P&F Chart School

First reverasal since March 19th- now showing a BEARISH price objective of 790.

Looks like the bear has come roaring back.
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There are a couple of resistance points that we'll have to be watching for. First, at about 815, there seems to be a nice resistance point waiting. Then again at around 790. If that doesn't hold, the next one doesn't kick in till 715 or so. This could get very ugly very fast.

Good luck.
 
It shows a bullish orientation - James just went all in against reasonable expectations. All sidliners are starting to feel intense anxiety - missing the boat and the trains aren't stopping.
 
It shows a bullish orientation - James just went all in against reasonable expectations. All sidliners are starting to feel intense anxiety - missing the boat and the trains aren't stopping.
The Bears are throwing in the towel?
 
May 1st had a High Pole warning, only to be replaced today by a triple top breakout.

Yep-

I hesitated on Friday because of the high pole warning. I should jumped back in, but I didn't - until today. Those darn two-moves per month limits are killing me. I wanted to get back in last Monday, but had to settle for the <1% solution while I could. That worked a bit, but it's not like having a full trigger.

Anyway- I saw a couple shows over the weekend that said "the recession is over." The leading indicators are bottoming out. It may take another six months to a year to work through the coming problems with credit cards and commercial real estate (still both big issues ahead), but we're no longer in a free fall with real estate,and there are signs starting that we've leveled off in some other areas as well.

So I am plunging back in and crossing fingers.

Triple top breakout today, nice start to May. Let's see if we can run it for a few days. Note: I fund is looking sweet too.
 
James

When your P&F on the auto tracker meets its PO will you pull it back to G or wait for a reversal flag?

While the price objective based on high/lows is 935, based on closes it's 1015 which just so happens to be a 38.2% Fibonacci retracement from Oct 07's peak to the Devil's bottom. :)
 
James

When your P&F on the auto tracker meets its PO will you pull it back to G or wait for a reversal flag?

:)

Wait for reversal signal. That's how it works best.


I'll wait until after we get some kind of a reversal signal solidly. I have been slow on the draw to switch, in part because of that pesky noon cutoff time thing with the TSP. However, we seem to be doing ok anyway.

A price objective is just that- the estimate of where it is going to go. You might remember that before we got a one-day mid-term switch, the price objective was above 1000. The flicker day gave us a one-day (actually, only one evening) switch to a negative price objective, which then popped right back the next day into a positive price objective of 935. So I am thinking we may coast a bit above the 935 for a while. Watching now for a solid turn to the downside, and a new lower price abjective to appear.

Until then, it's in to win.

Good luck.
 
Just posting the chart for reference to discussions below.

Just a question I have is, Tom's commentary showed the OEX put/call ratio (Smart Money) has been in decline (and with OPEX next week...)?
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With the very big caveat that James is the P&F chart master here, not me, I'll offer my small opinion. I think we're more than overdue for a correction. I don't think it will be a scary one, however. I don't think we'll go back and test the devil low (666) because I think the economy is being too manipulated to allow that to happen. And I also think that we need to watch the $USD because I think the markets will act in the inverse of the dollar, whatever that happens to be.

All that thinkin' made my brain hurt. :embarrest:

FWIW and that's not much,
Lady
 
A couple quick comments-

We got a high pole warning yesterday.

What happens next is dependent on whether or not the 880 zone holds. The chart is showing that we're ok down to about 875, that would simply be filling in the chart where we went up very high recently. An 875, and then back up, would be no big deal.

However, if we break significantly BELOW the 875 number, then we are likely to head downward, and hard. Perhaps the run of the last eight or nine weeks would be over for a while, and we've got a way to go before any support would kick in.

I was debating whether or not to pull the trigger on the high-pole warning on the P&F account.

I am NOT today- because technically, at least as of 15 minutes ago, we were still showing a technical bullish price objective of 935. You remember we made it ALMOST to 935 last week, but not quite.

I won't pull the trigger on the P&F chart account and make the trade out until we get a formal "BEARISH" price objective switch, which MAY come later today, if we break downward below 875 or so.

Here is the chart as of 11:40 this morning:
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As always- what you decide to do is up to you. The techincals on the P&F say continue invested past noon today. We'll see what happens this afternoon. We're very, very close to a technical P&F sell signal, but not quite yet.

Good luck.


 
What interesting action!

For the last couple weeks, I've been watching the P&F chart, trying to get a sense of where we are going. We starting getting some significant triangle action- Lower highs, and higher lows, as the range narrowed.

