Oil and natural gas drilling in U.S. waters

Until ALL the Nay Sayers to oil and gas production are ALL driving Flintstone cars built out of cardboard and Elmer’s glue and doing all your cooking on wood and do all your computing on either a Chinese abacus and or a piece of black slate with calcium carbonate chalk and communicate long distances with a couple of soup cans and a length of cotton string...don't complain about OIL production and how we get it.

Because without oil..this is what you'll be doing.;)
You know we aren't going to do that, my short-timer buddy. But I think we can all agree that there are more environmentally safe methods and less environmentally safe methods of production. Or maybe we can't.
 
They just need to punt BP really hard, BP did NOT follow the safety laws. This isn't the first time with BP either.

And I don't think we will be drilling for natural gas in the middle of a city, Steady. ;P I was attempting to ask a serious question?
 
Hmm. BP rented the rig, didn't belong to them. Bush EPA said the rig outfits didn't need to equip rigs with the remote shutoffs. Was that BP's fault, or was it the lease cost of the rig was just too good to pass up? How many other companies are leasing rigs that lack the remote shutoff, I wonder?
 
Oil slick just a few miles from Louisiana coast:(

[BP gets the cleanup bill]
"....The well is now leaking from three points, BP said. Under the 1990 oil pollution act, passed in the wake of the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska, the company [BP] is required to foot the bill for the cleanup...."

[But Alevin, you're right about the rig's ownership/operations - looks like there is going to be some finger pointing]

"...BP Group's CEO, Tony Hayward, has cast blame on rig operator Transocean Ltd. for the disaster.
Hayward told CNN that the well's blowout preventer -- which he called the "ultimate fail-safe mechanism" -- has failed to shut down the well as designed...."
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/29/louisiana.oil.rig/index.html?hpt=T1
 
Blame game. I don't like that.

At this point it really doesn't matter on the blame game.

What matters is finding a way to stop the oil pumping out of the sea floor.

This one is going to be the worst ecological disaster in my lifetime.

It is as bad as it gets- and it will be all over the news for the next six months- that bad.
 
Here is the map they are putting out tonight- showing the forecast for where the oil slick will be tomorrow:

View attachment 9194

Now- picture this-

This is where the oil slick will be tomorrow. That's from one weeks' worth of oil spilling out.

Now picture what it's going to be....when they are not able to stop the flow from this --- until next January.


Think about how the entire Gulf of Mexico- from one side to the other, is going to be covered in oil.

From Mexico- up to Houston, to New Orleans, all the way over to the Florida Keys. Covered in a layer of oil slick on the beach. The Island of Cuba- beaches destroyed. The Keys- destroyed.


That folks- is what is in store, unless they can find a way to stop it.


 
Gag-inducing' fuel smell wafting over New Orleans area

Thu Apr 29, 6:43 pm ET

And so it begins.

Forecasters had predicted that the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico — five times worse than originally thought — wouldn't reach the Louisiana coast until Friday. But 20 mph winds have pushed the petroleum slick inland much faster than anticipated and, though CNN reports that as of Thursday afternoon the oil mass is still "three of four miles" from the mouth of the Mississippi River, residents of New Orleans are already under an olfactory assault that may be caused by the spill.

The Times-Picayune reports that the city has been overwhelmed by a "pungent smell" and that, though they can't confirm the odor's source, officials believe the spill is the most likely culprit.

"We're still trying to confirm that," Deano Bonano, the Orleans Parish emergency-preparedness director, told the paper. "Whatever it is, it's coming from south of us, and we have to assume it's the oil spill." Bonano added that he's received calls reporting the odor from all parts of the area.

The White House announced today that it was taking a more active role in trying to contain the burgeoning ecological disaster. At a briefing, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano labeled the accident "a spill of national significance." Governor Bobby Jindal also declared a state of emergency in Louisiana.

