Oil and natural gas drilling in U.S. waters

Hey Buster - did you see this, this morning?


http://cbs2.com/national/gulf.oil.spill.2.1700040.html

Tar balls have reached.....Key West.

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Let's not over state and keep it real right now...


Tar Balls Found Off Key West, Fla, not ON Key West

Nearly two dozen tar balls have been found off Key West, Fla., the U.S. Coast Guard said, but the agency stopped short of saying whether they came from a massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

A SLICK this does not make!..Tar balls are manageble..even all two dozen of them...That's like 24 of them, in case you don't own a calculator;)
 
BP Awards Tourism Grants to Gulf States

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Tuesday, May 18, 2010


BP announced grants to each of the states of Florida, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana to help their Governors promote tourism around the shores of the Gulf of Mexico over the coming months.

This is part of our ongoing commitment to help mitigate the economic impact of the oil spill.

BP is providing $25 million to Florida and $15 million each to Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana.

"The Gulf Coast is our home too. We are doing everything we can to plug the leak, contain the spill offshore and protect the shoreline. With the deployment of the riser insertion tool yesterday, we made important progress in containing the spill, and that will further strengthen our ability to keep oil off the shore," said Tony Hayward, BP's Group Chief Executive.

"We understand the Governors' concerns for the impact on the tourism industry, and are making funds available so that they can support the industry's efforts to provide accurate information about the state of the beaches across the region."

These grants are in addition to the $25 million grants BP announced May 5 to help each of the four states accelerate the implementation of Area Contingency Plans.

The grants announced today are for the Governors to distribute as they see fit to promote tourism.

The grants BP has made to the four states do not affect BP's response to the Deepwater Horizon incident or existing claims process, but are supplemental to them.


http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=93450
 
Let's see- $25 million, Florida
$15 million, Alabama
$15 million, Louisiana
$15 million, Mississippi

Some "walking around money"?

Given to each Governor to be used "as they see fit"?
 
Let's see- $25 million, Florida
$15 million, Alabama
$15 million, Louisiana
$15 million, Mississippi

Some "walking around money"?

Given to each Governor to be used "as they see fit"?



I'm glad they are paying up now a little in advance for the guilty sentence in the future..wonder if it will be tax deductible?
 
Let's see- $25 million, Florida
$15 million, Alabama
$15 million, Louisiana
$15 million, Mississippi

Some "walking around money"?

Given to each Governor to be used "as they see fit"?

James, are you being sarcastic here or not? I don't understand what this is supposed to be saying. A very public display of money to "aid" in tourism. Bribe? I don't think their estimate to cleanup the spill (750 Million by their numbers) even warrants that type of comment.

I'm trying to go over all the oil rig accidents that have made it to the news. I do not see anything close to this since Valdez but that was a ship and not a rig. Does not an accident make us safer? I believe that all "known" safety devices were in place but failed. I have two friends who work the rigs off Santa Monica and up. They say no matter what they do there is always a risk.

I wish I could flip the switch and turn off the oil dependency. I really do. Anything that makes us self-sufficient, I'm all for it....Until that day, we are reliant on it and we need to make it safer. This horrible accident should be a catalyst for change, not finger-pointing and calling out.

I have contacted my marine biologist friends for their take and where and how I should focus my effort to assist on this issue.

I will let you know!:cool:
 
What I was intending to say is this-

Last week, a single county in Mississippi asked BP for $7.5 million for that single county- to spend on television advertising, to try and get tourists to come back.

"We understand the governors' concerns for the impact on the tourism industry, and are making funds available so that they can support the industry's efforts to provide accurate information about the state of the beaches across the region," Tony Hayward, BP's Group Chief Executive, said Monday.
The amount is significantly less than the Harrison County Tourism Commission requested last week. They said it would take $7.5 million a month for television ads to combat the negative media impact on the Mississippi coast.
"It's not anywhere close to what we asked for in our original request of $7.5 million per month, but it is fantastic news to know that in less than a week BP has acted on our request," said Ken Montana, a member of the Harrison County Tourism Commission.
Details on how the grant money will be distributed were not in the announcement, but it will go through the governor's office in each state.
"I want to make it clear that the time is of the essence. The Harrison County Tourism Commission has already started spending its own existing funds," said Montana.
http://www.wlox.com/Global/story.asp?S=12495421

This week BP responds to the request, by doling out $25 million to Florida, and $15 million each to the other states.

