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nnuut said:
It seems that the Grid can't keep up, how about in the reverse, do you think it can keep up with demand? NOT!
Wind farms in Pacific Northwest paid to not produce
By Dan Springer
Published March 07, 2012
| FoxNews.com
Wind farms in the Pacific Northwest -- built with government subsidies and maintained with tax credits for every megawatt produced -- are now getting paid to shut down as the federal agency charged with managing the region's electricity grid says there's an oversupply of renewable power at certain times of the year.
The problem arose during the late spring and early summer last year. Rapid snow melt filled the Columbia River Basin. The water rushed through the 31 dams run by the Portland, Ore.-based Bonneville Power Administration allowing for peak hydropower generation. At the very same time, the wind howled leading to maximum wind power production.

Demand could not keep up with supply, so BPA shut down the wind farms for nearly 200 hours over 38 days.
"It's the one system in the world where in real time, moment to moment, you have to produce as much energy as is being consumed," BPA spokesman Doug Johnson said of the renewable energy.

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I think we need bigger rechargeable batteries... spend the money on them instead of paying the utility to not generate... oh, heck, who knows
 
Importance of Optimized Recovery Rises as More Fields Mature
by Robin Dupre
Rigzone Staff

Wednesday, March 07, 2012


Growth in oil production to sustain the nation's economy must be achieved through a combination of new discoveries and optimized recovery from existing fields, which account for a quarter to two-thirds of total global assets. This number is expected to increase over the coming years as more and more fields enter the mature phase.
At IHS CERAWeek session, "Mature Field Development: The Next Wave of Innovation," a panelist of four discussed the importance of technology innovations when dealing with mature fields and the pros and cons of turning one's attention to optimized recovery.
"More than 70 percent of current worldwide production comes from fields more than 30 years old
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RIGZONE - Importance of Optimized Recovery Rises as More Fields Mature
 
At least this article was written objectively.
Let's see, 200 hours over 38 days...that's 22% of the time during a 38 day period. OR 2.2% of the 8760 hours/year. Do we always run other parts of our energy production grid at max potential all the time? And is the "paid" were talking about here the subsidy to build them? Didn't the feds pay to build the dams too? Don't we, the customer, generally "pay" to have energy production potential available?

Snow melt was anomalously high last year. The eco-problem of the dam stems from the dam's existence, not windmills. Residents of the NW are very concerned about Salmon fishery health in the region for more than just enviro reasons. It's a big industry, and they have work within the confines of the existing infrastructure to keep the fisheries healthy.

nnuut said:
It seems that the Grid can't keep up, how about in the reverse, do you think it can keep up with demand? NOT!
Wind farms in Pacific Northwest paid to not produce
By Dan Springer
Published March 07, 2012
| FoxNews.com
Wind farms in the Pacific Northwest -- built with government subsidies and maintained with tax credits for every megawatt produced -- are now getting paid to shut down as the federal agency charged with managing the region's electricity grid says there's an oversupply of renewable power at certain times of the year.
The problem arose during the late spring and early summer last year. Rapid snow melt filled the Columbia River Basin. The water rushed through the 31 dams run by the Portland, Ore.-based Bonneville Power Administration allowing for peak hydropower generation. At the very same time, the wind howled leading to maximum wind power production.

Demand could not keep up with supply, so BPA shut down the wind farms for nearly 200 hours over 38 days.
"It's the one system in the world where in real time, moment to moment, you have to produce as much energy as is being consumed," BPA spokesman Doug Johnson said of the renewable energy.

Read more: Wind Farms In Pacific Northwest Paid To Not Produce | Fox News
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Mapper said:
At least this article was written objectively.
Let's see, 200 hours over 38 days...that's 22% of the time during a 38 day period. OR 2.2% of the 8760 hours/year. Do we always run other parts of our energy production grid at max potential all the time? And is the "paid" were talking about here the subsidy to build them? Didn't the feds pay to build the dams too? Don't we, the customer, generally "pay" to have energy production potential available?

Snow melt was anomalously high last year. The eco-problem of the dam stems from the dam's existence, not windmills. Residents of the NW are very concerned about Salmon fishery health in the region for more than just enviro reasons. It's a big industry, and they have work within the confines of the existing infrastructure to keep the fisheries healthy.
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WHAT??
This kind of reminds me of the Government paying Farmers NOT TO FARM in order to keep the price high. The point here is that the GRID can't handle the pressure now and that's goes both ways. So we want to add millions and millions of electric cars to the load, I don't think it can handle it. And that would mean the price of electricity would spike, but that's all part of the Non existent plan.
 
I lived in the NW for years and nearly took a job with BPA. Many of those dams are old and in need of massive repairs. In reality many of them will be decommissioned for fishery protection and safety reasons (economic and security). Given the population growth patterns in the region the quantity of pent-up water is considered a security risk. Wind in the Columbia Gorge is extremely reliable (some of the best windsurfing in the world) and, because the wind farms are essentially co-located with dams, uses much of the same transmission infrastructure. If the transmission infrastructure is insufficient (due to population growth it is) it will need to improved regardless of generation source.

Working on transmission siting was the job I almost took.
 
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