House passes investment tax breaks

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House passes investment tax breaks


The White House-backed measure is part of a broader tax package for next year.
December 8, 2005: 4:59 PM EST
By Jeanne Sahadi, CNNMoney.com staff writer


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) – In a close vote, the House on Thursday approved a $56 billion tax relief bill, the controversial centerpiece of which is a two-year extension through 2010 of reduced tax rates on capital gains and dividends.

The tax rates, of 15 percent or less, aren't scheduled to expire until 2008, at which point capital gains would revert to being taxed at 20 percent and dividends would be taxed at the investor's income tax rate.

But Republican lawmakers who favor making the extension now say that lower investment rates are important to economic growth.

The White House, which backs the measure, says the extension is needed now to give investors certainty in planning for the future.

An analysis by Federal Reserve economists, however, found that the lower investment tax rates, enacted in 2003, haven't had a significant effect on the value of the stock market and resulted in only "a muted gain" in corporate payouts to shareholders.

House approval for extending the lowered rates comes at a time when lawmakers also want to reduce the deficit and have proposed doing so in part by curbing spending increases for programs that target low-income Americans.

A two-year extension on the investment tax rates is estimated to cost $20.5 billion over five years.

Critics of the provision have argued that the investment tax break primarily benefits upper-income taxpayers. An analysis by the liberal group Citizens for Tax Justice found that the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans would directly benefit the most – receiving more than half the value of the tax cut. It also estimates that 78 percent of Americans would receive no direct benefit at all.

Apart from the investment tax break debate, some lawmakers in the House had objected to the absence in the bill of significant relief from the alternative minimum tax (AMT).

But yesterday the House passed a separate $31.5 billion bill providing relief from AMT for 17 million taxpayers who were likely to fall prey to the "wealth tax" next year. (For more on that bill, click here. And for a look at who is likely to be affected by the AMT, click here.)

Last month, the Senate passed its own version of a tax relief bill that did include AMT relief, but did not include an extension of the reduced tax rates on capital gains and dividends because Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) could not get enough support for it from members of the Finance Committee, which he chairs.

Now that both the House and Senate have passed their own tax bills, members of both bodies must negotiate which elements get into a final piece of legislation. It's still unclear whether the Senate will choose to pass its own AMT relief bill and take out the AMT provision in the larger tax package, freeing up about $30 billion that may be used for other elements, like the extension of the capital gains and dividend tax rate.

Other provisions in the House bill
The House bill includes a number of other tax-break extensions that would affect individual taxpayers and which are similar to those proposed in the Senate tax bill. Among them:

One-year extension of the state and local general sales tax deduction: The House bill would allow taxpayers to take this deduction in tax year 2006. Current law only allows it to be taken in tax years 2004 and 2005.

Taxpayers have the option on their federal return of deducting either what they paid in state and local income tax or what they paid in state and local sales taxes, whichever is higher.

This provision has been of greatest advantage to taxpayers who live in the handful of states that don't impose an income tax and to those who live in states with high sales taxes and relatively low income taxes.

This extension would reduce federal revenue by an estimated $2.1 billion over five years.

One-year extension of the college-tuition deduction: Currently this deduction, which can be taken even if you don't itemize deductions on your federal return, is in place for tax years 2002 through 2005. The House bill would extend it through 2006.

The deduction may be taken on a maximum of $4,000 in tuition and fees for taxpayers with adjusted gross income (AGI) of $65,000 or less ($130,000 for married couples) or $2,000 for taxpayers with AGIs of $80,000 or less ($160,000 for married couples).

The tuition deduction may not be taken for expenses for which you are claiming an education credit (e.g., the HOPE or lifetime learning credits). You must choose one or the other if you qualify for both.

Extending the tuition deduction would reduce federal revenue by an estimated $1.7 billion over five years.

Two-year extension of the savers credit: Through 2006, low-income taxpayers may receive a credit (a dollar-for-dollar reduction of the taxes they owe) for contributions they make up to $2,000 to qualified retirement savings plans such as 401(k)s, 403(b)s as well as traditional and Roth IRAs. The House bill would extend this provision through the end of 2008.

The credit is available only to those taxpayers with AGIs of $25,000 or less ($50,000 or less for married couples).

The move would reduce federal revenue by an estimated $2.8 billion over five years.
 
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I know nothing about investment taxes at this point, although I should. I have a question, suppose you have one million dollars in an IRA and you are 45 years old.Let's say you decide to take out a distribution of $100000. I knowyou'd have to pay the 10% penalty, butwould you be taxed at the capital gains rate or would this be considered income so your tax rate would be higher?

