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Or you can now use TapaTalk again!Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
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Frixxxx
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- After thousands of years of history and the "condemnable actions" of the worst types of leaders, it seems you put alot of emphasis on the "last" administration.What makes you angry?
-What makes me angry? That Thomas Jefferson, who wrote a book, clearly stated that the "general welfare" would be bastardize to the level it is to allow certain ways of thinking be used against this country.
-What makes me angry? That anyone with an internet connection can be a freaking brainiac on issues that shows up on wikipedia. All of which is so much fluff and propoganda it is taken as truth by those who are willing to believe it.
-What makes me angry? That a self proclaimed retired marine thinks that the worlds problems are the United States government. Let alone that you disagree with the Republican side more than the Democrat side in an argument when each onion can be peeled down to the most common denominator and be found equally as guilty.
-What makes me angry? That you have not presented a case where the United States has not followed any treaty. The United Nations has not stepped in to stop us. The entity you claim is the overseer of world politics has not once stepped in.
-What makes me angry? Thinking that every time we go into the Middle East, it must be the oil. How many countries over there are our allies? Oh but no, we're not there for them....we're there for us... If the Marines thought that way, Oh, were here for everyone except the officers, or were here just for the US and not for the protection of our allies, then we wouldn't be the powerhouse we are today.
-What makes me angry? That the people we swear to defend by word, treaty and duty do not take up the banner of freedom in the same manner as we do as American's and fight until the death. I have that banner in my hand, and just because your id card is blue, should only emphasize the need to "impress upon" our allies ~ unity instead of diversity. You wedge that diversity as deep as you can with your rhetoric and inuendo.
Ad hominem? I make my attack against your argument. Not against you. Because I do not know who you are except a self-proclaimed retired marine officer. By the way, does not tell me much.
What's next Ad hominem tu quoque? How many other terms do you think you can google before we are really impressed?
Read Thomas Jefferson in entirety. Then read about Thomas Jefferson.
Cite the people who founded this country before you cite those who "think" they know what is a good nation!
Frixxxx
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Understatement ~ tenacious!
Steadygain
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Well kids I'm heading home
The President is my hero and I'm proud of him. (please picture a Southern beauty saying this with an exaggerated Southern Accent)
Nighty night ya'll -- said the same wayThen why the attack? I never write emotionally. It's good advice for you. Listen to NPR, or watch C-SPAN. I'm really not trying to impress anyone, but let me again congratulate our President on his award. If you want to read Thomas Jefferson, that's fine, but I don't think he was anywhere near this in any way.
I don't really think I support Dems more than Republicans. I've been on both sides, and I don't blame the government, just certain policies in the government. By the way, I've never attacked you on a personal level, so why not keep things civil?
The UN: they have stepped into many different conflicts.
Sources: quote your own if you like. Wouldn't bother me. As I said, if you don't like them, just read the books many other people have written.
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Frixxxx
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If you write about the market, fine. I can see every aspect of it. It shows trends and you can analyze it for the benefit of our well being financially.
If you write about core beliefs, then most people get emotional.:suspicious:
That's why there is emotion in my writing. My core beliefs that I defend a country who is out to blanket the world in the comfort of freedom. If you keep attacking that core belief, then I am a pit bull. But if you provide me with concrete fact like the following:
President Obama worked with lawmakers to put into legislation a hard and fast Health Care Program that implemented much needed TORT reform as well as encompassed the needs of the uninsured and also kept the capitalistic ventures of the Health Industry. (Man I wish I WISH it was that easy)
Instead I get this:
President Obama had beers at the White House today while lawmakers couldn't agree on how to get TORT reform into the new health care bill.
I think you can understand why praising this "image" as opposed to demanding he do his job, Executive Branch can infuriate some people.
I would like to see hard concrete items from this President. Lift Don't, Ask Don't Tell. Don't allow any increased taxes to those making under $250,000.
Just don't say you are going to do something. DO IT!
Yes you did attack me, you criminally attacked a president of the United States of America. You attack any of them, you attack me.
WorkFE
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President Obama watched two hours of College Football this past weekend...He's now in the running for the Heisman Trophy..
I'm joking , I'm joking..sit back down...
Voting started, it seems to early in the season. Man time is flying by.We elected President Obama to be the President, not the dictator of the US, or dictator of the world. Last I checked, all appropriations have to go through the Congress of the United States. In fact, all federal disbursements goes via Congress. No President can do otherwise. I remember well the government shutdown.
