House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks

That your use of the phrase was that of a qualifier and not a tautology.

Its like politicians saying they are "for the children." On my local level, we have one running on a platform of "tired of waiting in lines." Seriously. Show me someone who is against either.

The problem arises when its used as a qualifier to imply that the other position is counter the idea. I'm for the children so he must be against them. Or in this case, personal responsibility must be part of the solution to mean that it is not part of the solution in place now.

Look ChemEng,

Personal responsibility is to man up and take the blame for screwing up and I see so much effort by people looking for some one else to blame for their mistake or circumstance that it's sickening or sitting around for Uncle Sugar to come thru with money instead of getting off your butt and start to make circumstances better.

We obviously have a generation gap thing or something going on here and it being Friday and I’m sitting here at home with a cold one, I’ve done beating my head against the wall, cause at 4:30 everyday, the internet is turned off and I spend the evening enjoying my outdoors and family.

Now my outlook on life is pretty simple and being an evil conservative it’s pretty black and white and very little room for excuses. I'm not a nuance type guy, who tries to dissect every word and statement so as to twist it around. I can read between the lines on folks and don't require all the t's crossed and i's dotted, so I'll try to keep this as plain and simple as possible.

I’m very fiscally conservative and think you cut spending before you add an additional tax load to the public. Adding taxes is the lazy and dumb man's way out and should be the last option considered. We all know of the vast gov’t waste. And it takes some serious thinking to come up with some creative ideas, instead of reaching into the successful person's pocket and givng it to the lazy man. Anyone can come of with that and I expect more thinking from our Prez, than "Lets raise taxes". I can't raise taxes, I have to cut my spending.

I believe that if someone needs help and is willing to work for it, then it is Gov’ts responsibility to help them better themselves. I actually do believe education should be a lot more available, but they must maintain a B average and repay any loans, even if that means garnishment of wages.

Charity begins at home and I believe sending our tax dollars to any government that isn’t friends of ours should be stopped. Europe and the other countries could stand pick up the load and doing more of the heavy lifting instead of always pointing all that is wrong with America. That alone would free up billions of tax dollars for our programs.

I believe in human rights and any violation should be stopped, but we can’t do it all, so that’s a whole other can of worms and a discussion for another time, but they’ll always be evil in this world and the best we can do is protect our country first.

I believe if you do the crime, you do the full time, no if’s ands or buts. I believe strongly in the Powell and one of the Bush doctrines. If someone says they are going to harm me or mine, then I’ll be sure to get the first punch in with everything I have. My word is my bond. I have never backed off my word. And anyone that hits a woman, child or animal, should be tied to the nearest tree and horsewhipped.

Now this whole conversation has really turned boring, especially to others here on the forum. because I am who I am and you are who you are and nothing will change that. And last of all, I’m not politically correct.

Now you can spin or nuance this anyway you feel like, you’d make a good lawyer, but I tried to keep it pretty straight forward and simple, so there would be no misunderstanding.

Crack a cold one and chill out man, it’s the weekend. :) It's 4:32. :laugh:

CB
 
I give up! There is no hope! Must be some kind of MIND CONTROL?:notrust: scream.gif
 
Now this whole conversation has really turned boring, especially to others here on the forum. because I am who I am and you are who you are and nothing will change that. And last of all, I’m not politically correct.
Not trying to change either. It was a slow day around the office today, which is probably why I associated the socialism question to this thread. Any other day and I would have been distracted with work. Have a great weekend CB. More time to talk later, appreciate the discussion...
 
What is this? Am I reading this right. Another tax hike by abolishing matching fees on our contributions. The libs/socialists just can't wait to tax us. If I'm reading this wrong please let me know, but I sure don't like the sound of it. The Nanny state is already eye balling our money.


http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/58.php

CB
I think it's a good idea. Why should tax payers subsidize your retirement? Govt employees get payed too much anyway. Private sector employees do a better job and get payed less. You should also pay taxes on your health insurance. You pay more taxes, I pay less.
 
I think it's a good idea. Why should tax payers subsidize your retirement? Govt employees get payed too much anyway. Private sector employees do a better job and get payed less. You should also pay taxes on your health insurance. You pay more taxes, I pay less.
And the peanut gallery has spoken!:suspicious:
 
I think it's a good idea. Why should tax payers subsidize your retirement? Govt employees get payed too much anyway. Private sector employees do a better job and get payed less. You should also pay taxes on your health insurance. You pay more taxes, I pay less.
'Scuse me?????? Maybe I read that wrong. :rolleyes:

Lady
 
Notice my previous post, Heck of a statement for a first-time poster.
Agree! Over a decade of my 3+ decade professional work history is in private industry. I've seen both sides in-depth. I can say with rock-solid confidence that no group works harder or smarter under more adverse conditions (like red tape, outmoded tools, etc., etc. ...) than the average group of federal workers. :cool:

Can I get an 'amen,' brother? :toung:

Lady
 
Agree! Over a decade of my 3+ decade professional work history is in private industry. I've seen both sides in-depth. I can say with rock-solid confidence that no group works harder or smarter under more adverse conditions (like red tape, outmoded tools, etc., etc. ...) than the average group of federal workers. :cool:

Can I get an 'amen,' brother? :toung:

Lady
AMEN!
 
I take that to mean you agree with the premise behind the article.
Absolutely not. But even though CB and I agree about the article, I thought it was interesting that we both got to the same answer from very different starting points. Hence the discussion.
 
