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Florida foreclosures were down nearly 22 percent in January, to 10,007 from 12,786 in December. We may have seen the bottom but if BHO subsidizes at risk mortgages house prices should stabilize. Why not allow two at risk families to live in the same 3,000 sq.ft. home - that would certainly be more efficient.
 
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Why not allow two at risk families to live in the same 3,000 sq.ft. home - that would certainly be more efficient.
Boy are you out of step. Efficiency is intended to work the other way. What about the word entitlement don't you understand? Watch the clip of the gent asking Obama to make aid "automatic" so that when he loses his $3000/mo job he gets the aid above unemployment insurance automatically. Now that's efficient.
 
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'Fast Money' Recap: Bank Stocks Fall Again
[SIZE=-1]TheStreet.com -3 hours ago

[/SIZE]The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 89.68, or 1.19%, to 7,465.95, while the S&P 500 lost 9.48, or 1.2%, to 778.94. The Nasdaq fell 25.15, or 1.7%, to 1,442.82. Dylan Ratigan, the moderator of the CNBC's "Fast Money" TV show, said the Dow, which has fallen to its lowest level since October 2002, continues to plunge as the market searches for answers from the banks.

"The banks, the banks, the banks. It's like Groundhog Day here," he said in exasperation.

Pete Najarian said the outlook looks bleak, with noted banking analyst Meredith Whitney saying the banks are heading down even further.

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Ratigan brought on Doug Kass, a columnist for TheStreet.com, who offered some hope in a pessimistic market. Kass said he is seeing signs that the bear market might be coming to an end in early 2010.

Kass noted several events could help turn the corner for the markets, including the magnitude of the monetary and fiscal stimulus, consumer tax cuts, lower commodity rates for corporations, lower cost of credit, and improving investment liquidity.

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Asked about U.S. equities and banks, he said U.S. equities are testing the November lows. He said he's optimistic that there will be a "big rally" at some point, though not in the 15%-to-20% range.
 
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They were all pretty bearish today. Guy was very bullish a week or two ago, and that didn't work out well. I am taking their consensus bearishness as a good sign for next week. Guest Doug Kass said there's too much fear and lows should hold, and Barton Biggs "is optimistic that the lows will hold', but has not bet heavy on it yet.
 
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http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=1288738

Spending slowdown will last 15 years, author says

Depression Ahead
Jonathan Ratner, Financial Post Published: Saturday, February 14, 2009


Mr. Dent said, predicting another strong stock market crash late in 2009 or in 2010, followed by an even deeper downturn into 2010 and 2011. As for de-leveraging, the economist expects that trend will continue into 2012 or 2013 before the economy can expand again.

In major banking crises like this, as opposed to a typical recession, things usually take about five years to work themselves out, Mr. Dent noted. This time around, he doesn't see the North American economy coming out of this demographically until the early 2020s.

As a result of the sheer size of the stimulus, the economist predicts the Dow Jones Industrial Average could rise as high as 11,800 sometime around the summer. He also thinks oil prices could bounce back to between US$80 and US$100 per barrel. However, Mr. Dent sees crude as low as US$10 between 2012 and 2014, and the Dow around 4,000 potentially sooner.
 
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As bear markets go, we're back to the 1930s experience
[SIZE=-1]Los Angeles Times, CA -2 hours ago

[/SIZE]http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2009/02/stocks-bear-mar.htmlAs bear markets go, we're back to the 1930s experience
5:18 PM, February 19, 2009

With today's drop, major stock market indexes are back to showing Depression-era declines.​

The Standard & Poor's 500 index, which lost 1.2% to 778.94, is down 50.2% from its record high reached in October 2007.

That exceeds the 49.1% total decline during the 2000-02 bear market and the 48.2% drop during the 1973-74 sell-off. Those were the worst losses of the post-World War II era -- until this bear market.​

The S&P 500 still is 3.5% above its lowest closing level reached last fall, which was 752.44 on Nov. 20. At that point it was off 51.9% from the 2007 high. But that slide below the 50%-loss threshold lasted just one day; the S&P bounced back 6.3% on Nov. 21.

