InsaneZane1's Account Talk

Last year, I decided to resurrect my Ameritrade account, which collapsed to almost nothing at all before I decided to use my 2011 tax return to attempt to resurrect it. With the resurrection came a stronger interest in learning some new strategies I could pick up for my own investment decisions. I'm glad I finally started to learn a lot more about the US stock markets, because what I learned from those recent experiences supplemented by paying close attention to the musings of professional investors who boast of 25%+ returns on investment carried over directly into my TSP account. With the help, somewhat, of dumb luck, my TSP account appreciated 21.58% in 2012 (50% if you include personal and agency-matching contributions). Well, it wasn't exactly dumb. You see, I started to follow a few expert investors who all focus specifically on the S&P 500. This gives me a lot more insight into the S-Fund than I ever used to have. Still, I rarely ever bothered to check up on my TSP account, let alone manage it, more than maybe a few times throughout the entire 2012 calendar year. This is why I believe the performance of my account in 2012 is just as much a result of dumb luck as it was a calculated decision based on the knowledge I acquired from those experts over the last year.

Much of my past TSP contributions/allocations have put at least a little bit of money into all of the different funds, with a heavier emphasis on the funds that appeared to be trending upward the most on the TSP's charts. As a result, I never even invested more than 25-30% into any single fund at any time last year. But there's always been one thing about the TSP website that has always bothered me. It lacks any charts that I am so used to referring to when making decisions on what to buy or sell on my Ameritrade account. I'm used to not only seeing charts that show basic volatility of any stock I want to look at, but also being able to see trend lines and other indicators to help give me good ideas on what stocks to trade and exactly when to trade them.

I decided a few weeks ago to start doing something about this problem. Since I love working with Excel, I decided to create a spreadsheet that I could use to input the raw data (daily share prices) and allow it to automatically give me the visual information that I really want to be seeing. It's still a work in progress. I created some basic line charts initially to help get a better visual of trends to follow. Those charts were too basic, however, and I had too much going on at the time to put any effort into making the charts better to work with and also automated so that I wouldn't have to keep modifying the source data for the charts on a daily basis. I eventually scrapped the charts altogether, but I plan to bring them back - and I know exactly how I think I will set them up to function automatically. All I need to do is input the raw data straight from the TSP website.

With or without charts, I really needed to have something to work with to help me make IFT and allocation decisions. Since I love to make use of 10-day and 50-day Simple Moving Average trend lines with stocks, I decided to create a simple table in my new spreadsheet to show me how all of the TSP funds have been doing over various trading periods. I created rows for 10-day, 20-day, 50-day, 100-day, and 200-day trends. It was easy for me to create the table and even to make it function automatically. Between the daily (or mostly daily) inputs of raw data and built-in conditional formatting settings in the table, I now have a table that gives me a great idea on exactly how well all of the TSP funds have been doing at various times within the last 200 trading days. This gives me the ability to track both short-term and long-term trends, which I'm hoping will allow me to decide when to make what kind of IFT. It's going to be a work in progress, however, as the short-term volatility has thus far made it very difficult for me to make a good decision on exactly how much of my money to put in which funds without pushing the ridiculous 2x/month limits that the TSP has on IFTs. I swear, this limit is specifically why I didn't pay much attention to my TSP account in the last year. It's also why I've decided I'd much rather move all of my money into my Ameritrade account so I can decide as often as I please what to do with my money. If it wasn't for agency-matching contributions, I would have already completely abandoned my TSP account in favor of putting all of it into my Ameritrade account.

Well, the situation is what it is though. I'm not about to pass on a chance at getting "free" money, so I have chosen to continue to allocate 5-6% of my income to my TSP account so that I will get the maximum benefit of agency matching. Okay, so enough with the rambling about all this. I'm new to this site but it appears that this forum is intended for us to post our thought processes as they pertain to our own accounts. Well, the above represents my basic thoughts on the TSP in general and why I allocated/moved my funds the way I did. So where does this leave me now? What is this new spreadsheet telling me now that I intend to use to make decisions with my TSP account?

I haven't bothered yet to put enough raw data into my spreadsheet to give me any 200-day trends, but I did input enough to obtain 10-, 20-, 50-, and 100-day trends. Over the longer 3 periods, the S fund has done considerably well - even more so in the last 50 trading days than in the last 100 (12.63% increase vs. 10.48%). The S and C funds have been running neck and neck for the lead over the last 10 periods. The C fund has even done very well in the last 20 periods yet the S fund is still the hands down winner in anything longer than 10 periods. I like to focus more attention on shorter-term trends but the 10-day trend alone is too volatile. So I've decided to factor in the 20-day trends as well in the hopes that it will help smooth out some of that shorter-term volatility and help me decide when to do an IFT.