Florida's tourism economy is huge.

According to Businessweek- it's $65 billion worth a year:
More than 80 million tourists visited Florida last year, the state’s website says. They generated $65.2 billion of economic activity and $3.9 billion of tax revenue in 2008

Source: http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...credit-may-suffer-from-bp-spill-update1-.html


While $25 mil for Florida is something, and $15 million for each of those other states is something- it's not much more than a drop in the bucket compared to what the states are losing. And giving to the Governors doesn't look very good in my book- looks kind of like it's a cash payment in order to reduce the likelihood of lawsuits, or, as a payoff to the governors.

There is no way to package the payment that makes it look nice, I know.

And this isn't really something that money can fix. At any amount. It is what it is. That's all.

Every day the oil continues to spew, is another day of worse and worse contamination. It's going to be really, really bad.


And I'm still reeling from that 60 minutes piece over the weekend, pointing out what they think happened. This never should have happened- it was human error and human greed that did it.

We're all guilty of greed- but this is on a scale unlike anything the Gulf of Mexico has ever seen before, and it's not going to stop flowing anytime soon.

This is one of those times where you just scratch your head, and say "What were those guys- what ARE those guys thinking?"

Not only to cause it to happen, but now in the effort to stop the flow.

It now appears to me that they aren't trying to stop the flow- they are trying to scoop up as much as they can. Even if it's a portion of one out of the three pipes broken- They are now saying something like 40% of one of the three pipes, is being sucked up into a tanker so they can sell it.

Not trying to stop the oil-

Trying instead to suck up what they can get in order to sell it.

Totally different mission-- and totally different mindset.

It floors me.

I'm thinking- if that is what they are trying to do, perhaps we need to NATIONALIZE the oil being gathered by those tankers, and use that money to come up with a way to STOP the flow.

My two cents for the day. :-)
 
Some good words James. I'm sick over this thing. Every day some jerk is on the news trying to explain the 'flash crash' (duhh, we're in a stock bubble) but nobody seems to realize the long term effects of this ecological disaster in progress.

I can't imagine how bad it has to be in areas of Africa with these oil companies. If this happened there they'd probably 'cover it up'.
 
Does not an accident make us safer? I believe that all "known" safety devices were in place but failed.


After watching the 60-minutes piece, it was clear that, if what they had was correct, then "all known safety devices" were NOT in place- were known to be defective, had people on the rig reporting the failure, and the BP guy deliberately overrode the existing safety protocol. If that is true, then it is criminal in my book.

And no, I don't think "accidents make us safer".

Technology, well thought out plans, reasonable regulations and oversight, and adherence to safety standards make us FAR safer than having more accidents ever will. The sad thing in this accident is that we HAD the technology that would have prevented this from happening. We simply had human greed intervene instead.

The 60 minutes piece, and what I've gathered, said the blowout prevent was damaged 4 WEEKS before the accident. The evidence was there. The data was reported. But BP made the decision to go on anyway. That is greed over safety.

The drilling took place too fast for the rock formation- people knew that. It damaged the casing. But they went on anyway. THAT is greed over safety.

The 60 minutes piece said the cementing job was not done properly. The contractor told BP it wasn't right. But they went forward anyway, after an argument on deck, and went forward anyway. THAT is greed over safety.

It's a lot like the airline industry. Accidents don't make us safer- they did for a while, as regulation and technology improved. Now the number of accidents caused by equipment failure is nearly non-existent. The majority of accidents are caused by human error, and doing things that are KNOWN to be unsafe, but doing them anyway.

Accidents RARELY are the result of one single error. It's when errors compound, and the layers of safety technology that have been developed over the years are removed, one by one, that you expose yourself to the potential of catastrophic failure.