There were three bear markets during the Depression years of the 1930s, according to Standard & Poor’s calculations. The worst was the 1929-32 plunge, which slashed 86.2% from the S&P 500. The second, from March 1937 to March 1938, saw the index tumble 54.5%. During the third, from late 1938 to 1942, the S&P slumped 45.8%.​

Sorry to throw out so many numbers, but I wanted to make the point: In terms of the loss of equity wealth, we now have fallen through what had been the previous worst experiences of the modern era.​

We aren’t in uncharted territory, but by the simple measure of stocks’ percentage decline from their peak, we’re in territory that hasn’t been charted since the 1930s.​
 
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http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1235286180.php


  • [FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]The economic collapse continues to deepen with no end in sight, just more spending. In general many stocks remain expensive on a historical basis.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]The week saw some major falls in the major averages. The Dow fell 6.17% and the S&P dropped 6.87% while the Nasdaq dropped 6.07%.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Dow has breached the recent lows and is on it’s way to much lower levels unless a miracle appears. The huge volume as of late is evidence that investors are wanting out and getting out. This is one ugly chart with no support until 7,000 which in all likely hood will be hit this week.
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  • [FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]Same story with S&P 500. Very ugly and weak and I expect more of the same to come over the short term. I think we will see a major rally as soon as we see some real fear. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]Short term this index is close to breaking it’s low. Bearish bets may be something to consider.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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  • [FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]While all the new spending is bad and scary this story points out that the actual deficit and obligation of the US including social security and medicare is $65.5 trillion. Accounting for these unfunded programs, which in any other business would be accounted for, the 2008 budget deficit was $5.1 trillion rather than the $455 billion stated by the Congressional Budget Office. The sad reality is that the $65.5 trillion debt exceeds the world GDP. This cannot be sustained without massive monetary stimulus which in turn reduces the purchasing power of the US dollar.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]Glen Beck used a chart to show how the US dollar is being debased. The video can be found here http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3479955&maven_refer. [/FONT]
 
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ju0KuPIVUcs8asZpLJJ7XIeeMNzAD96GPIOO0

Tough crowd: Wall Street awaits Treasury details

By MADLEN READ – 3 hours ago

NEW YORK (AP) — This week, Washington will get another chance to prove to Wall Street it means business.

Investors are expecting details on the Treasury Department's plans to fix the financial industry. The questions they want answered: How the government will decide which banks are healthy enough to be saved, how their toxic assets will be priced and how officials will convince private investors to buy them.

President Barack Obama's administration has yet to galvanize confidence on Wall Street. Last November's 11-year trading low of 741.02 for the Standard & Poor's 500 index has not yet been breached — but it could be if the government fails to show the market that its efforts are working and tell them more help is on the way, said Phil Orlando, chief equity market strategist at Federated Investors.

"We could be down 50 percent from here over the next couple of quarters depending on how much Washington disappoints us," Orlando said. "We're in this freeze right now. We need something to break this ice jam. Right now, Washington is the only one that has the power to break this jam."

So far, the multi-trillion-dollar efforts by the Federal Reserve, Treasury Department, White House and Congress have provided only short-lived bursts of optimism in the stock market. Investors, having gotten burned by buying on rumors and selling on news, are now refraining from any major moves until they see reliable, sustained data showing that the economy and financial system are getting back on track.

"They're not going to become optimistic until they see these plans we spent so much money on start to work," said Hugh Johnson, chairman and chief investment officer of Johnson Illington Advisors.

It's been a rough couple of weeks for stocks:

_ The Dow Jones industrial average is at its lowest level since October 2002.

_ Five Dow stocks are trading below $10 a share — General Motors Corp., Citigroup Inc., Bank of America Corp., Alcoa Inc. and General Electric Inc.

