The Dow Theory, What stage?

vectorman

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For those who follow the Dow Theory, What stage do you think we are in?

Primary Bull Market - Stage 2 - Big Move
The second stage of a primary bull market is usually the longest, and sees the largest advance in prices. It is a period marked by improving business conditions and increased valuations in stocks. Earnings begin to rise again and confidence starts to mend. This is considered the easiest stage to make money as participation is broad and the trend followers begin to participate.

Primary Bull Market - Stage 3 - Excess The third stage of a primary bull market is marked by excessive speculation and the appearance of inflationary pressures. (Dow formed these theorems about 100 years ago, but this scenario is certainly familiar.) During the third and final stage, the public is fully involved in the market, valuations are excessive and confidence is extraordinarily high. This is the mirror image to the first stage of the bull market. A Wall Street axiom: When the taxi cab drivers begin to offer tips, the top cannot be far off.

Primary Bear Market - Stage 1 - Distribution
Just as accumulation is the hallmark of the first stage of a primary bull market, distribution marks the beginning of a bear market. As the "smart money" begins to realize that business conditions are not quite as good as once thought, they start to sell stocks. The public is still involved in the market at this stage and become willing buyers. There is little in the headlines to indicate a bear market is at hand and general business conditions remain good. However, stocks begin to lose a bit of their luster and the decline begins to take hold.

While the market declines, there is little belief that a bear market has started and most forecasters remain bullish. After a moderate decline, there is a reaction rally (secondary move) that retraces a portion of the decline. Hamilton noted that reaction rallies during bear markets were quite swift and sharp. As with his analysis of secondary moves in general, Hamilton noted that a large percentage of the losses would be recouped in a matter of days or perhaps weeks. This quick and sudden movement would invigorate the bulls to proclaim the bull market alive and well. However, the reaction high of the secondary move would form and be lower than the previous high. After making a lower high, a break below the previous low would confirm that this was the second stage of a bear market.
 
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Stage 2 - waiting on DJIA of 10,940 and DTA of 3872. August may be a lot like july and catch many unaware that the stealth bull is lose. The April lows were 10,012 and 3379 - we are well away from those levels. Although we did have a bullish primary trend buy signal on March 4th - right before the 900 point banger. When the March highs are surpassed the bullish primary trend would be reconfirmed. Then on to Dow 11,723 for the all time high.
 
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Some news reports say so long as the world economies are in growth mode, the price of a barrel of oil will increase as well.

Some say so long as there is no recession, demand for oil will increase as well. And so will its price. And the Fed is more concerned about inflation than recession.

So, as economies go, so goes the cost of a barrel of crude.

Dependable supplies are the key: is Iran a dependable supplier? Are supplies dependable in Venezuela? Chavez there knows the more he shoots his mouth the more he affects the markets the more revenue his country gets from American consumers.

I see volitility ahead.
 
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"I recognize that I may be wrong. This makes me insecure.
My sense of insecurity keeps me alert, always ready to correct my errors."
"The prevailing wisdom is that markets are always right,
I take the opposite position. I assume that markets are always wrong."
George Soros

from what little i know about elliot, bradley, stocastics, betas, and ta in general...all i can say is this year is not in tune with normal stock trends given the price of oil, rising debt and rates.

do feel we are following the 1929-1940 dow pretty much 2 a tee.



tekno
 
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Where are we?

I got to go with stage 2, mainly due the economy. The steam engine is a running and we got a load of coal to burn. That is what Wonder Woman has been tracking in the economic forum.

Folks are scared of the price of oil. But we are paying it, even if it is a fuel surcharge at the airlines. I don't see anyone buying smaller boats, or parking there Hummers.

I gotta agree with Quips. And, I got to agree with Birch. Put both of their views together and poesto :i. I do disagree with Birch on the point of confirmation. However, we can live with that.

Oil is going to be a problem, it ain't going away, just going to learn how to deal with it. besides if it wasen't oil it would be something else.

Tom, I just don't feel we are at the end, the DOW 3 or Elliot 5. This ain't the Santa Clause advance of late last year. This primary bullish movement is tied to the economic conditions.

My 2 cents, rgds, and be careful! :) Spaf

PS Did I just hear Tekno volunteer to be the group bubble outlook? ;)
 
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Personally, and this will sound like I'm from right field position, I believe we have already started a secular bull market that will last many many years. Just like the last one. It has never happened in history yet - but now may be the time. Those triple bottoms were terrible - more pain than could be justified. Elliot wave says back to Dow 7000. Birchtree says something crazy like Dow 17000. We are susposedly in a cyclical bear market currently that won't end until 2017. I got my money where my

mouth is - and if some G folks would give me a loan I'd go 800% long. What I meant to say was that we have never had back to back secular bull markets.
 
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Where are we? continued.

You look at the daily charts, and they can drive you crazy. You feel like a dog chasing it's tail!

You look at the weekly charts and you worry if the trend will continue, and where the change is at?

So lets stop and look at the big picture: 5 years!

Yes, I'm conservative. Why! I'm there, and retiring in 11 months
Yes, I'm bullish on the long side, because it's rising.
Yes, I moderately invest, to protect funds.
But, that's me.

Attachment: The Big Picture; S&P 500
 
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Well what I see is the marketis not directly worried about the economy as much as they are wondering if the players in the market can make a buck ....no matter if the economy is great or not, and this one isn't being supported with energy and interest rates increases.......the thing the market really looks at is ....is there money in it...under these pretenses....we're in stage 3-1....:^

its not the economy, its the profits that can be made from the economy news....;)

And I believe it fits the stage 5 Elliott.....for a period beginning from 2002...

:dude:
 
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Nice graph illustration from Spaf. I see the same trend myself longterm.

Longterm view is that the oil economy will not out perform the national economy. We didn't invade Iraq just for charitable motives.

DMA did point out the oil economy did outperform the national economy in the 1970's. For sure it did.

But that could happen only if we lost Venezuelian and Iranian supplies. American refineries are the few capable of refining Venezuelian oil. And Chavez there wants and needs our $$. He's probably paranoid about a CIA or Mafia hit on him. Maybe he should be ... lol.

Chavez needs our $$ moreso than our friendship; he eschews our friendship ... you know "smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes ... don't tell the truth".

An Iranian economic embargo could be more likely, but somehow I think that situation will be worked out.

Spaf's graph illustrates what I see coming as well.
 
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Huuuummmppphhhhhh......I make calculations on past history longer than that Spaf.....maybe you need to look further back some more.....

There is no doubt that there will be a long term climb coming...but we should see a rest for a while here ......then again anything can go in this trumped up market....depends on if they can make something out of it......

:dude:
 
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