Now that I know that some funds are clearly performing better than others over both the short and long terms, I've decided to focus my money specifically on the 4 funds that have had the best overall trends and will avoid the funds that are growing at the slowest rates (or might even be declining). I expect to experience some volatility in everything, but I think the overall trends will best help me decide on what to do with my money. At the moment, I have my money in the following: S-Fund (35%), I-Fund (30%), C-Fund (20%) and L-2050 (15%). I seriously considered moving money away from the I-Fund tomorrow because it's the 2nd slowest grower over the last 20 trading days and is the only one to be negative over the last 10 periods. I'm really not sure how soon I want to make that decision, however, as I just did an IFT on Friday and I don't want to burn my only other IFT for the month the very next day with data that I still need to fine-tune. I've decided to give it a few more days so I can give my data a chance to stabilize enough to allow changes in my data to be apparent less frequently. In short, I'm trying to settle down some of the leap-frogging that has been going on since I started working with this spreadsheet before I decide to burn my only remaining IFT for the month on a potentially bad move.

I intend to eventually share this spreadsheet with anybody who might be interested in using it but I'd like to first get the important part of it a little more stable, as well as re-introduce functioning (and automated) charts to help visualize trends.
 
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[TR]
[TD="colspan: 11"]Short-Term and Long-Term Trends[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]L Income[/TD]
[TD]L 2020[/TD]
[TD]L 2030[/TD]
[TD]L 2040[/TD]
[TD]L 2050[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]F[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]S[/TD]
[TD]I[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10D Chg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.21%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.45%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.57%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.65%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.71%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.05%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.02%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.29%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.15%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.24%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]20D Chg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.63%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.50%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.90%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.19%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.44%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.12%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.35%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.25%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.32%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.06%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]50D Chg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.95%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.96%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.25%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.22%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.17%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.29%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.61%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.11%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12.63%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9.22%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]100D Chg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.07%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.74%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.84%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.67%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.49%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.57%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.39%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.60%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.48%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.14%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Welcome to the Forums InsaneZane1 and thanks for the information.
Best of luck with your investments.:D
Norman
 
Okay, I created an automated 200-day chart that shows all 10 of the funds. The problem is that I'm getting error messages saying the text that I entered is too long when I try to copy/paste it into here for you guys to see. I have a couple of more tweaks to do to other parts of the spreadsheet so I can make it a little more user-friendly for other people who might want to make use of it. I'm guessing I won't be able to copy/paste the chart into here no matter what I do, so I'll instead ask for people to check out the entire spreadsheet once I simplify the interface a little more.

I wish I could show it here but one thing it did show me that the table I posted earlier did not show me is that the I-Fund might only be going through a brief roll-back trend. All of the other stock market funds seem to be continuing their strong upward direction, so I think right now might be a good time to put more money into the I-Fund. Since I already have 30% of mine in the I-Fund and 35% in the S, I'm probably just going to keep everything where it is for now until a more solid trend proves that I should consider another IFT.
 
The problem is that I'm getting error messages saying the text that I entered is too long when I try to copy/paste it into here for you guys to see.

I believe the text limit is 10k, so anything over that will get killed. I have tried to post long tables and I had to break it up into multiple posts (every 30 seconds, another limit).
 
I ran into the same problem trying to post some tables from a spreadsheet. You are limited to 10,000 characters and the code to generate tables takes quite a bit I guess. I ended up taking a screen capture of the tables and posting them as a graphic.
 
Okay, I created an automated 200-day chart that shows all 10 of the funds. The problem is that I'm getting error messages saying the text that I entered is too long when I try to copy/paste it into here for you guys to see. I have a couple of more tweaks to do to other parts of the spreadsheet so I can make it a little more user-friendly for other people who might want to make use of it. I'm guessing I won't be able to copy/paste the chart into here no matter what I do, so I'll instead ask for people to check out the entire spreadsheet once I simplify the interface a little more.