These IRA laws are a bit confusing because I saw somewhere that you aren't allowed to take a distribution to buy a house if you plan to live in it unless it's your first house.

What ifyou chose to retire early and live off what you make in your IRA?

M_M
 
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The capital gains rate that may apply depends upon whether the IRA is a deductable or a nondeductable entity. If the IRA is a nondeductable you can claim a capital gains rate on the profit you declare. In a deductable IRA all income is regarded as ordinary income even when a capital gain is taken - no tax break. Sorry. The IRS is no ones friend. And there are so many traps set up in the IRA domain that you have to be really careful how you take your distributions, especially if you happen to be an heir. They (IRS) are a shameless bunch.
 
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Birchtree wrote:
The capital gains rate that may apply depends upon whether the IRA is a deductable or a nondeductable entity. If the IRA is a nondeductable you can claim a capital gains rate on the profit you declare. In a deductable IRA all income is regarded as ordinary income even when a capital gain is taken - no tax break. Sorry. The IRS is no ones friend. And there are so many traps set up in the IRA domain that you have to be really careful how you take your distributions, especially if you happen to be an heir. They (IRS) are a shameless bunch.
So I assume that if someone takes their TSP and transfers it to their own traditional IRA, the earnings become deductible income if you take a distribution?

Thanks for bearing with me Dennis. :)
 
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Not exactly. A deductable IRA is where you deduct your contributions from your tax return - that makes all eventual distributions ordinary income to the recipient to be taxed at their current rate. All TSP distributions are taxed also as ordinary income when they are received because they have taxed deferred status. Everything for tax purposes is based on the AGI (adjusted gross income) that sets the tax level. When you retire if you live off savings for a year you effectively have no AGI and therefore no tax level. That's the strategic time to consider transferring TSP funds to a Roth IRA and then when you take Roth IRA distributions they are tax free. This all requires a degree of long term planning.
 
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Got it. Too much stuff going on in the ole' noggin this evening. Gonna go stick a water hose to my ear and start all over...........:^
 
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If possible, dont put your money in a nondeductible IRA Account since the paperwork required is a big nightmare. You will have to submit a Form 8606 on an annual basis to the IRS and also, there is a $50.00 penalty for not filing the Form 8606. It would be smarter and less headache to open a regular investment account and pay capital gain taxes on the profit.
 
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Manipulating income. Once you are in your 70s, you will likely be taxed at 25 percent or more, thanks to Social Security and required retirement-account distribution. To soften that blow, you might tap your IRA and TSP even earlier. My advice: When you are in your 60s, withdraw enough form your retirement accounts each year so that when these sums are combined with your other income you get to the top of the 15 per cent federal income tax bracket. If you dont need the cash, you might instead covert small chunks of your IRA or tSP to ROTH IRA each year. Once the money is in a Roth, it will grow tax-free and it won't be governed by the minimum-distribution rules that affect TSP and regular IRAs. That will allow you to shrink your IRA and TSP, reducing the amount that might get dunned at 25 percent later on.
 
Future tax rates are sort of like future interest rates. They are probably going up.
 
Future federal taxes will definitely go up due to massive federal deficit. The uninformed retirees will end up paying taxes without proper tax planning. That is why it is so important that we convert our TSP to ROTH IRA in our early 60s at a lower income tax rate after retirement. I sure look forward to when we have the ROTH TSP in the near future. I guess the private sector is way ahead of us since few companies are already offering 401K Roth.
 
TSP contributions/Retirement Savings Credit?

OK color me stupid but I got ask………….Are TSP contributions deductible under Retirement Savings Contribution Credit? Greg posted a article about military deducting TSP contribution so I started looking around and found this thread. Milk, Greg, Birch, anyone?:confused:
 
Show-me, in answer to your question, the credit is only available for AGI's of less than $25,000. Don't know too many Fed workers with an AGI this low except our military.
 
mlk_man said:
Show-me, in answer to your question, the credit is only available for AGI's of less than $25,000. Don't know too many Fed workers with an AGI this low except our military.


$50k for married. TSP contributions, Roth, traditional, etc. qualify. I finally found it where it said TSP is included. It's on the instruction for the IRS Form 8880 after calling the IRS help desk.

If you are a young married person you could get a bit back.

$4k in your Roth and another $6k in TSP gives you a tax credit of $1,000 at the 10% rate.:)
 
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