Oil and natural gas drilling in U.S. waters

[Buster]

Takes one to know one ....

And I guess you know them all..huh?:suspicious:


You know what you remind me of?..the kid that gets down behind someone when they’re not looking, while another kid pushes them over backward over you…tisk, tisk..

 

[XL-entLady]

Takes one to know one ....

And I guess you know them all..huh?:suspicious:

Only the important ones. :toung:

You know what you remind me of?..the kid that gets down behind someone when they’re not looking, while another kid pushes them over backward over you…tisk, tisk..

Oh yeah, I really deserved that. Because I'm always sneaking up behind people and hitting them when they're not looking. You bet. That's me.

What I am, Buster, 'ol bud, is someone who appreciates a factual and cogent argument rather than a rabble-roused regurgitation of the latest Limbaugh show.

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[nnuut]

The Russians have done it a couple times when they had an out-of-control deepsea gas drillhole, from what I've been reading. they were successful at getting the things plugged. From what else I'm reading today, it may not be that simple with this one.

Yeah and that fire burned for what 9 Months, that's where GLOBAL WARMING came from!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:
You guys are way too intelligent for me to compete with so I'll just shut up!:suspicious:

 

[Buster]

You guys are way too intelligent for me to compete with so I'll just shut up!:suspicious:

Probably the best thing for me too Norm..I should've learned long ago there is no reasoning with sticks and stones throwing Liberals that don't posses a mirror to see themselves as others see them..they are NEVER wrong.:laugh:

 

[alevin]

WHAT is the problem? I was agreeing nuking it might be a workable solution, considering it's been tried and successful elsewhere!

When I said it would not necessarily be any more successful than anything else tried so far, I was referring to logistical factual assessments of the option I've been reading about. Not speaking my opinion! I don't have one on that option, yet! won't know until they've tried it. Jeez. :suspicious:

 

[XL-entLady]

WHAT is the problem? .... I was referring to logistical factual assessments of the option I've been reading about.

Ah! Logistical factual assessments! There's your problem right there! :laugh:

 

[James48843]

Tiny scale, but at least it's a start:
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[James48843]

BP CEO disputes claims of underwater oil plumes


VENICE, La. – Disputing scientists' claims of large oil plumes suspended underwater in the Gulf of Mexico, BP PLC's chief executive on Sunday said the company has largely narrowed the focus of its cleanup to surface slicks rolling into Louisiana's coastal marshes.

During a tour of a BP PLC staging area for cleanup CEO Tony Hayward said the company's sampling showed "no evidence" that oil was suspended in large masses beneath the surface. He didn't elaborate on how the testing was done.


Hayward said that oil's natural tendency is to rise to the surface, and any oil found underwater was in the process of working its way up.
"The oil is on the surface," Hayward said. "There aren't any plumes."

Scientists from several universities have reported plumes of what appears to be oil far from the site of BP's leaking wellhead, which is more than 5,000 beneath the surface.

Those findings — from the University of South Florida, the University of Georgia, Southern Mississippi University and other institutions — were based on video images and initial observations of water samples taken in the Gulf over the last several weeks. They continue to be analyzed.

One researcher said Sunday that their findings are bolstered by the fact that scientists from different institutions have come to similar conclusions after doing separate testing.

"There's been enough evidence from enough different sources," said marine scientist James Cowan of Louisiana State University, who reported finding a plume last of oil last week about 50 miles from the spill site. Cowan said oil reached to depths of at least 400 feet.

An even larger plume — 22 miles long, six miles wide and more than a thousand feet deep — was reported by the University of South Florida.

"We stand behind it," said William Hogarth, dean of the school's College of Marine Science. Hogarth, the former head of the National Marine Fisheries Service, said laboratory results are due this week.

A third scientist, LSU chemist Ed Overton, said simple physics sides with BP's Hayward. Since oil is lighter than water, Overton said it is unlikely to stay below the surface for long.

But Hogarth and Cowan said BP's use of chemical dispersants to break up the oil before it reaches the surface could reduce its buoyancy, keeping it in deeper water.

An estimated 18 to 40 million gallons of oil have been unleashed since BP's Deepwater Horizon platform exploded and sank last month, killing 11. With the undersea leak now expected to continue spewing oil until August, Hayward said the cleanup effort could last for months or even years.