Basically, what you're saying is that you want our President to be some sort of dictator. He's not. Nor do I believe that he should dictate to people around the world, or to Congress. I think that's where we differ.
What has happened is that we have tried to bring this freedom, as you say, at the barrel of a gun. It seems to me that that's exactly what the soviets were trying to do. Look what happened to them. It's a short trip. They were also busy blanketing the world for democracy. When they went into Afghanistan, they thought they were liberating the country, but they ended up losing everything in the end. Now, we have 2 wars going on, trying to bring democracy by force.
How's that worked? About a trillion dollars worth in Iraq....so far. I didn't see oil getting any cheaper. By the way, all that time, did you know that American ships carried Iranian oil? An interesting fact.
Don't get emotional, not even about core beliefs. Be a realist instead. In the end, the Soviets learned much more than we did. I'm sure many of them were also very emotional about what they believed in as well. They also had some very firm core beliefs.
If you write about the market, fine. I can see every aspect of it. It shows trends and you can analyze it for the benefit of our well being financially.
If you write about core beliefs, then most people get emotional.:suspicious:
That's why there is emotion in my writing. My core beliefs that I defend a country who is out to blanket the world in the comfort of freedom. If you keep attacking that core belief, then I am a pit bull. But if you provide me with concrete fact like the following:
President Obama worked with lawmakers to put into legislation a hard and fast Health Care Program that implemented much needed TORT reform as well as encompassed the needs of the uninsured and also kept the capitalistic ventures of the Health Industry. (Man I wish I WISH it was that easy)
Instead I get this:
President Obama had beers at the White House today while lawmakers couldn't agree on how to get TORT reform into the new health care bill.
I think you can understand why praising this "image" as opposed to demanding he do his job, Executive Branch can infuriate some people.
I would like to see hard concrete items from this President. Lift Don't, Ask Don't Tell. Don't allow any increased taxes to those making under $250,000.
Just don't say you are going to do something. DO IT!
Yes you did attack me, you criminally attacked a president of the United States of America. You attack any of them, you attack me.
James48843
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Note- Frixxxx- look carefully before thinking the President can change everything overnight.
The President CAN'T "JUST DO IT" on Don't ask, don't tell.
That's not an executive branch policy. It's a law. Only Congress can do anything about it, and Congress will not do it until it is clear that the Military leadership is ok with it.
Here is the law- Public Law 103-160:
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[FONT="]H.R.2401[/FONT][FONT="]p> [/FONT][FONT="]National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1994 (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)[/FONT]
Public Law No: 103-160.
[FONT="]`Sec. 654. Policy concerning homosexuality in the armed forces[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(a) FINDINGS- Congress makes the following findings:[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(1) Section 8 of article I of the Constitution of the United States commits exclusively to the Congress the powers to raise and support armies, provide and maintain a Navy, and make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces.[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(2) There is no constitutional right to serve in the armed forces.[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(3) Pursuant to the powers conferred by section 8 of article I of the Constitution of the United States, it lies within the discretion of the Congress to establish qualifications for and conditions of service in the armed forces.[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(4) The primary purpose of the armed forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise.[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(5) The conduct of military operations requires members of the armed forces to make extraordinary sacrifices, including the ultimate sacrifice, in order to provide for the common defense.[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(6) Success in combat requires military units that are characterized by high morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion.[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(7) One of the most critical elements in combat capability is unit cohesion, that is, the bonds of trust among individual service members that make the combat effectiveness of a military unit greater than the sum of the combat effectiveness of the individual unit members.[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(8) Military life is fundamentally different from civilian life in that--[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(A) the extraordinary responsibilities of the armed forces, the unique conditions of military service, and the critical role of unit cohesion, require that the military community, while subject to civilian control, exist as a specialized society; and[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(B) the military society is characterized by its own laws, rules, customs, and traditions, including numerous restrictions on personal behavior, that would not be acceptable in civilian society.[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(9) The standards of conduct for members of the armed forces regulate a member's life for 24 hours each day beginning at the moment the member enters military status and not ending until that person is discharged or otherwise separated from the armed forces.[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(10) Those standards of conduct, including the Uniform Code of Military Justice, apply to a member of the armed forces at all times that the member has a military [/FONT]
(etc, etc. etc.)