The good thing about all of this, I think, is that it will cause us to really think hard about HOW we do undersea drilling. More regulation is required. No doubt in my mind that is the case. And more oversight will be required. No doubt in my mind.

Yes, we're going to keep drilling- but you can bet that future leases are going to have far more attention.
 
It just pisses me off to no end that BP and their subs involved, could have fixed the problem before it happened..IT IS BP I blame now for the delay or halting of future offshore oil drilling..now we will pay OPEC dearly..course, OPEC might have been behind the whole thing...(Just a little conspiracy theory there of my own..:rolleyes:)
 
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Update today from the NOAA website- closure of some addtional fishing areas. The coastal areas of Florida are still open and fine, but they are extending another 150 miles of deep water far off-shore as now closed to any fishing.

Here's the NOAA data:

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NOAA Extends Fishing Closed Area to Portion of Loop Current as Precaution

More Than 81 Percent of Gulf Remains Open to Fishing



NOAA has extended the boundaries of the closed fishing area in the Gulf of Mexico into the northern portion of the loop current as a precautionary measure to ensure that seafood from the Gulf will remain safe for consumers.

Though the latest analysis shows that the bulk of the oil remains dozens of miles from the loop current, the new boundaries address the possibility that a tendril of light oil has entered or will enter the loop current.

The closed area now represents 45,728 square miles, which is slightly less than 19 percent of Gulf of Mexico federal waters. This leaves more than 81 percent of Gulf federal waters—or nearly 195,000 square miles—still available for fishing. The closure will be effective at 6 p.m. EDT. Details can be found at http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/.

The newly closed area is more than 150 miles from the nearest port and primarily in deep water used by pelagic longline fisheries that target highly migratory species, such as tuna and swordfish. Coastal fisheries, such as grouper, snapper and shrimp, will not be affected by the expansion of the closed area.

”The BP oil spill is unprecedented and quickly changing. The administration’s response since the beginning has been aggressive, strategic, and science-based," said Dr. Jane Lubchenco, under secretary of commerce for oceans and atmosphere and NOAA administrator. "As we expand the fishing closed area, we are doing what science demands of us and are acting with caution to ensure the safety of the seafood Americans will put on their dinner plates. We stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Gulf coast fishermen and their families during these challenging times.”

The loop current is an area of warm water that comes up from the Caribbean, past the Yucatan Peninsula, and into the Gulf of Mexico. The current is also known as the Florida current as it flows through the Florida Strait and then into the Gulf Stream as it heads north to the east coast of the U.S. Both the location of the loop current and the location of the oil slick are dynamic. Both move around from day to day. Satellite imagery on May 17 indicates that the bulk of the oil is dozens of miles away from the loop current, but a tendril of light oil has been transported close to the loop.

The federal and state governments have systems in place to test and monitor seafood safety, prohibit harvesting from affected areas, and keep oiled products out of the marketplace. NOAA continues to work closely with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the states to ensure seafood safety, by closing fishing areas where tainted seafood could potentially be caught, and assessing whether seafood is tainted or contaminated to levels that pose a risk to human health. NOAA and FDA are working to implement a broad-scaled seafood sampling plan. The plan includes sampling seafood from inside and outside the closure area, as well as dockside- and market-based sampling.

“Due to the unprecedented and ongoing discharge of oil, FDA agrees that NOAA's closure of these federal waters is one appropriate public health measure to prevent potentially unsafe seafood from being harvested and reaching consumers,” said Dr. Margaret Hamburg, FDA commissioner. “We understand that it will be necessary to continually evaluate the boundaries as the situation evolves.

“FDA will also continue to work closely with NOAA on future decisions to reopen the closed fishery,” she added.
According to NOAA, there are 3.2 million recreational fishermen in the Gulf of Mexico region who took 24 million fishing trips in 2008. Commercial fishermen in the Gulf harvested more than one billion pounds of finfish and shellfish in 2008.
 
Here's the map of the current closed fishing areas:


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That's the fishing areas currently closed.
The coastal areas of Florida are fine for now.
Keep your fingers crossed they can cap it soon!
 