The embattled CEO spent only a few minutes on the subject of plumes on Sunday, concentrating instead on outlining his company's cleanup efforts.

"The fight on this battlefield today is in Louisiana," he said.

Calls to BP seeking more information on how they tested for the underwater plumes weren't immediately returned.

Source - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill_plumes

 

[Buster]

BP CEO disputes claims of underwater oil plumes


During a tour of a BP PLC staging area for cleanup CEO Tony Hayward said the company's sampling showed "no evidence" that oil was suspended in large masses beneath the surface. He didn't elaborate on how the testing was done.



A third scientist, LSU chemist Ed Overton, said simple physics sides with BP's Hayward. Since oil is lighter than water, Overton said it is unlikely to stay below the surface for long.

But Hogarth and Cowan said BP's use of chemical dispersants to break up the oil before it reaches the surface could reduce its buoyancy, keeping it in deeper water.

During the explanation of the use of this underwater dispersing agent..it was said that it acted like soap and broke the oil into tiny droplets and therefore the ocean's microbes could eat this up and bio-degrade it into something harmless...This could be bullsh!t...I don't know for sure..But I will tell you for a fact, (are you happy now Lady?) that there is 27 varieties of microorganisms that lives and thrives on diesel fuel and water...So it maybe possible about what they are saying..

 

[XL-entLady]

..But I will tell you for a fact, (are you happy now Lady?) ..

You are good, my friend.

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My daughter just showed me that emoticon and told me it means "blowing a kiss".

 

[Buster]

You are good, my friend.

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My daughter just showed me that emoticon and told me it means "blowing a kiss".

Thanks sweetie..

 

[James48843]

Map of the oil from NOAA-

Nearshore:

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Offshore:

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That's the spread so far. They are now saying on TV this morning that a half-a-million gallons of oil are escaping each day. And they are saying that the "topkill" has now been abandonded, and they say it will be at least August before they have another attempt to shut the oil down. The White House doesn't expect the "Cut and Cap" to work- and warns America to anticipate it may be August before those two relief wells can take the pressure off the main well, and allow it to be plugged again. (AFTER the relief wells are done, then AFTER those relief wells take some pressure out of the pool of oil, THEN they can try a "topkill" again and hope it works if there is less pressure fighting back. August? September? October? We'll see. )

"White House energy and climate adviser Carol M. Browner said Sunday that the oil spill was "probably the biggest environmental disaster we've ever faced in this country" and that "we are prepared for the worst."

On the CBS show "Face the Nation," she said that the "American people need to know that it is possible we will have oil leaking from this well until August when the relief wells will be finished."

More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/30/AR2010053002195.html



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[James48843]

Really?:nuts:..you know this How?...My God man!!!!!..what the hell are you sitting around for?..You need to Call BP and the Coast Guard and all the Scientists on the project, and, and OBAMA.. and tell them to halt and not try this or even attempt it..because, YOU know there is too much pressure and it wont' work...And to go ahead with drilling relief wells instead, that will take three more months (maybe)..even though they have drilled one already and they are 2/3 of the way there...But YOU say 2 to 3 wells will be needed....you are incredible

Read it Buster- on today's Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/30/AR2010053002195.html

White House energy and climate adviser Carol M. Browner said Sunday that the oil spill was "probably the biggest environmental disaster we've ever faced in this country" and that "we are prepared for the worst."

On the CBS show "Face the Nation," she said that the "American people need to know that it is possible we will have oil leaking from this well until August when the relief wells will be finished."

I get my information from the facts, and make educated factual estimations based on those facts.

So does the White House, Buster.

 

[burrocrat]

rather crude armchair analysis here, sources from the internet and ever-changing estimates in the news...

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bottom line: the amount of oil leaking into the gulf daily is less than 3% of BP's US production, much less than one percent of total U.S. production, and negligible on a world production scale.

conclusions: the world produces a lot of oil, the U.S. consumes a lot of oil, BP is spilling a lot of oil, and it's just a drop in the bucket...

but it's a biiiiigg bucket.