Meanwhile, New Orleans residents are understandably annoyed over their city being enveloped by the smell of fuel. Mandie Landry, an attorney who works in the city's Central Business District, told Yahoo! News that "it smells like it'd smell if a bus was in front of you blowing out exhaust fumes right in your face." Another local resident, Tulane University employee Laura Mogg, told us that she caught wind of the "terrible" and "gag-inducing" smell from her office building on the school's sprawling uptown campus. "I smelled it the second I opened the door," she said. "Really, it's that strong."
 
James, I'm pretty sure you are over-reacting. At 5000 bbl/d it will take months before the Exxon Valdez is reached. The gulf is very much larger than Pr William sound.

There are thousands of natural oil seeps in the gulf putting out untold quantities. We sound RPV's down and find colonies of tube worms, crabs, shrimp, etc., living off the stuff. It will evaporate or age, no problem. You'll see.
 
Good luck getting insurance for your offshore rig now, even if the offshore drilling legislation passes. :sick:
 
From: http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/too-busy-for-oil-awards/

burning-oil-rig-explosion-fire-photo11.jpg


Scratch the awards luncheon for offshore drilling safety.

The Interior Department’s Minerals Management Service, responsible for overseeing oil drilling on public land and offshore, was scheduled to present its annual award for exemplary safety and environmental management by offshore oil industry operators next week.

BP, the oil company that contracted with the rig operator of the well that blew in the Gulf of Mexico last week, leaving three men injured and 11 missing and presumed dead, was one of the finalists in the big company category.

The award was to have been presented at the Offshore Technology Conference in Houston on May 3.

“The ongoing situation with the Transocean Deepwater Horizon drilling accident has caused the M.M.S. to dedicate considerable resources to the successful resolution of this event, which will conflict with holding this ceremony next week,” the agency said in a statement on Wednesday.

“The M.M.S. will announce how the agency will proceed with the 2010 SAFE Award program during the next several weeks. The M.M.S. apologizes for any inconvenience and thanks the organizers of the O.T.C.. for their understanding of our current situation.”
 
James, I'm pretty sure you are over-reacting. At 5000 bbl/d it will take months before the Exxon Valdez is reached. The gulf is very much larger than Pr William sound.

There are thousands of natural oil seeps in the gulf putting out untold quantities. We sound RPV's down and find colonies of tube worms, crabs, shrimp, etc., living off the stuff. It will evaporate or age, no problem. You'll see.

Estimates to stop the oil flow are ranging now from 3 to 12 months to get a pressure relief well fully in place, and take the pressure off the well head that is leaking. It might take twice that long to fully stop the flow of oil from that well.

Even if they can stop it in three months (which is very unlikely), the size of the slick is going to be HUGE, and will taint the shores all the way from Mexico, around Texas, up through Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and down the Florida coast as well. Your Key West is likely to get wiped out, although it will probably be at least a month before your Islands are hit.

We'll see.


And no, I don't think I am over-reacting on this one. This one is the mother-of-all screw-ups, and is going to be devastating for a thousand miles of coastline or more.
 
Last edited:
Good luck getting insurance for your offshore rig now, even if the offshore drilling legislation passes. :sick:


No problem..Obama and company will have universal National Oil rig insurance plan...And the oil company's rigs that can afford quality Rig insurance, will get theirs free of charge..No pre-existing conditions will be turned down...Rig owners will be able to insure the workers up to age 26.
 
Map of where the oil slick is this evening, from NOAA.

View attachment 9211


Map of forecast Wind Direction for Saturday afternoon, evening.
Notice the wind will be out of the southeast, at 15 to 20 knots.
Oil booms won't stop anything in wind like that.


View attachment 9212

It could not be a worse direction for New Orleans, and Mobile.
Both are likely to feel the full effect of oil coming ashore by Sunday.



 
Estimates to stop the oil flow are ranging now from 3 to 12 months to get a pressure relief well fully in place, and take the pressure off the well head that is leaking. It make take twice that long to fully stop the flow of oil from that well.

