The Flu Vaccine Exposed

Intrepid_Timer said:
Did he say 55 or 25? :laugh:


Oops, sorry, back to my night job.............Hello, welcome to Walmart...............
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You win, you're older so you must be wiser
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Your LAME attempt(s) (to coin a phrase of yours)..at being sarcastic or patronizing is not your strong suit either...oh wait, I should take offense..that would be age discrimination...now run along and go back to what you were posting on facebook little boy...(giggle)..:rolleyes:

If you didn't contradict yourself every other sentence, you could be somewhat credible someday....
 
Intrepid_Timer said:
I said I have other work to do, but just to ease your mind a bit, I was busy typing a post while you were posting your lame attempt to belittle me. ;)

I never said I wouldn't take a shot to help cure an illness? Of course I'd take a rabies shot if I was bitten by a rabid animal. Hello? I just don't take vaccines are that are unnecessary. Would you take the rabies vaccine if you didn't have rabies? Be my guest, I hear they are lots of fun.................:rolleyes:
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Be little you?..You must be insecure of what you say to think that I was trying to belittle you..

I didn't say you had rabies the moment you were bitten (incubation period again of approx 14 days..Hello!).. ..so taking the vaccine series is to PREVENT the illness once you have been bitten..Hello!..

So dying of acute pneumonia because the flu virus has run to that level of intensity is not necessary to prevent?..:rolleyes:..whew....Maybe it's best you don't ever take a vaccine...we need the gene pool to thin down a little.




Working night shift hmm..must be that your unwillingness to accept things has put you out of the mainstream of a normal day job...things are adding up..

like you said..

Goodbye and Good night..
 
Buster said:
You obviously didn't deny the first part of that post, so I'll assume you'd take your chances with the rabies virus coursing through your spinal fluids in 14 days, but you did select this part to comment on... No of course not..not intended to offend..but offering you a chance to look into a religion that would seem to fit your beliefs on medicine..
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I said I have other work to do, but just to ease your mind a bit, I was busy typing a post while you were posting your lame attempt to belittle me. ;)

I never said I wouldn't take a shot to help cure an illness? Of course I'd take a rabies shot if I was bitten by a rabid animal. Hello? I just don't take vaccines are that are unnecessary. Would you take the rabies vaccine if you didn't have rabies? Be my guest, I hear they are lots of fun.................:rolleyes:
 
Intrepid_Timer said:
I"m not sure what you are trying to say? Should I be offended? I"m not.

Good bye and God bless. :)
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You obviously didn't deny the first part of that post, so I'll assume you'd take your chances with the rabies virus coursing through your spinal fluids in 14 days, but you did select this part to comment on... No of course not..not intended to offend..but offering you a chance to look into a religion that would seem to fit your beliefs on medicine..
 
No assumptions. First hand experience working on meningococcal and smallpox vaccine studies. You'll probably be happy to read this paper from my previous life: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19028201

And you didn't get all the shots at USAMRIID in one shot, like in basic training. I don't think you'd want Yellow Fever, Rift Valley Fever, Anthrax and whatever else all at once....................;)

Wasn't referring to the the administers, was referring to the techs who make the vaccine..................and even the pharmaceutical companies themselves.

Ok, back to my present job....................

You win, you're older so you must be wiser...............:p
 
Buster said "Longivity is a genitic thing...good luck with yours."

I've reached mine and continuing on. Partly because I get my flu shots each year.:D
 
So, In conclusion, base on;

Causing immune suppression against endless pathogens everyday for months in order to have temporary immunity against one disease is not something I care to do.
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If you were to be bitten by a rabid animal..you would NOT take the rabies vaccine...hmmmm...I think Louis Pasteur would roll over in his grave..:suspicious:

Check this out..maybe something more your style... http://christianscience.com/
 
Intrepid_Timer said:
Toraldo, et al found that the chemotaxis and metabolic function of PMNs (polymorphonuclear neutrophils) was significantly reduced after vaccinations were given and did not return to normal for months.

Causing immune suppression against endless pathogens everyday for months in order to have temporary immunity against one disease is not something I care to do.

To make vaccines, viruses are typically sonicated and/or freeze-thawed multiple times in order to kill the virus before it is injected into a person to cause immunity. Everyone time you take one of these vaccines, you are at risk of the technician doing his job properly. Ever hear anyone say they got the flu some after vaccination?

From my own personal experience, I worked at USAMRIID while I was in the military and it was "recommended" that you take a battery of vaccinations because of the "hot" BL-4 suites we had to work in. I refused after taking one, yellow fever, because I was concerned about long term risks of multiple vaccinations. This ultimately lead to me only doing 7 years. When you get labeled a "non-team player", you pretty much get lost in the shuffle.

Several years later while working as a researcher at the National Cancer Institute, I had the displeasure of seeing several former friends and colleagues on our cancer trials while doing rounds at the hospital. They all had one major thing in common, multiple vaccines while working at USAMRIID. The chief was actually surprised to hear this when I mentioned it to him........

5 or 6 years ago, I received a health questionnaire from the Army regarding working at USAMRIID. I have not heard any results from this, nor do I expect to.....................

Just a personal choice to me based on what I know and my experiences. If a friend or family member wants my opinion, I'll tell them. Ultimately it's their own choice though. Hopefully my past indiscretions won't catch up with me until much later in life.....................:)
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I hear ya and appreciate your experiences..I can rebut most of your hypothesis with simple common sense though..and not mass hysteria

But what the hell?..Toraldo?....One ambiguous case study does not make it gospel..sorry

1. You say "typically" when rendering a serum vaccine..okay some vaccines are made that way, like Anthrax, Rabies, Small pox, etc.. and some are not..I don't know and your assumption leads me to believe you do not know either that the Influenza Virus vaccine is made that way..

