RealMoneyIssues' Account Talk

You are so right. The smart idea for retirement is dividend stocks, dividend growth stocks, and preferred value closed-end funds, such as Royce Value Trust. http://investing.money.msn.com/investments/stock-price?symbol=RVT-B (cannot reinvest). Contribute what you can on a monthly basis and as the years roll on, it will accumulate, and at some point you can turn off the DRIP's and harvest the dividends so you have an additional dependable income stream. mREIT's are OK now, but maybe not a few years from now. BDO, MLP's, esp. MLP's, check into that.

It's also smart to have a monthly target. If you reach it, great, and don't worry about what the market does until the next month. If you don't, then hunker down. No need to try to stress out more than you need to. If others are scoring while you are on the sidelines, no problem. If you are losing money, that's a problem. Avoiding that outcome is much more important than scoring more gains.

Some good div.growth stocks are JNJ, KO, PG, and MHP (the latter is slow but steady, it takes patience), and others like them.
 
I hate this market manipulation...

At 1510 the USD started tanking and the markets skyrocketed...

So, as I have said before, if we do go down after all of this propping of the market (mainly to prevent bearish patterns from playing out), it is going to be a doozy...
 
You are so right. The smart idea for retirement is dividend stocks, dividend growth stocks, and preferred value closed-end funds, such as Royce Value Trust. http://investing.money.msn.com/investments/stock-price?symbol=RVT-B (cannot reinvest). Contribute what you can on a monthly basis and as the years roll on, it will accumulate, and at some point you can turn off the DRIP's and harvest the dividends so you have an additional dependable income stream. mREIT's are OK now, but maybe not a few years from now. BDO, MLP's, esp. MLP's, check into that.

It's also smart to have a monthly target. If you reach it, great, and don't worry about what the market does until the next month. If you don't, then hunker down. No need to try to stress out more than you need to. If others are scoring while you are on the sidelines, no problem. If you are losing money, that's a problem. Avoiding that outcome is much more important than scoring more gains.

Some good div.growth stocks are JNJ, KO, PG, and MHP (the latter is slow but steady, it takes patience), and others like them.

It's just hard for me to buy stocks when they at $50+ per share. That is a lot of money in my opinion to risk in just one stock. I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but I always get nervous when I buy individual stocks because you are putting a lot of faith in just one company. Some people on this board have said you should always buy 100+ shares when you purchase a stock and at the price of $50/share that would be $5,000. I just cannot put that much into one company lol. Maybe if I learn more about this stuff things will become clearer.
 
It's just hard for me to buy stocks when they at $50+ per share. That is a lot of money in my opinion to risk in just one stock. I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but I always get nervous when I buy individual stocks because you are putting a lot of faith in just one company. Some people on this board have said you should always buy 100+ shares when you purchase a stock and at the price of $50/share that would be $5,000. I just cannot put that much into one company lol. Maybe if I learn more about this stuff things will become clearer.
You don't need to buy 100 shares as you can pickup odd lots of stocks too.

I have chosen to trend trade (although the recent market has made me a swing trader and on some occassions a day trader) using indexs usually in ETFs. That way I can trade the movement of 500 stocks by using the SPY on the way up.

For more fancy trading you can use inverse funds (that go opposite of the market) and leveraged funds. Know what you are getting into because it tends to add more stress :D
 
Price is only a problem if you are impecunious - it's not an impediment for me. Higher priced equities usually move faster in price in a bull market.
 
You don't need to buy 100 shares as you can pickup odd lots of stocks too.

I have chosen to trend trade (although the recent market has made me a swing trader and on some occassions a day trader) using indexs usually in ETFs. That way I can trade the movement of 500 stocks by using the SPY on the way up.

