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In sections B and C, below, the United States Code gives TSP participant/members (us) the right to bring suit againt the Executive Director and the Board.
Jurisdiction is in the United District Court.


5 USC CHAPTER 84 - FEDERAL EMPLOYEES' RETIREMENT SYSTEM 01/07/2011, Section 8477.

Fiduciary responsibilities; liability and penalties.
(2) No civil action may be maintained against any fiduciary with
respect to the responsibilities, liabilities, and penalties
authorized or provided for in this section except in accordance
with paragraphs (3) and (4).
(3) A civil action may be brought in the district courts of the
United States -
(A) by the Secretary of Labor against any fiduciary other than
a Member of the Board or the Executive Director of the Board -
(i) to determine and enforce a liability under paragraph
(1)(A);
(ii) to collect any civil penalty under paragraph (1)(B);
(iii) to enjoin any act or practice which violates any
provision of subsection (b) or (c);
(iv) to obtain any other appropriate equitable relief to
redress a violation of any such provision; or
(v) to enjoin any act or practice which violates subsection
(g)(2) or (h) of section 8472 of this title;

(B) by any participant, beneficiary, or fiduciary against any
fiduciary -
(i) to enjoin any act or practice which violates any
provision of subsection (b) or (c);
(ii) to obtain any other appropriate equitable relief to
redress a violation of any such provision;
(iii) to enjoin any act or practice which violates subsection
(g)(2) or (h) of section 8472 of this title; or

(C) by any participant or beneficiary -
(i) to recover benefits of such participant or beneficiary
under the provisions of subchapter III of this chapter, to
enforce any right of such participant or beneficiary under such
provisions, or to clarify any such right to future benefits
under such provisions; or
(ii) to enforce any claim otherwise cognizable under sections
1346(b) and 2671 through 2680 of title 28, provided that the
remedy against the United States provided by sections 1346(b)
and 2672 of title 28 for damages for injury or loss of property
caused by the negligent or wrongful act or omission of any
fiduciary while acting within the scope of his duties or
employment shall be exclusive of any other civil action or
proceeding by the participant or beneficiary for recovery of
money by reason of the same subject matter against the
fiduciary (or the estate of such fiduciary) whose act or
omission gave rise to such action or proceeding, whether or not
such action or proceeding is based on an alleged violation of
subsection (b) or (c).

(7)(A) The district courts of the United States shall have
exclusive jurisdiction of civil actions under this subsection.
 
The only section we need is this one.

(ii) to obtain any other appropriate equitable relief to
redress a violation of any such provision;

Equitable relief includes injunctive relief, i.e. recission, reformation, cancellation, and/or specific performance of the 2008 IFT restriction rule.

Section 8478 sets out appointments, lengths of terms, general fiduciary duties, etc. With respect to Title 28, it's irrelevant, as we won't get money. Just reform the 2008 rule. We are close to 50 "I'm in's." I'll see if I can get an appointment with the Rose attornies soon. Also, perhaps I can enlist the help Steve Loosey (sic) of Federal Times, perhaps we can get some real help and money, if the regular TSPers would at least like to have the option be active and protect their retirement, especially, if the Board and Director coughs-up the price/cost of an IFT between all the funds, but the I fund - - making the cost of an IFT cost nothing to the fund.
 
I will be putting a phone call in to Mr. Clifford Dailing, Chairman, Employees’ Thrift Advisory Council today, 12/29, at 2pm to get his thoughs.

The theme will be straight forward, the effect of an IFT, at a number of more than 2 per month, can be made to cost nothing to the fund. The TSP fiduciaries had a duty to assess the cost of an IFT in 2008, but continue to subverted it all together by stating that the cost of an IFT could not be calculated.
It then went on to effect an 2008 IFT rule as restrictive as possible, after its members paid approximately $41 million dollars for an internet based system to do just the opposite.

The current restriction leaves its members with no margin for making an error and severely and needlessly chills a member from expending even a single IFT, effectively locking them into losses when the market goes down and precluding them from gains when it goes up. Moreover is needlessly distroys a member's willingness to be proactive with their retirement by all but distroying their ability to move between funds.

Any thoughs, comments?


http://democrats.oversight.house.gov...ny Final.pdf
 
I spoke to Mr. Clifford Dailing, Chairman, Employees’ Thrift Advisory Council, today, 12/29. He listen patiently to my concerns and suggested that I write Mr. Steven Galling, he's the representative for Uniform Services part of the Council.