You can bet the Donkeys will reintroduce cost containment from the Carter years - try living through that in the work place.
 
Notice my previous post, Heck of a statement for a first-time poster.

It's got to be whats known as a fake n00b. Some member here registered another account and is trolling the board.

An admin could check the IP address to see if there are more than one member from the same IP.
 
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I was totally shocked by this article which I pulled up at lunch from another source, but thanks CB. I've been tied up in projects.
http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/58.php
Seems like, they know some people can't or won't plan for retirement. SSA can't help much then they are going to rob those who do plan ahead for retirement. Tax them so that everything is 'fair?'. This is insane just let (the system, the market, the world) correct itself and leave us :worried: soon-to-be-retirees?(22 years togo?) It's not a big issue now but when there's issues, express them! :sick: I'm kind of scoping around for a quick pick up on a good house deal, so I'll always be needing more capitol around, both now and especially later. I don't want my money robbed by Obama's taxes. Happy Weekend, everyone

Yea it shocked me to danny,

I found it on the Fedsmith website who had linked to the article, instead of writing the article themselves. The following link are the comments Fedsmith received from fellow federal employess, regarding the story.

http://www.fedsmith.com/headline/comment/9815/start/0/

You have a good weekend also, :D 40 degrees here this morning, I may have to start a small fire in the living room downstairs just to take off the chill. Not worth running the furnace yet.

CB
 
Absolutely not. But even though CB and I agree about the article, I thought it was interesting that we both got to the same answer from very different starting points. Hence the discussion.


Agree with me? that's sure is a funny way to show agreement and gain respect, by nit picking terms, lnaguage and any nuance you can find. I guess I'm more of a stright shooter and don't try to bust somones ba!!s over such minutiae. Where I come from we have names for folks like that. ;) I'll keep your discussion technique in mind for future discussions. It'll make things must easier on me. :laugh:

So I take it you have the same beliefs I have on things, that I outlined when I simplified my stance on various subjects or are you just just deftly avoiding any comment on them, so as to remain in the closet on such things? :rolleyes: Reminds me of the Sheriff's Dance Scene, Charles Durning, scene in the "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas". That was the best part of the movie. Anyway, each to his own, that's what makes the world go around.

Eh, it's to early and it's the weekend to bust on someone, I already know the answer, we have 3 or 4 folks in our office that are exactly the same way when responding or debating.

Have a good weekend and may the markets smile on us next week, though Tuesday could be a very wild day with this Lehman/AIG bail out due, something to the effect that the US may have to write billions of dollars in checks to Hedge funds who had enormous policies on Lehman thru AIG, something like 4X's the amount of the value of AIG and these hedge funds were the people who circled Lehman like a pack of wolves and brought it down, though Fuld's stupidity made it easier for them.

No hard feelings here, I'm to old for that type of crap and it sure as heck doesn't do any good. :D

CB
 
I think it's a good idea. Why should tax payers subsidize your retirement? Govt employees get payed too much anyway. Private sector employees do a better job and get payed less. You should also pay taxes on your health insurance. You pay more taxes, I pay less.

You are wrong and welcome to the mb. Haliburtan and Black Water proved that. They stoled tax payer trained employee's from the military and charged the tax payer a outrageous fee to do the same or lesser jobs. IMO, this was done to avoid the stigma of a draft. Better to **** away billions than impose a draft.

Private sector employee's do not do a better job, IMO. Private sector employee's do get paid less while the CEO get paid millions. In Govt at least we have salary caps for our Executives.

Again welcome to the mb and I'm not sure why you are here if you are private sector.
 
Agree! Over a decade of my 3+ decade professional work history is in private industry. I've seen both sides in-depth. I can say with rock-solid confidence that no group works harder or smarter under more adverse conditions (like red tape, outmoded tools, etc., etc. ...) than the average group of federal workers. :cool:

Can I get an 'amen,' brother? :toung:

Lady

Amen and Hallelujah!
 
Again welcome to the mb and I'm not sure why you are here if you are private sector.

Show - Do moderators have the ability to check IP addresses or is Tom the only one who can do that? I think softball is a regular board member with a fake ID trying to stir up $#!+.
 
Saying that federal employees are overpaid is like saying that teachers are overpaid. Looking at salary.com, my salary is in the lowest 5% of salaries for my profession, but I'm not in it for the money. I'm happy to have my job and really enjoy what I do, and that is what it is all about. But to suggest I am overpaid is ridiculous and to be quite honest, ignorant. Now, maybe others in the federal government are overpaid, such as those in Washington DC, but I beg to differ that myself nor my colleagues are overpaid.
 
You are wrong and welcome to the mb. Haliburtan and Black Water proved that. They stoled tax payer trained employee's from the military and charged the tax payer a outrageous fee to do the same or lesser jobs. IMO, this was done to avoid the stigma of a draft. Better to **** away billions than impose a draft.

Private sector employee's do not do a better job, IMO. Private sector employee's do get paid less while the CEO get paid millions. In Govt at least we have salary caps for our Executives.

Again welcome to the mb and I'm not sure why you are here if you are private sector.


I completely agree with Show-me, look at the BOP we have privatized facilities and under-paid staff working them and they have more problems than our high security institutions. You get what you pay for. If you think differently join up and walk the walls of a prison....for 8 bucks an hour.
 
Aren't all taxes wealth redistribution? In fact, aren't each of our pay checks wealth redistribution?
Here's a 3 minute video that has Colin Powell saying exactly what I said here (check out 1:50 onward if you dont want ot watch the whole thing).
 
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