Even if they can stop it in three months (which is very unlikely), the size of the slick is going to be HUGE, and will taint the shores all the way from Mexico, around Texas, up through Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and down the Florida coast as well. Your Key West is likely to get wiped out, although it will probably be at least a month before your Islands are hit.

We'll see.


And no, I don't think I am over-reacting on this one.
I think you are....I agree it's doozie of a mess....But,
I think you think you know more than you really do..Key West?...com-mon...can you say Exaggerated?:rolleyes:
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Document: BP didn't plan for major oil spill

By CAIN BURDEAU and HOLBROOK MOHR, Associated Press Writers Cain Burdeau And Holbrook Mohr, Associated Press Writers 1 hr 36 mins ago

MOUTH OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER – British Petroleum once downplayed the possibility of a catastrophic accident at an offshore rig that exploded, causing the worst U.S. oil spill in decades along the Gulf Coast and endangering shoreline habitat.

In its 2009 exploration plan and environmental impact analysis for the well, BP suggested it was unlikely, or virtually impossible, for an accident to occur that would lead to a giant crude oil spill and serious damage to beaches, fish and mammals.

At least 1.6 million gallons of oil have spilled so far since the April 20 explosion that killed 11 workers, according to Coast Guard estimates. One expert said Friday that the volume of oil leaking from the well nearly 5,000 feet below the surface could actually be much higher, and that even more may escape if the drilling equipment continues to erode.

"The sort of occurrence that we've seen on the Deepwater Horizon is clearly unprecedented," BP spokesman David Nicholas told The Associated Press on Friday. "It's something that we have not experienced before ... a blowout at this depth."

Amid increased fingerpointing Friday, efforts sputtered to hold back the giant oil spill seeping into Louisiana's rich fishing grounds and nesting areas, while the government desperately cast about for new ideas for dealing with the growing environmental crisis. President Barack Obama halted any new offshore drilling projects unless rigs have new safeguards to prevent another disaster.

The seas were too rough and the winds too strong to burn off the oil, suck it up effectively with skimmer vessels, or hold it in check with the miles of orange and yellow inflatable booms strung along the coast.
The floating barriers broke loose in the choppy water, and waves sent oily water lapping over them.
"It just can't take the wave action," said Billy Nungesser, president of Louisiana's Plaquemines Parish.

The spill — a slick more than 130 miles long and 70 miles wide — threatens hundreds of species of wildlife, including birds, dolphins and the fish, shrimp, oysters and crabs that make the Gulf Coast one of the nation's most abundant sources of seafood. Louisiana closed some fishing grounds and oyster beds because of the risk of oil contamination.

BP's 52-page exploration plan for the Deepwater Horizon well, filed with the federal Minerals Management Service, says repeatedly that it was "unlikely that an accidental surface or subsurface oil spill would occur from the proposed activities."

And while the company conceded that a spill would impact beaches, wildlife refuges and wilderness areas, it argued that "due to the distance to shore (48 miles) and the response capabilities that would be implemented, no significant adverse impacts are expected."

Robert Wiygul, an Ocean Springs, Miss.-based environmental lawyer and board member for the Gulf Restoration Network, said he doesn't see anything in the document that suggests BP addressed the kind of technology needed to control a spill at that depth of water.

"The point is, if you're going to be drilling in 5,000 feet of water for oil, you should have the ability to control what you're doing," he said.

Although the cause of the explosion was under investigation, many of the more than two dozen lawsuits filed in the wake of the explosion claim it was caused when workers for oil services contractor Halliburton Inc. improperly capped the well — a process known as cementing. Halliburton denied it.

According to a 2007 study by the federal Minerals Management Service, which examined the 39 rig blowouts in the Gulf of Mexico between 1992 and 2006, cementing was a contributing factor in 18 of the incidents. In all the cases, gas seepage occurred during or after cementing of the well casing, the MMS said.

While the amount of oil in the gulf already threatened to make it the worst U.S. oil disaster since the Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska in 1989, one expert emphasized that it was impossible to know just how much oil had already escaped and that it could be much more than what BP and the Coast Guard have said.