For more fancy trading you can use inverse funds (that go opposite of the market) and leveraged funds. Know what you are getting into because it tends to add more stress :D

See all these technical terms you throw at me I am clueless of lol. I don't know what a swing trader is and I'm guessing a day trader is someone that watches daily and buys/sells daily. I just don't have the time to watch daily and try reading charts (I don't know how to really anyways). Plus it adds a lot more stress to my life that I don't need when I start thinking about losing money because I am pretty frugal. I was doing well when my money market savings account had over a 5% interest rate. I was making a bit of money every year just from that. Now that interest rates have plummeted I barely make anything off of my savings, but I'm not about to throw it all into the stock market either.
 
Price is only a problem if you are impecunious - it's not an impediment for me. Higher priced equities usually move faster in price in a bull market.

Well by no means would I say I'm poor, but I will never throw my entire savings into the stock market nor will I ever borrow money to play the stock market game. I'm sure you're more aware of what you are doing than I am, but I think you said in reply to one of my posts before that you have some type of thing setup where you borrow money and play the stock market game with it. What happens if you make the wrong choices and lose the money you borrowed? No thanks...I don't like debt.
 
It does take money to make money. You can't expect to invest 500 to 1,000 dollars and retire. Birch has been at it a long time and I expect he moves 10's of thousands at one time, now. But you have to start somewhere and a little at a time can build into a nice portfolio.
 
"Price declines are painful, but do not equate to capital losses if investors stay long term and business values remain intact."
 
It does take money to make money. You can't expect to invest 500 to 1,000 dollars and retire. Birch has been at it a long time and I expect he moves 10's of thousands at one time, now. But you have to start somewhere and a little at a time can build into a nice portfolio.

Definitely true, but I need to learn much more about this stuff before I consider tossing thousands around. I don't mind investing into a Roth IRA because there are smarter people managing the mutual fund than me lol. I may start looking more into different funds and move it around a little in hopes to make some extra money though.
 
Definitely true, but I need to learn much more about this stuff before I consider tossing thousands around. I don't mind investing into a Roth IRA because there are smarter people managing the mutual fund than me lol. I may start looking more into different funds and move it around a little in hopes to make some extra money though.
If you do that, then keep it balanced appropriately so you don't take it in the shorts on market volatility...

Good Luck
 
If you do that, then keep it balanced appropriately so you don't take it in the shorts on market volatility...

Good Luck

Balanced as in a certain percentage in stocks and a certain percantage in bonds or something? I think I've read some people keep like 70% in stocks and 30% in bonds...or maybe I'm crazy and I'm not remembering.
 
Balanced as in a certain percentage in stocks and a certain percantage in bonds or something? I think I've read some people keep like 70% in stocks and 30% in bonds...or maybe I'm crazy and I'm not remembering.
There are a lot of opinions on this subject, so find one you agree with and are comfortable with it's tenets...
 
Merry Christmas Everyone !!!

My Family and I will remember the reason for the season and keep everyone in our prayers.

God Bless Y'all !!!
 
Ok, here is my first attempt at tables (finally got it to work)...

Here is part of what I watch... my entire spreadsheet would probably embarrass me...