2. Multiple vaccinations while in the military are just that; many different types of anti-pathogenic compounds all at once..stands to reason the body's immune system would go into overload and burn out to the common cold..or even cancers ..But that is multiple combinations of virulent vaccines all at once..Influenza although a mixture of all the regional strain variations, still is one influenza of the same pathogenic family..so the immune system is not overloaded or compromised..but in fact enhanced and strengthened..People as I said before, claim they get the flu soon after getting the shot..I say impossible and thousands of doctors and medical experts say impossible...but more of a coincidence that they were coming down with the viral infection anyway at the same time they got the shot..If the Vaccine did induced flu or flu like symptoms, it would have to be after the incubation period of 5 to 7 days...the people claiming to get sick from the shot occur only a day or two later..too soon for the injected vaccine to act that quickly, even if it where possible....BTW, Short of a staph infected nurse or tech..How does one give the shot improperly?..and even if it was done improperly, how does that induce the flu?..that one still has me scratching my polio vaccine scar.


Course like you, it's just my opinion based on 55 years of being on this planet.
 
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Buster said:
Fever may knock down supposid hidden pathogens as you say..I myself don't believe that..but Fever is also VERY harmful to healthy tissues too..Brain tissue, Heart tissue, Liver tissues..you name it..But as I'm sure you also know the Flu anti-virus serum is a de-fanged version of the real thing and it stimulates the body's immune system to generate the necessary antibodies to fight the real thing when it does invade...Kinda like practice war games before the real battle begins..


Longivity is a genitic thing...good luck with yours.
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Toraldo, et al found that the chemotaxis and metabolic function of PMNs (polymorphonuclear neutrophils) was significantly reduced after vaccinations were given and did not return to normal for months.

Causing immune suppression against endless pathogens everyday for months in order to have temporary immunity against one disease is not something I care to do.

To make vaccines, viruses are typically sonicated and/or freeze-thawed multiple times in order to kill the virus before it is injected into a person to cause immunity. Everyone time you take one of these vaccines, you are at risk of the technician doing his job properly. Ever hear anyone say they got the flu some after vaccination?

From my own personal experience, I worked at USAMRIID while I was in the military and it was "recommended" that you take a battery of vaccinations because of the "hot" BL-4 suites we had to work in. I refused after taking one, yellow fever, because I was concerned about long term risks of multiple vaccinations. This ultimately lead to me only doing 7 years. When you get labeled a "non-team player", you pretty much get lost in the shuffle.

Several years later while working as a researcher at the National Cancer Institute, I had the displeasure of seeing several former friends and colleagues on our cancer trials while doing rounds at the hospital. They all had one major thing in common, multiple vaccines while working at USAMRIID. The chief was actually surprised to hear this when I mentioned it to him........

5 or 6 years ago, I received a health questionnaire from the Army regarding working at USAMRIID. I have not heard any results from this, nor do I expect to.....................

Just a personal choice to me based on what I know and my experiences. If a friend or family member wants my opinion, I'll tell them. Ultimately it's their own choice though. Hopefully my past indiscretions won't catch up with me until much later in life.....................:)
 
HUH!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!!?!?!??!
I remember my grandma sayin that my GREAT grandma used ta swallow a "pinch" of snuff or some call it chewin tabacco every night before bed and she lived to like 90 something years of age. I don't believe THAT had anything to do with it personally, but I did find out cuz of that conversation that originally snuff was....well.... sniffed..er I mean inhaled through the nose...WOW! I have since decided to make that one of those things I must try one day (on my to do list ya might say). But as far as health goes, I "NEVER" get sick (havn't called into work in 5 years, I have like 700 sick hours i'm gonna unleash toward my retirement in 2014) BUT, my mom made me take golden seal pills everyday (with a huge glass of orange juice) when I was a boy and she swears thats why I never got/get sick ...hmmmmm

I will say this on a side note. I have a cousin who when we were little kids (her mom was a health NUT) would have to take like 3 spoons of powder, 3 spoons of liquids, and like 3 spoons of granuals (her mom laid all 9 spoons out on the table and she would go down the line, gulp,gulp,gulp,gulp) And TODAY!?.....She is ALWAYS SICK!!!!!! I think people sometimes in their fanatisism go over board with this stuff and what they think is gonna help them in the future actually hurts them. I was a VERY active child (played in the woods, running jumping shooting hunting, loved sports etc etc etc, she on the other hand was a pampered spoiled brat who stayed indoors and was always pale because she never saw daylight.) So bottom line. A little common sense and ALOT of good ol fashion excercise along with eating a healthy meal every night for supper will keep you in good shape... -Fishegg-
 
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Buster said:
Being I'm Diabetic and had gotten the pig flu last year..I got this year's shot happily....Now I'm watching folks around me at the workplace dropping like flies with the flu, cuz they didn't get their annual shot..Some say when they've gotten the shot, they end up getting the flu..experts say that's impossible..so I'm going with the medical experts...some call them doctors.:cool:
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Intrepid_Timer said:
Good luck with that. In my previous life I tested the efficacy of vaccinations. I don't get flu shots and welcome the flu. I believe the body needs to get an occasional fever in order to fight off any other underlying pathogens or diseases. Just my opinion though. My grandparents lived into their 90's by this theory, so I'll go with experience over medical experts..............;)
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Fever may knock down supposid hidden pathogens as you say..I myself don't believe that..but Fever is also VERY harmful to healthy tissues too..Brain tissue, Heart tissue, Liver tissues..you name it..But as I'm sure you also know the Flu anti-virus serum is a de-fanged version of the real thing and it stimulates the body's immune system to generate the necessary antibodies to fight the real thing when it does invade...Kinda like practice war games before the real battle begins..


Longivity is a genitic thing...good luck with yours.
 
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