I wish I could show it here but one thing it did show me that the table I posted earlier did not show me is that the I-Fund might only be going through a brief roll-back trend. All of the other stock market funds seem to be continuing their strong upward direction, so I think right now might be a good time to put more money into the I-Fund. Since I already have 30% of mine in the I-Fund and 35% in the S, I'm probably just going to keep everything where it is for now until a more solid trend proves that I should consider another IFT.
I like your charts/table. I also like your comments, particularly those about the I fund due for a surge. You've obviously spent some time preparing the table and summarizing. Please continue to post. I too feel the I fund will show better gains. I've read where the Fed is putting billions into Europe's monetary system, just as it did for our's. Also I've seen a Bloomberg video of a discussion about the upcoming, better performance of the Euro. Correct me if I'm wrong but this sounds beneficial for the I fund. Please don't ask me to cite this information because I'll then have to research where I've been in the last 3 days, surfing for market news. I never was very good at backing my comments. If theres a clamor for it, I'll try to find the relating sites.
 
I ran into the same problem trying to post some tables from a spreadsheet. You are limited to 10,000 characters and the code to generate tables takes quite a bit I guess. I ended up taking a screen capture of the tables and posting them as a graphic.

After trying to copy/paste directly from the spreadsheet, your suggestion of posting a screen cap is exactly what I tried next. Unfortunately, it was WAY over the 10,000-character limit as well. I'll have to explore other options, such as possibly shrinking the chart to a smaller dimension for web-display purposes.

One problem I did just notice, however, is that I'm using a formula in one area that is available to my personal installation of Office 2010 but is not available to the Office 2007 that is on the workstation I am currently using. This causes errors in the section that refers to the cells with the formulas. It only affects a section that provides a basic suggestion on how much to allocate to which funds, based on recent performance. Do I leave it as it is? Do I modify the formula I'm using to one that is useable with any version/configuration of Excel? That is the question. I'm considering leaving it the way it is since Office 2013 is now already out, plus those of you who use this file can probably figure out on your own where you want to put what funds.
 
I like your charts/table. I also like your comments, particularly those about the I fund due for a surge. You've obviously spent some time preparing the table and summarizing. Please continue to post. I too feel the I fund will show better gains. I've read where the Fed is putting billions into Europe's monetary system, just as it did for our's. Also I've seen a Bloomberg video of a discussion about the upcoming, better performance of the Euro. Correct me if I'm wrong but this sounds beneficial for the I fund. Please don't ask me to cite this information because I'll then have to research where I've been in the last 3 days, surfing for market news. I never was very good at backing my comments. If theres a clamor for it, I'll try to find the relating sites.

Now that you mention it, I did read/hear some chatter recently about how the European market is no longer in the crisis it was in last year. I haven't paid very much attention to the Nikkei or other international markets though, but I would think all of them would affect the I-Fund to some extent.
 
I'm doing an IFT today.

Old:
15% - L-2050
20% - C
35% - S
30% - I

New:
15% - L-2050
15% - L-2040
30% - C
40% - S

This decision is based on the well-defined trend of the funds mentioned in the "new" section having the best combined short-term and long-term performance. I really wanted to keep at least some of my money in the I-Fund but I'll instead pull out of it and wait til it proves that it is back on the upswing.

[TABLE="width: 775"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]L Income[/TD]
[TD]L 2020[/TD]
[TD]L 2030[/TD]
[TD]L 2040[/TD]
[TD]L 2050[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]F[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]S[/TD]
[TD]I[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10D Chg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.09%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.09%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.12%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.14%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.12%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.06%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.12%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.71%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.06%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-1.49%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]20D Chg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.61%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.43%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.80%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.07%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.31%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.12%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.36%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.30%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.12%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.61%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]50D Chg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.76%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.39%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.52%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.37%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.19%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.30%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.55%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.58%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11.43%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.13%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]100D Chg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.71%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.74%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.59%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.24%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.86%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.58%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.31%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.82%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9.06%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.80%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]200D Chg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.82%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.37%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.22%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11.60%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12.91%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.14%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.44%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]13.06%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16.27%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15.07%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
welcome and good luck! why'd you jump out of I fund? I thought now would have been the time to hold it, looks like it's in the process of bouncing
 
Awesome. I'm liking your tables and insights in the market, keep em' coming, good to have you on board!
 
Thanks! Will do just that. I definitely won't claim to be the smartest investor though. There is a lot that I've learned over the last year but there's also a lot I still need to learn. I just know that everything has some degree of volatility regardless of trends. Right now, the I-Fund has yet to prove to me that it has hit the bottom of its current short-term trend. It seems to be getting consistent resistance in the $21.68-$21.70 range over the last week, so I'll reconsider buying back into it in March if it can prove that it can get back above that point and stay there.

In the meantime, I'd rather move in the direction of funds that still have clear upward trends while I wait for the I-Fund to bounce back.
 