In other words, try what James attempted - after being flatly ignored, even with a 4,000-signature petition. It would seem that the only way, if there is one, is to bring an injunction for the fiduciary violation, as we won't need a mass of millions, just the attorney's fee.

My next conversation should be with the Rose attornies - even if its without a retainer in hand.
 
Yeaaaaaaaa!!!!! it may not last long, but it sure is nice to be 1st on the Autotracker. it would be even nicer if we had MORE IFTs.

I sent an email to rev shark asking his thoughts on seeking injunctive relief. after all he's on the tracker, and would benefit if, TSP participants had an ability to really invest their money. I'll post his response if he makes one.

could use some more "l'm in's".
 
Thanks Konakathy, once a long time ago in 2008 I had a 23% return - IN MARCH - members back then could move (make an IFT) once each day. I was just learning.

To be honest, there are many members on this site that can show that kind of return, and more, if we only had a reason ability to move between funds, capturing profits and avoiding losses. Some say thats trying to time the market. I say, if you just pay attention, anyone can steer tomorrows curve better than just trying to drive straight down a winding road, thru snow banks, into ditches, and off cliffs with your very important retirement investment. In other words, stupidly trying to buy and hold with blinders on.

Saving adminstrative costs is not what's important, that's pennies compared to hundred dollar bills. Today, federal employees will never be able to be proactive with their TSP retirement under the 2008 IFT restriction rules. The fact is, under this needless restriction, everyone on this autotracker, for 2011, that had a return over zero percent, was lucky.

But, the fact is, many people on this very internet board could show ever federal employee in the United States, what it is to be truly responsible with their money and learn how to be effectively proactive with retirement and live their golden years with much greater peace of mind.

Friends don't let friends buy and hold. That's what we're about. Isn't it?
 
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I got lucky, I've been rediculiously waiting in I, to get back in to S, but will now wait for the market to show some more opportunity. PS KonaKathy is only #35 "I'm in".
 
I have to confess, I was one of those 'bad people' back in 2008 who got a cease and desist letter from the board because I was jumping in and out of the I fund. So, my bad, I quess. I sure made a lot of money in those few months. :D
 
Count me IN! Thanks NSurf9.

Crommie, I'll go back and recount, but I believe your #36 or #37 to say they would contribute monitarily "if a viable case can be made for injunctive relief of the TSP Plan 2008 2-transfers-per month limit.

My though right now is even if there is a pile of fiduciary violations, are the 1986 federal employees' retirement act, amendments, and related federal code, etc., written in such a manner as to not only support TSP participants to manage their accounts, but to effectively manage their TSP retirement accounts.

Any thoughts?
 
Crommie, I'll go back and recount, but I believe your #36 or #37 to say they would contribute monitarily "if a viable case can be made for injunctive relief of the TSP Plan 2008 2-transfers-per month limit.

My though right now is even if there is a pile of fiduciary violations, are the 1986 federal employees' retirement act, amendments, and related federal code, etc., written in such a manner as to not only support TSP participants to manage their accounts, but to effectively manage their TSP retirement accounts.

Any thoughts?


I wouldn't be discoraged at the lack of numbers. Most people don't like to raise their hand until they know the details of what they are getting into. Also, I have many coworkers who are not members here but would gladly help out with getting this changed. As I have said before, I only wish that I had been actively trading my TSP account from 2001 through 2008. . . Thank you for taking this on for all TSPers.
 
Crommie, thanks for the encouraging words. Its the sheer and apathy ignorance that I most afraid of to block the effort.

BigJohn, tuff decision to go to I. Hoping for some pop, but the S (small caps) look somewhat tapped-out breaking showing thru a resistance level, which may pull the I fund down lower. Also, there's a gap to fill from a couple of days ago. Economic calendar looks pretty harmless thru next week. Hopefully Iran won't blow a tanker out of the water. However, for now, if the US is feeling better thru the end of the day, we may be sufing tomorrow.

PS: EFA showed "big inflows" yesterday.

Looking today at week-over-week shares outstanding changes among the universe of ETFs covered at ETF Channel, the largest inflow was seen in the iShares MSCI EAFE Index Fund (EFA), which added 16.8 million shares, or a 2.3% increase week over week.
 
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NSurf9, I'm trying to figure out where to put my funds after I moved them out of the G fund. Do you think it's too early to put them into the I funds, they seem to be constantly dropping. Do the F funds seem to have better results?

Just trying to figure things out, I'm very new here. Thanks.
 
I thought I did this already, but "I'm in". Not the I fund, but the injunctive relief fund. Maybe we can call it the "IR fund"? It could even stand for "IFT Relief fund". :)
 
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