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 600"]
[TR]
[TD]Trading
Date
[/TD]
[TD]7 Sentinels
[/TD]
[TD]SS
[/TD]
[TD]Top 5
[/TD]
[TD]Top 10
[/TD]
[TD]Season
[/TD]
[TD]Long-Short
[/TD]
[TD]MrJohnRoss
[/TD]
[TD]JKenJohnson
[/TD]
[TD]10Mon SMA
[/TD]
[TD]LMBF Method
[/TD]
[TD]Buy/Sell Model
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12/30
[/TD]
[TD]Buy
[/TD]
[TD]Safe
[/TD]
[TD]40
[/TD]
[TD]50
[/TD]
[TD]56
[/TD]
[TD]Safe
[/TD]
[TD]Safe
[/TD]
[TD]Buy
[/TD]
[TD]Short
[/TD]
[TD]Long
[/TD]
[TD]Short
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1/3
[/TD]
[TD]Buy
[/TD]
[TD]Safe
[/TD]
[TD]0
[/TD]
[TD]0
[/TD]
[TD]49
[/TD]
[TD]Safe
[/TD]
[TD]Safe
[/TD]
[TD]Buy
[/TD]
[TD]Short
[/TD]
[TD]Long
[/TD]
[TD]Long
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1/4
[/TD]
[TD]Buy
[/TD]
[TD]Safe
[/TD]
[TD]100
[/TD]
[TD]90
[/TD]
[TD]74
[/TD]
[TD]Safe
[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]Buy
[/TD]
[TD]Short
[/TD]
[TD]Long
[/TD]
[TD]Short
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1/5
[/TD]
[TD]Buy
[/TD]
[TD]Safe
[/TD]
[TD]60
[/TD]
[TD]80
[/TD]
[TD]54
[/TD]
[TD]Safe
[/TD]
[TD]Safe
[/TD]
[TD]Buy
[/TD]
[TD]Short
[/TD]
[TD]Long
[/TD]
[TD]Hold
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1/6
[/TD]
[TD]Buy
[/TD]
[TD]Safe
[/TD]
[TD]60
[/TD]
[TD]60
[/TD]
[TD]46
[/TD]
[TD]Safe
[/TD]
[TD]Safe
[/TD]
[TD]Buy
[/TD]
[TD]Short
[/TD]
[TD]Long
[/TD]
[TD]Hold
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1/9
[/TD]
[TD]Buy
[/TD]
[TD]Buy
[/TD]
[TD]20
[/TD]
[TD]10
[/TD]
[TD]44
[/TD]
[TD]Safe
[/TD]
[TD]Safe
[/TD]
[TD]Buy
[/TD]
[TD]Short[/TD]
[TD]Long
[/TD]
[TD]Hold
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

I am done for now, I just wanted to try it out and share what I have. More to come...
 
Ok, here is my first attempt at tables (finally got it to work)...

Here is part of what I watch... my entire spreadsheet would probably embarrass me...

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 600"]
[TR]
[TD]Trading
Date[/TD]
[TD]7 Sentinels[/TD]
[TD]SS[/TD]
[TD]Top 5[/TD]
[TD]Top 10[/TD]
[TD]Season[/TD]
[TD]Long-Short[/TD]
[TD]MrJohnRoss[/TD]
[TD]JKenJohnson[/TD]
[TD]10Mon SMA[/TD]
[TD]LMBF Method[/TD]
[TD]Buy/Sell Model[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]12/30[/TD]
[TD]Buy[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]40[/TD]
[TD]50[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]Buy[/TD]
[TD]Short[/TD]
[TD]Long[/TD]
[TD]Short[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1/3[/TD]
[TD]Buy[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]49[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]Buy[/TD]
[TD]Short[/TD]
[TD]Long[/TD]
[TD]Long[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1/4[/TD]
[TD]Buy[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]100[/TD]
[TD]90[/TD]
[TD]74[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]Buy[/TD]
[TD]Short[/TD]
[TD]Long[/TD]
[TD]Short[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1/5[/TD]
[TD]Buy[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]60[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]54[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]Buy[/TD]
[TD]Short[/TD]
[TD]Long[/TD]
[TD]Hold[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1/6[/TD]
[TD]Buy[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]60[/TD]
[TD]60[/TD]
[TD]46[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]Buy[/TD]
[TD]Short[/TD]
[TD]Long[/TD]
[TD]Hold[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1/9[/TD]
[TD]Buy[/TD]
[TD]Buy[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]Safe[/TD]
[TD]Buy[/TD]
[TD]Short[/TD]
[TD]Long[/TD]
[TD]Hold[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

I am done for now, I just wanted to try it out and share what I have. More to come...

Very nice...and this represents some of what I look at as well. I wonder if you graphed it, with equal weight provided to each column, how that would work? This looks like you might be on your way to a "system":nuts:!
 
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