I haven't said anything for a while-
I was waiting to see which way it was going to break- if it broke lower, then I was ready to make a call and bail. But I also have been seeing a lot of money continue to flow in, as some people seem to be looking for an entry point.

Well, late in the day on Friday we got a flurry of activity- and that gave us our answer. We ended up getting a Bullish Triangle formation with a nice break upward.

Here's the chart:

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This is what http://stockcharts.com has to say about Bullish Triangles:


"Triangles are formed when both the supply and demand for the stock are drying up. Prices are unable to rise but neither are they able to fall, there is an equilibrium between the buying and selling as is seen by the rising bottoms and the falling tops that form the triangle. This stalemate between buyers and sellers is finally resolved by a double top breakout in the case of a bullish triangle breakout, or by a double bottom breakdown in the case of a bearish triangle breakdown. This is one of the most reliable patterns out of all the patterns recognized by the system."
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So, at least for today, it looks like a nice upward break is going to carry through for a few days. We'll see if that's true or not next week.

Good luck, and be careful out there.


 
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Look at how high the EFA price objective is.

Wow. Hope that works out.


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It will.

It's just a matter of when.

Note: It also may be taking into account the future fall in the value of the U.S. dollar. I would bank on that.
 
Hey all,
A quick question for James - on Clester's post, wondering how there can be a high, Bullish PO, while still being under the red, declining resistance line?
Doesn't this seem counterintuitive? :blink:
VR
 
Hey all,
A quick question for James - on Clester's post, wondering how there can be a high, Bullish PO, while still being under the red, declining resistance line?
Doesn't this seem counterintuitive? :blink:
VR

It is possible to get a reversal, (from a bearish price objective to a bullish price objective) within the boundaries of the red and blue lines. The red and blue lines represent something different. A red line overhead means a "Bearish Resistance" line, meaning that when we hit up against it, we tend to encounter significant resistance. Likewise, if we have a blue Bullish Support line, that is an indicator of the overall trend, and serves somewhat (but not completely- ) as resistance underneath.

So how can you have a postive price objective (PO) when you are still under red? The answer is that it depends on the overall trend, and the RATE of change, whether or not the price objective changes. How many units are you reversed from the trend, and how rapidly did it happen? Those influence either a negative or a positive price objective. The trick is, when you see a change- is it a solid change, or could it be a one-day wonder? I've seen one or two day reversals that suddenly peter out. I am cautious- but at the same time, I also have a personal risk tolerance that is very high, so I try and grab opportunities myself. Others may not be so risk tolerent.

The red and blue lines can help you decide whether or not you are willing to take certain risks. One of the hardest things to decide when dealing with the stock market is deciding when to bail out and take the profit. Perhaps a Bearish Resistance line might be one factor, but not the only factor, that you take into account, when trying to use the P&F charts.

More information about P&F charts, and those trends, is found earlier in this thread, and also at http://stockcharts.com .

Here is some discussion of the relationships between those lines, and when one might expect to see a change in "Price Objective". Price Objectives also take into account the RATE of change, as well as the direction.

Here is the link:
http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=133392&postcount=19

Read from that one- then about the next 10 or 15 posts, and it makes it a little clearer.

I am still not convinced we are out of the woods- although friday's action eased my concerns about the possibility of a sudden setback anytime soon.

Then again- ALWAYS remember this- P&F shows where we have been. It CAN show where we MIGHT go, if ALL OTHER THINGS ARE EQUAL. But the biggest thing to remember is that ANY OUTSIDE ACTION CAN SUDDENLY SHIFT SENTIMENT- AND WITH IT, THE DIRECTION OF THE MARKET. I.E. Outside factors- a sudden flair-up in Korea, a bank failure, a GM Corporate bankruptcy, a hurricane in New Orleans, can all suddenly break the expectation set in a P&F chart. So watch out, nothing is ever certain.

Hope that helps.
 
Much Thanks James,
I think it was the 1st time I'd seen this - and a very good and thorough answer!! I thought I was asking a simpler question, but still learning, and hopefully others benefitted as well. Thanks for starting this thread, as I think many others also see its benefits, as we continue to learn!!
VR :)
 
Just posting today's S&P500 p&f chart. Price Objective met.
(but in adding volume, as Clester had done - wondering this might be something to consider now, or too soon to tell?)
VR :o
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