[FONT="]`(13) The prohibition against homosexual conduct is a longstanding element of military law that continues to be necessary in the unique circumstances of military service.[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(14) The armed forces must maintain personnel policies that exclude persons whose presence in the armed forces would create an unacceptable risk to the armed forces' high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability.[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(15) The presence in the armed forces of persons who demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts would create an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability.[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(b) POLICY- A member of the armed forces shall be separated from the armed forces under regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Defense if one or more of the following findings is made and approved in accordance with procedures set forth in such regulations:[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(1) That the member has engaged in, attempted to engage in, or solicited another to engage in a homosexual act or acts unless there are further findings, made and approved in accordance with procedures set forth in such regulations, that the member has demonstrated that--[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(A) such conduct is a departure from the member's usual and customary behavior;[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(B) such conduct, under all the circumstances, is unlikely to recur;[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(C) such conduct was not accomplished by use of force, coercion, or intimidation;[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(D) under the particular circumstances of the case, the member's continued presence in the armed forces is consistent with the interests of the armed forces in proper discipline, good order, and morale; and[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(E) the member does not have a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts.[/FONT]
[FONT="]`(2) That the member has stated that he or she is a homosexual or bisexual, or words to that effect, unless there is a further finding, made and approved in accordance with procedures set forth in the regulations, that the member has demonstrated that he or she is not a person who engages in, attempts to engage in, has a propensity to engage in, or intends to engage in homosexual acts.[/FONT]
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It's not up to the President to wave a magic wand. This is at Congress's feet to initiate change. It's up to them.Last edited:
James48843
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The problem is you are expecting one man, the President, to make major changes that require the U.S. Congress to pass laws. Laws take time. Priorities are set, and they are worked through. The Economy is the priority- hence the bailout bills. Health Care is a priority- hence the last five months of dealing with Health care. Plus getting people in place, nominations and confirmation hearings, etc, etc.etc all take time.
One thing at a time.
Change is in process.
Change takes time.
You want our President to undo what took the last 8 years to mess up. It's on the way. President Obama has been in office eight months. Give him time, and support- to make change.
Show-me
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Intrepid_Timer
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Breaking News
BREAKING NEWS: This just in!!!
Obama wins the Heisman Trophy
after watching a college football
game!!!
Frixxxx
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When you said he went into Iraq under the "guise" of taking out Weapons of Mass Destruction. They were there, ask Syria where they are hiding them.
James, I'm asking him to pick up the wand. I respect the office automatically. If I don't, the system I protect is flawed. But the person IN the office needs to repsect that the people he promised to "change" things is not doing it. Have beers, date night, karaoke parties on the lawn is not getting things done.
Sorry to lump my response together, but I feel this thread is done with me. I stated my peace and must retrun to the markets already in progress.
Steadygain
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You attack the general MB almost everytime you make a post because you say many things in a way that strikes against the grain. For instance your comment about the Bay of Pigs...I never write emotionally.
Phil, by allowing myself to find a way to 'respect you' I can not only tollerate you - - but actually enjoy you.
I learned this by example when Birch enjoyed Mr. Recognizer and I (and most others) couldn't stand him.
You write emotionally everytime you express yourself and you most certainly do your best to get at other's emotions.
That's the part of you I find kind of entertaining.... :toung:
It's good advice for you.
This is probably you're most prominent tactic --- You are always taking the stand to advise and direct everyone else. You have an incredibly 'condenscending manner'
I'm really not trying to impress anyone.
You are doing your very BEST -- to impress everyone -- trying to sound like the 'expert on everything' like you know the real scoop.
By the way, I've never attacked you on a personal level, so why not keep things civil?
Then we should start another Tread -- worshipping the Soviets and showing everyone how vastly superior they are.
Humm -- again 'No Emotions' ... and 'No Attack'
Keep it comming my friend .... I find you entertaining.
Buster
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Glad you fixed your spelling of "intertaining" to entertaining...I was gonna say something about 2nd grader spelling..but let it slide..:toung:
Steadygain
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Glad you fixed your spelling of "intertaining" to entertaining...I was gonna say something about 2nd grader spelling..but let it slide..:toung:
That's a GREAT PIC -- you have of me.
My press agent assured me the public would never be able to find it
...and here it's your Ativar