The 60-Minutes piece I was talking about:

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml

I don't know if it's true, but I tend to believe 60-minutes reporting for it's accuracy far more than some other news programs.

Really?..before and or after Dan Blather left in shame?

Rather narrated for the now-defunct "60 Minutes II," in which he reported that Bush got preferential treatment during his Vietnam War-era service in the Texas Air National Guard.
Rather cited new documents CBS had obtained, but the authenticity of the documents later came under attack.
Rather kept reporting for "60 Minutes" but was dumped by CBS in June 2006 after 44 years with the network.
 
No I missed this one..So thank you sooooo Much for bringing it to this board..we can now see what is going on ..this Video I found with it is extremely important..didn't you think so too?..Hope you'll watch it this time all the way to the end...awesome truths here folks..and scary as hell!!!


Anything to get that crisis they want so bad. What does a SWAT team know about oil drilling and safety problems? Socialism at it’s best or worst, depending on who you are. They already said they want to nationalize the oil industry and this regimes wants to be like it’s hero chavez.

They’ll never listen to the end or if they do it’ll just fall on deaf ears. Rahm wants a crisis so bad he’ll make up anything..

I can’t get to my email this morning, that darn Bush,, send in the SWAT Team

Thanks for sharing Buster.
 


BP says now it's getting 5,000 barrels a day from ONE hose down there. They put a "straw" in it, and are sucking that much. Yet, it's less than half the flow out of that break, and the other break is flowing MORE now, because the restriction on the first one is rerouting oil flow out of the second one.

Bottom line- much, much more than 5,000 barrels a day going into the water still.
 
I haven’t the faintest idea whether this will work on such a big scale, but I do know locally they used hay bales to serve as spill control on construction projects having portable fuel or oil tanks to soak up any spillage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5SxX2EntEo

These guys, I know they are the Progs kind of people, work for CW Roberts, big contractor in Walton County, Florida . They have just received contract to do the “HAY THING” for all the 26 miles of Walton County, Florida beaches including Sandestin.

They start off shore with tug boats and barges spreading or blowing the hay over the oil. If this works it will make the EPA look silly.

But we’ll never know, because the state run MSM won’t cover it. Mustn’t make the regime look bad.

The main thing is, these guys are trying to come up with a plan and not whining, crying and pointing fingers at everyone and being part of the problem.

The feds should help solve this problem, that's part of their job, not agree with the prez of Mex and bad mouth our our country in front of congress and the Mex prez got applause fromn the libs, that was so shameful, again where's the shame being heaped on Cali for almost the very same immigration bill, anyhoo, they’ll (Know it all Progs in Congress) have plenty of time later to form their committees to ream out the oil industry and show how knowledgeable they are when it comes to drilling for oil, so they can take over the oil industry or totally shut it down.

If we shut down coal mining and oil drilling every time we had an accident, what would we use for energy now, not 20 years from now, right now?. Think if the feds reacted like this every time we had a salmonella scare and said lets stop farming. That’s exactly what they are acting now, oh they want a crisis so bad, so they can step in and really jam socialism down our throat.

Accidents happen, so folks don’t drive to work today, ride the subway or train, because ya may have an accident and somebody may die. For those of you that want to stop drilling or mining, be sure to disconnect your AC unit this summer, because it is about the biggest, if not the biggest consumer of power. You'll save energy and the environment, if you really believe the global warming scambola.

So come on watermelons, if you’re going to talk the talk, then walk the walk. :D

Have a good weekend all, I will becasue I'll be nuturing my 40 acres of woodlands. that I have to drive the loggers off about every 3 years, so that I can reduce the so called bad air from the atmosphere. :laugh:

Enough for my rant, it's been awhile, feels good. :D

CB

PS Rant: I can already hear the 2 or so naysayers on the MB saying it won't work, because they know it all, but we'll always have these type of wet rags dumping rahm on any idea that they didn't thnk of or that is different, but s*&^w them, these are the speed bumps that are always placed in front of new ideas. These people are useless to the building of America and I totally ignore there self rightgeous, arrogant blatherings, since they rarely if ever stay on point. But this idea has worked on smaller scales.
 
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