_ Only about 100 of the 500 stocks in the Standard & Poor's 500 index are up for the year.

_ After suffering its worst January ever, the S&P 500 is on track for its third-worst February.

Stocks are so weak because, simply, the economy is not stabilizing and no one knows when it will.

Last week, more companies revealed worse-than-expected results and forecasts. Government data showed the economy is still sliding. Investors grew more skeptical about the effectiveness of the $787 billion stimulus package signed into law. A foreclosure relief plan was met with doubt. And they fretted over not knowing how the Treasury Department intends to repair the financial system.

Because of these fears, people pulled money out of their stock mutual funds. According to TrimTabs, outflows from funds invested in stocks totaled $8.6 billion in the week ended Wednesday, up from $8.5 billion the previous week. Those were the biggest weekly outflows since the second-to-last week of 2008, when outflows amounted to $11.4 billion.

Instead, investors have been pouring what's left of their money into safe havens — particularly gold. The precious metal surpassed $1,000 an ounce on Friday, approaching the record $1,038.60 it reached in March 2008.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner will have to give the market this week sufficient insight into his plans, and help them figure out whether the industry's most worrisome players are going to survive. Citigroup and Bank of America plummeted last week on worries that the two banks would need to be nationalized.

"A lot will depend on what's in the plan. Having been disappointed once before, we're not going to make the same mistake again and bid it up on confidence, because we don't have any confidence right now," Orlando said.

Economic data will also come into focus on Wall Street, particularly now that earnings season is winding down.
This week's reports include the S&P/Case Shiller home price index; January reports on sales of new and existing homes; a January report on durable goods orders; and another estimate of fourth-quarter gross domestic product.

It's possible that in a few weeks, investors will start seeing the signs of recovery th'reey hoping for — which in turn could help ease the pressure in many corners of the capital markets.

"It's a vicious circle now, but it could become a virtuous cricle with positive feedback," Johnson said.

But market participants are still coming to terms with the fact that any economic recovery will be a long and difficult one.

"We went on a borrowing binge. We're going through a process of deleveraging the U.S. economy," Johnson said. "The best we can hope for is that we'll muddle through."
 
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At 2 minutes, 20 seconds into this C-Span video clip, Rep. Paul Kanjorski of Pennsylvania explains how the Federal Reserve told Congress members about a "tremendous draw-down of money market accounts in the United States, to the tune of $550 billion dollars." According to Kanjorski, this electronic transfer occurred over the period of an hour and threatened a further $5 trillion to be drawn out triggering a total collapse of the Financial System, which prompted Hank Paulson's emergency $700 billion TARP bailout action.

 
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February 22, 2009
Strategies
The Index Funds Win Again

By MARK HULBERT

THERE’S yet more evidence that it makes sense to invest in simple, plain-vanilla index funds, whose low fees often lead to better net returns than hedge funds and actively managed mutual funds with more impressive performance numbers.

Basic stock market index funds generally aspire to nothing more than matching the returns of a market benchmark. So in a miserable year for stocks, index funds may not look very appealing. But it turns out that, after fees and taxes, it is the extremely rare actively managed fund or hedge fund that does better than a simple index fund.

That, at least, is the finding of a new study by Mark Kritzman, president and chief executive of Windham Capital Management of Boston. He presented his results in the Feb. 1 issue of Economics & Portfolio Strategy, a newsletter for institutional investors published by Peter L. Bernstein Inc.

Mr. Kritzman, who also teaches a graduate course in financial engineering at M.I.T.’s Sloan School of Management, set up his study to accurately measure the long-term impact of all the expenses involved in investing in a mutual fund or hedge fund. Those include transaction costs, taxes and management and performance fees.

He is not the first to try such a measurement. But, he said in an e-mail message, it is surprisingly hard to measure these costs accurately. The bite taken out by taxes, for example, depends on the specific combination of positive years and losing ones, as well as the order in which they occur. That combination and order also affect the performance fees charged by hedge funds.

