Show-me
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Amen Sister!
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How About a POLITICS subforum
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Amen Sister!
It was a good idea, but it just may be too much to handle right now. Let's keep these type of threads in the lounge and see how it goes.
Now, did you hear the one about the priest, the rabbi, and the blonde...
ATCJeff
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Well, I guess you made a fair case
But equating a political statement with a dirty sexual joke - I'll have to think about that one.
I would not use the word "equating." The point was different people have different tolerances when it comes to language or view points. A great example would be Roe v. Wade. It is one of the most controversial and politically significant cases in U.S. Supreme Court history. I promise if I started a thread on this topic, it would lead to many problems. Problems that have nothing to do with our TSP accounts.
I don't think there is a moderator on this site that would be willing to take on the responsibility of a thread on politics. If there is someone, I would want the chance to vet his or her political view point to determine if there is a bias. See where this is going........
Miss_Piggy
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Well, I guess you made a fair case
But equating a political statement with a dirty sexual joke - I'll have to think about that one.
Anyway, I'm not that invested in a political thread - just thought it might be a good idea. I know it was an emotional thread and I think we did pretty good by it (minus the dirty sexual jokes - lol)
ATCJeff
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Tom,
All the political discussions we have had doesn't really fall under the idea of a "Lounge."
How about having a thread titled, POLITICS, under "Miscellaneous Stuff?"
I see useful exchanges of ideas and conversations developing about Obama's decisions, appointees and other matters.
I agree with Show-me.
It's time for this nation to heal and support our president-elect. I would hate to see someone leave this site over politics. This site is about TSP. We have some very talented people that contribute daily, I would hate to lose any of them over something we can refrain from discussing.
My 2 cents....
Rod
Well-known member
After reading the replies, it just may be a good idea to keep a politics thread out of TSP Talk.
If someone wants to talk politics, which usually degenerates into an argument, as does debating religion, then simply go some place else.
I sincerely doubt when Tom created TSP Talk that debating politics was on the agenda. So, why start now.
If someone wants to talk politics, which usually degenerates into an argument, as does debating religion, then simply go some place else.
I sincerely doubt when Tom created TSP Talk that debating politics was on the agenda. So, why start now.
Silverbird
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Not sure about a Politics subforum. What is it's purpose? If it is for predictions of cabinet members, congressional manuvering? Or is it for arguing policy? Giving TSPtalk members heads up and insight into policies? This gets a little tricky as depending on your job, your insight into policies may run very strongly in one direction, which may bias your overall viewpoint. And naturally, what postings you put in may reflect personal bias (yes I'm a Blue Dog, and I'm going to rant about off budget spending, and think paying for it - you know, Taxes? is being responsible).
It was inevitable we would end up with a folder for the election, passions and predictions ran very hot. But politics as a major subcategory...not sure on that one.
It was inevitable we would end up with a folder for the election, passions and predictions ran very hot. But politics as a major subcategory...not sure on that one.
It's not our practice to divulge that info, but I had a point in mentioning you, and it was not meant to be negative. We have had dozens of reported posts over the years and yes, you had one, and we acted quickly on it. No biggie. My point was that what offends one person may not offend another.
You have recently started several controversial threads that can become difficult to moderate (and that's OK). Prior to the election, your signature that referred to prosecuting Bush for murder could have been considered offensive to some, but it was a sexual joke that offended you (I only mention it because you already did). So by reporting a post, you have shown that even you have a limit to what you believe is acceptable. Your complaint was justified, so we acted. Personally, I find a sexual joke less offensive than berating the president, but that's why we all have to be careful. We never know who might be offended by something we say.
So the point of my post was to defend ourselves against being accused of censorship. I am not censoring you or those who want a political thread. I was just making the point as to why it may not be in our best interest to create a political thread, because things can get out of hand when talking about controversial subjects and some people can be offended, and you never know who that person will be.
Miss_Piggy
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I take umbrage at you mentioning my name as a complaintant. I thought it was anonymous.
In addition, my complaint had nothing to do with politics and I had no part in initiating what was just someone who took an opportunity to make a dirty joke in public that happened to be on our political thread.
Since the issue has become public I don't mind repeating the dirty joke so members can judge for themselves. It went something like this: "We know baldheaded men get more head"
Sorry but I just felt I needed to defend myself here. It's all Buster's fault - just kidding.
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I will think about adding a political subforum, but one of our moderators would have to agree to keep an eye on it. I'll see if anyone is willing.
To tankrat who said:
It's not the content that we would be worried about, it's the bashing and sometimes offensive remarks aimed at other members and/or political leaders during the heat of battle. If you were the target of these remarks you would not appreciate it and would likely complain or retaliate - and that's when the forum would fall apart. We are not new at this.