Even at current estimates, the spill could surpass that of the Valdez — which leaked 11 million gallons — in just two months.

Ian R. MacDonald, an oceanography professor at Florida State University, said estimates from both Coast Guard charts and satellite images indicate that 8 million to 9 million gallons had spilled by April 28.

"I hope I'm wrong. I hope there's less oil out there than that. But that's what I get when I apply the numbers," he said.

Coast Guard Admiral Mary Landry brushed off such estimates that suggested the rate of the leak was five times larger than official estimates.

"I would caution you not to get fixated on an estimate of how much is out there," Landry said. "The most important thing is from Day One we stood corralling resources from a worst-case scenario working back."

More: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100501/ap_on_bi_ge/us_louisiana_oil_rig_explosion
 
I think you are....I agree it's doozie of a mess....But,
I think you think you know more than you really do..Key West?...com-mon...can you say Exaggerated?:rolleyes:

Buster- here are the facts.

We don't know exactly how much is leaking, but in just seven days we have a major slick that is 130 MILES by 70 MILES large. I've marked it's approximate location in red.
View attachment 9213

They are saying now it will be a minimum of three months, and most likely much longer, before they are able to stop the flow. I HOPE they can do it sooner. But I don't think so. We'll see.

If it continues to gush out, then the oil in the current will go where the currents flow. That's to the east in the northern Gulf of Mexico, and then down the Florida coast. It is very likely that there will be lots of oil still floating on the water as the currents and wind take them. Eventually, that will be right down to Key West.

No question in my mind that IF the oil flow continues at the present rate, Key West wlll be hit too. Everything from Mexico, up and around back to Key West, is likely to be touched over the rest of the year. Think slick, but then also think blobs of oil as pieces break off. It doesn't have to be the main slick itself- it could be a chunk of slick, balls of oil, ribbons of crude floating down to Key West. Yep- it's going to be ugly. Very, very ugly. For years.

You can quote me on that.

I don't know WHEN, I just know that it will. It will all depend on winds, and currents.
 
Last edited:
I'm for drilling, but this is bad, very, very, very bad. :mad: They have to pay hard for this, they should have had preventive devises in place that actually worked. Worst problem is the cost will be passed on to the consumer for the clean up, but that IS the free market and they will over come. I just hope they pull out all the stops to save the ecosystem.
 
Priorities right now:

1. Do everything they can think of to stop the flow.

2. Evaluate what OTHER oil rigs might be equipped like, and work to put safeguards on THOSE rigs, so that this cannot happen elsewhere.

3. Clean up beaches for years.

The EPA doesn't know how to fix this one. They are asking the public for help with ideas on what to do. If you have an invention that can help, they are looking for ideas:

http://www.epa.gov/bpspill/techsolution.html
 
Whistleblower comes forward about BP issues:
"...The whistleblower, whose name has been withheld at the person's request because the whistleblower still works in the oil industry and fears retaliation, first raised concerns about safety issues related to BP Atlantis, the world's largest and deepest semi-submersible oil and natural gas platform, located about 200 miles south of New Orleans, in November 2008. Atlantis, which began production in October 2007, has the capacity to produce about 8.4 million gallons of oil and 180 million cubic feet of natural gas per day.


It was then that the whistleblower, who was hired to oversee the company's databases that housed documents related to its Atlantis project, discovered that the drilling platform had been operating without a majority of the engineer-approved documents it needed to run safely, leaving the platform vulnerable to a catastrophic disaster that would far surpass the massive oil spill that began last week following a deadly explosion on a BP-operated drilling rig.


BP's own internal communications show that company officials were made aware of the issue and feared that the document shortfalls related to Atlantis "could lead to catastrophic operator error" and must be addressed.


More:

http://www.truthout.org/whistlelowe...ling-project-gulf-vulnerable-catastrophe59027

looks really, really bad for BP today.
 
Back
Top