[TABLE="width: 775"]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 11"]Hopefully the picture of the chart will show up this time. Wednesday's prices mark the first time since making my spreadsheet that I've seen the F-Fund below the point it was at 2 weeks ago. The I-Fund is continuing to prove that it is struggling to forge ahead to higher prices. The chart suggests that the S-Fund is continuing to show consistently strong progress at the moment.

Short-Term and Long-Term Trends
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]L Income[/TD]
[TD]L 2020[/TD]
[TD]L 2030[/TD]
[TD]L 2040[/TD]
[TD]L 2050[/TD]
[TD]G[/TD]
[TD]F[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]S[/TD]
[TD]I[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10D Chg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.27%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.59%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.74%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.86%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.95%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.06%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.12%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.61%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.99%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.40%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]20D Chg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.69%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.71%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.15%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.48%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.79%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.12%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.64%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.42%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.53%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.06%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]50D Chg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.89%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.76%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.99%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.92%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.81%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.29%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-0.78%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.36%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12.33%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.71%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]100D Chg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.76%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.89%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.79%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.47%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.13%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.58%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.22%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.02%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9.51%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8.25%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]200D Chg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.53%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.56%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9.19%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10.40%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11.56%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.14%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.35%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11.41%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14.51%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]13.88%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

TSP Chart.jpg
 
I had a feeling I should have done an IFT toward the G once S&P hit 1520 last week. I like to follow the experts at Zacks.com (particularly, Steve Reitmeister). He had predicted that the 1520 level would be tested. He also predicted (correctly thus far) that the 1500 level would be where we could expect to find support. Sure enough, after getting my February gains completely wiped out - and then some - in just the last two days of trading, the S&P did appear to find good support at 1500. He says there is no reason to truly believe that the bull market has ended yet, so it shouldn't be long before the 1520 level gets passed and left behind. I'm keeping my funds where they are, based on this.
 
It's been quite a while since I paid much attention to the forums on this site. I've been regularly using the AutoTracker even since I went inactive, but something compels me to get back on here again. Here are some charts I created for each of the main funds.

I was 80S/20C recently, but I did an IFT to 30S/70I yesterday. With the C Fund testing its previous high, I just wasn't sure how much higher to expect it to go. The overall results of the current earnings season suggests to me we should be continuing the bullish trend. However, I instead decided to lean more heavily toward the I Fund since its technicals are fairly healthy and it has plenty of room to climb before it tests its previous high. The S Fund also seems to have more room to climb than the C Fund. As such, I decided to use IFT#2 for the month on this 30S/70I posture for the time being.

The S Fund is still 1.73% off its previous high, while the I Fund is 3.32% away. I'm hoping the next week will continue to go as well as the last 2 weeks have gone. I'm shooting for a 5%+ month in August and wouldn't mind getting closer to 6% before September comes. Barring any geo-political noise, I think a 30S/70I posture should get me somewhere in that neighborhood. I'm shooting for an IFT toward the G Fund before the end of the month so I can lock in gains and wait for a dip sometime in September to move back into the volatile funds.

TSP Trends - 20140821.pngC Fund - 20140821.jpgF Fund - 20140821.jpgI Fund - 20140821.jpgS Fund - 20140821.jpg
 
With or without Jackson Hole going on, I'm not surprised the markets are flat today. The fast jump by the C and S Funds did allow them to get a bit far above the 10-day average for my taste. The fact that the C Fund breached Fib-100 and the S&P seeming to be holding that level today makes me wonder if this is just a good place to rest and let 10DMA catch up to the current price. The C Fund did this same thing in late May and early June when it traded flat for about a week before bouncing off of 10DMA once that line caught up to the current price. I'm going to bet on something near S&P 2025 being the eventual next resistance point.

DWCPF was slightly in the negative earlier this morning but it's now up 0.18%. I wouldn't mind seeing this one stay flat for a few days for the same reason as the C Fund - let 10DMA catch up, plus it may help RSI get a little further from that "overbought" flag.
 
C and S Funds are definitely doing exactly what I was hoping they would do - flatten out and allow 10DMA to rise and narrow the gap between the two.

I'm getting a little worried about the I Fund right now though. The price found resistance twice in a row at 100DMA. I'm also concerned with the fact that 50DMA is falling toward 100DMA and appearing to be within a week of crossing over 100DMA. This would suggest a bearish divergence to me. The 10DMA is not far below the current price though. I'm hoping to see Monday's closing price bust through the 100DMA resistance. If it's able to climb above it and 10DMA also crosses over 100DMA, I'm going to really hope its a sign that the I Fund will soon be off to the races as well, which would bode well for my current 30S/70I position.
 
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