There is a reason that this forum is one of the most civil and respected online, and we'd like to keep it that way. That doesn't mean we won't create a political forum, but understand that moderating is not meant to censor content, but rather a way of keeping things on a civil and professional level.
I will see if we can find someone to moderate a political forum. I would prefer that it was one of our current moderators (spaf
) but I would consider others. It would have to be someone we all respect, trust, is not overly partisan, and has the time to spend on something like this.
To tankrat who said:
You have to understand we deal with people reporting posts all the time that they are offended by (including miss piggy).
It's not the content that we would be worried about, it's the bashing and sometimes offensive remarks aimed at other members and/or political leaders during the heat of battle. If you were the target of these remarks you would not appreciate it and would likely complain or retaliate - and that's when the forum would fall apart. We are not new at this.
There is a reason that this forum is one of the most civil and respected online, and we'd like to keep it that way. That doesn't mean we won't create a political forum, but understand that moderating is not meant to censor content, but rather a way of keeping things on a civil and professional level.
I will see if we can find someone to moderate a political forum. I would prefer that it was one of our current moderators (spaf
) but I would consider others. It would have to be someone we all respect, trust, is not overly partisan, and has the time to spend on something like this.Alert- internet financial/personal data scam at some Obama acceptance speech link. See story following: http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2008/11/uab_warns_of_obama_cyber_scam.html
Re politics subforum, perhaps Ms. Piggy may have had some parameters or particulars in mind for scope and direction.
While it might be beneficial for local citizens to engage in discussions/forums regarding hopeful improvements in the broad range of American public policy, what's the chance of that happening? The topic sounds so dry, it probably turns off 90%, ok 95% of the public. Was it like this years prior to writing the American Constitution? Underlying Patrick Henry, Tom Paine, the Federalist Papers, Franklin, Adams, Jefferson, etc was it the same old, same old with the rich and powerful southern landowners and northern businessmen making all the decisions, no matter what the public discussion was?
To motivate citizens to action, doesn't it normally require a well publicised issue that really upsets the public - a tea tax, a war based on a lie? Even then what are the best ways to constructively focus that concern or anger? Amazingly, despite the ending administration's lies and National Socialist leanings, there has been only muted concern and a few mild and muted protests. Can the polls be right, that almost 30% of our population still like and support Bush and his policies?
Beside the Berkeley, Madison, Santa Monica's how many local communities have venues/ groups to discuss and research existing public policy or other public concerns? I suppose an obvious answer is asking, how do any existing groups, charities, businesses get started-by highly committed, disciplined and motiviated citizens. Can the enthusiasm for "change" generated by the last election be translated or realized into more specific and substantive demonstration projects or proposals across the country? As far as Obama is concerned, has this process already occurred, or should it?
Is hope just another word for nothing left to lose?
Re politics subforum, perhaps Ms. Piggy may have had some parameters or particulars in mind for scope and direction.
While it might be beneficial for local citizens to engage in discussions/forums regarding hopeful improvements in the broad range of American public policy, what's the chance of that happening? The topic sounds so dry, it probably turns off 90%, ok 95% of the public. Was it like this years prior to writing the American Constitution? Underlying Patrick Henry, Tom Paine, the Federalist Papers, Franklin, Adams, Jefferson, etc was it the same old, same old with the rich and powerful southern landowners and northern businessmen making all the decisions, no matter what the public discussion was?
To motivate citizens to action, doesn't it normally require a well publicised issue that really upsets the public - a tea tax, a war based on a lie? Even then what are the best ways to constructively focus that concern or anger? Amazingly, despite the ending administration's lies and National Socialist leanings, there has been only muted concern and a few mild and muted protests. Can the polls be right, that almost 30% of our population still like and support Bush and his policies?
Beside the Berkeley, Madison, Santa Monica's how many local communities have venues/ groups to discuss and research existing public policy or other public concerns? I suppose an obvious answer is asking, how do any existing groups, charities, businesses get started-by highly committed, disciplined and motiviated citizens. Can the enthusiasm for "change" generated by the last election be translated or realized into more specific and substantive demonstration projects or proposals across the country? As far as Obama is concerned, has this process already occurred, or should it?
Is hope just another word for nothing left to lose?
Miss_Piggy
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You making fun of me?
KevinD
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Show-me
Well-known member
Kevin,
It's like a car wreak, you can't look away. Plus, I am a moderator and would have to chase all of the post that members would flag because they feel they are inappropriate. I don't mind being moderator I do not like being baby sitter.
Eventually someone will say something to someone that will be offensive in their opinion or a personal attack will happen out of frustration.
So do we allow any language or comment in this thread and tell people if they do not like what they see go away and don't come back? Even in the election thread there were complaints and the title of the thread warned you about the content.
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