Mr. Kritzman devised an elaborate method to take such contingencies into account. Then he calculated the average return over a hypothetical 20-year period, net of all expenses, of three hypothetical investments: a stock index fund with an annualized return of 10 percent, an actively managed mutual fund with an annualized return of 13.5 percent and a hedge fund with an annualized return of 19 percent. The volatility of the three funds’ returns — along with their turnover rates, transaction fees and management and performance fees — was based on what he determined to be industry averages.

Mr. Kritzman found that, net of all expenses, including federal and state taxes for a New York State resident in the highest tax brackets, the winner was the index fund.

Specifically, he assumed that long-term capital gains were subject to a 15 percent federal tax and a 6.85 percent state tax; short-term capital gains and dividends were taxed at a combined federal and state rate of nearly 42 percent. The index fund’s average after-expense return was 8.5 percent a year, versus 8 percent for the actively managed fund and 7.7 percent for the hedge fund.

Expenses were the culprit. For both the actively managed fund and the hedge fund, those expenses more than ate up the large amounts — 3.5 and 9 percentage points a year, respectively — by which they beat the index fund before expenses.

IF such outperformance isn’t enough to overcome the drag of expenses, what would do the trick? Mr. Kritzman calculates that just to break even with the index fund, net of all expenses, the actively managed fund would have to outperform it by an average of 4.3 percentage points a year on a pre-expense basis.
For the hedge fund, that margin would have to be 10 points a year.

The chances of finding such funds are next to zero, said Russell Wermers, a finance professor at the University of Maryland. Consider the 452 domestic equity mutual funds in the Morningstar database that existed for the 20 years through January of this year. Morningstar reports that just 13 of those funds beat the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index by at least four percentage points a year, on average, over that period. That’s less than 3 out of every 100 funds.

But even that sobering statistic paints too rosy a picture, the professor said. That’s because it’s one thing to learn, after the fact, that a fund has done that well, and quite another to identify it in advance. Indeed, he said, he has found from his research that only a minority of funds that beat the market in a given year can outperform it the next year as well.

Professor Wermers said he believed that it was “exceedingly probable that any fund that has beaten the market by an average of more than one percentage point per year over the last decade achieved that return almost entirely due to luck alone.”
“By definition, therefore, such a fund could not have been identified in advance,” he added.

The investment implication is clear, according to Mr. Kritzman. “It is very hard, if not impossible,” he wrote in his study, “to justify active management for most individual, taxable investors, if their goal is to grow wealth.” And he said that those who still insist on an actively managed fund are almost certainly “deluding themselves.”

What if you’re investing in a tax-sheltered account, like a 401(k) or an I.R.A.? In that case, Mr. Kritzman conceded, the odds are relatively more favorable for active management, because, in his simulations, taxes accounted for about two-thirds of the expenses of the actively managed mutual fund and nearly half of the hedge fund’s. But he emphasized the word “relatively.”

“Even in a tax-sheltered account,” he said, “the odds of beating the index fund are still quite poor.”

Mark Hulbert is editor of The Hulbert Financial Digest, a service of MarketWatch.


Copyright 2009 The New York Times Company
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At 2 minutes, 20 seconds into this C-Span video clip, Rep. Paul Kanjorski of Pennsylvania explains how the Federal Reserve told Congress members about a "tremendous draw-down of money market accounts in the United States, to the tune of $550 billion dollars." According to Kanjorski, this electronic transfer occurred over the period of an hour and threatened a further $5 trillion to be drawn out triggering a total collapse of the Financial System, which prompted Hank Paulson's emergency $700 billion TARP bailout action.


I just found this article that disputes what the congressman said. http://www.portfolio.com/views/blog...anjorski-and-the-money-market-funds-the-facts
Also Olberman had someone on in the past week or so that said that it didn't happen. There's so much flying around, who or what to believe?????
 
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