 

[XL-entLady]

"...Perhaps most alarming of all, 40 days and 40 nights after the Deepwater Horizon blew up and began the underwater deluge, hurricane season is at hand. It brings the horrifying possibility of wind-whipped, oil-soaked waves and water spinning ashore and coating areas much further inland. Imagine Katrina plus oil spill.

"...the only permanent solution is the drilling a relief well that would relieve the pressure on the runaway gusher in favor of a controlled pumping ... But that will take at least two months. That's not just two months of dealing with the extensive damage done until now to oceans, beaches and marshlands. It's two months more of oil pouring outward and upward — and two months more toward the heart of hurricane season and its potential to sow destruction....

"They are going to destroy south Louisiana. We are dying a slow death here," said Billy Nungesser, president of Plaquemines Parish, La.
Coastal tent cities are about to rise to house the workers and contractors charged with fixing and minimizing the damage. Sand banks and barriers are being built. But the consensus around the Gulf Coast is turning more apoplectic and apocalyptic. This is, people are starting to say, a generational event — tragic to this generation, potentially crippling to the next."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700036430/Summer-of-oil-anger-lies-ahead-in-Gulf.html?pg=1

 

[James48843]

They are cutting on stuff right now-
Live video:

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_int...local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

A sample- from five minutes ago- here's sawing through one of the side pipes, before the blade pops out of the cut groove:

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[Buster]

Hope they're careful of sparks..we don't need a fire too..

 

[Buster]

Read it Buster- on today's Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/30/AR2010053002195.html



I get my information from the facts, and make educated factual estimations based on those facts.

Yes, but you apparently editorialise these facts and make little to no sense when you do...

So does the White House, Buster.


Now that is funny...Do you make this up as you go?

Deflect, deflect..I read it Jim..and it said NOTHING about too much pressure...Will you please, I beg you, Please stay on point even if your inexpert opinions are the point....

Really?:nuts:..you know this How?...My God man!!!!!..what the hell are you sitting around for?..You need to Call BP and the Coast Guard and all the Scientists on the project, and, and OBAMA.. and tell them to halt and not try this or even attempt it..because, YOU know there is too much pressure and it wont' work

So you made your claim to be an expert here on May 29th, long before this non-relevant article you posted came out May 31st...Yeah man, you are one smart cookie based on FACTS before they are published, even when they're not..HA,HA!:laugh:
http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=274042&postcount=193

 

[XL-entLady]

Deflect, deflect..I read it Jim..and it said NOTHING about too much pressure...Will you please, I beg you, Please stay on point even if your inexpert opinions are the point....

So you made your claim to be an expert here on May 29th, long before this non-relevant article you posted came out May 31st...Yeah man, you are one smart cookie based on FACTS before they are published, even when they're not..HA,HA!:laugh:

"...Some drilling experts said that the "top kill" effort failed over the weekend because the force of the oil and gas pushing up from the reservoir 13,000 feet below the seafloor was so great that it had shoved most of the drilling mud through the blowout preventer and into the sea.

Tadeusz W. Patzek, chairman of petroleum and geosystems engineering at the University of Texas at Austin, said it was the "equivalent of six or seven fire hoses blasting oil and gas up, while two fire hoses were used to blast the drilling mud down. They never stood much of a chance." ..."

This was in the article I read by following James's link, buddy. What article were you reading?

 

[James48843]

Here is one for your conspiracy theory, Buster.

How is it that Haliburton bought the small company "Boots and Coots", on April 10, 2010- just ten days before the Gulf blowout?

Boots and Coots being, of course, the tiny company known for putting out oil well fires, and dealing with pressure problems? The company responsible for putting out 1/3rd of all the oil well fires in Kuwait back in Gulf War I? The little company dating back to 1978. when Ed "Coots" Matthews started his own company after spinning off of Red Adair's company? The same Ed Matthews who was found dead back on March 31, 2010?

Isn't it amazing that Ed dies on March 31? And then Haliburton pulls off a coup and buys the company for just $3 a share-- of which only slightly more than half was cash- the balance was Haliburton stock- on April 10, just 10 days before the biggest blowout in Oil company history???
http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/investing/halliburton-snaps-up-boots-and-coots/19435689/


Think about that one for a bit....