim it yours, someone else is going to get the benefit of your hard work.

Carnac
A good economic lesson.

These days do have a benefit to the average Joe. It makes you understand the power of the purse....70% of the economic engine is the consumer spending.

If you feel like you're not being represented properly, taxed too much, suffering consumer abuse....you have a choice.....spend or don't spend.

I think that spending away is not a good thing for the consumer, save what you can....but that is a matter of perspective.

Carnac
 
My Lord, I went back and read some of my last couple of pages of posts (back to 12/2008) and how true they came......

Uhhhhhh!

There is nothing like watching ostriches stick their heads in the sand.
 
Did you hear the one about the sports reporter asking Tiger his thoughts about him no longer being in the Top 10 anymore. His answer was, “I’m not sure about that, I promise I’ll make a hole-in-one by tomorrow, that should take care of it!”:notrust:
 
I usually drink Shirley Temples when I'm out and about with the wife - most of the times the wait staff just chuckle. My son in law's father, a recently retired full bird, said he has to admire any man that dares to order one of those - much less drink it.
 
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