jkenjohnson
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Private companies want everything contracted out especially engineering projects.
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Gov employees - chopping block
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Private companies want everything contracted out especially engineering projects.
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FireWeatherMet
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FireWeatherMet
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The key is to know exactly which group the “THEY” are.
userque
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The politicians realize those facts. They are playing to the public's (and even some federal employees') ignorance.
nasa1974
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What these bozo's fail to realize is that compared to the real world federal employees are paid less than their counterparts. The only thing that makes government service worthwhile are the benefits and longevity. Take away the benefits and reduce the pay how will they get anyone to hire on and replace those that retire? Right now we have a hard time keeping newly hired engineers from leaving and going to industry because of pay.
jkenjohnson
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What's new here. They always f..k us every chance they get.
It's all why my mind set, my attitude, is that I am preparing for being fired for political stupid reasons by crappy bosses (I have five bosses literally); or that my retirement pension will be gutted before I reach 56 (mra) or 60. Too many ways to screw up a federal employee who already is stuck in red tape hell. Many days there are just not enough employees to make the system work.
Everyone who has any talent at all has left the government system. Every single time we get a young talented engineer, who does not have some obvious discriminatory background (handicapped, racially not favored, etc) they leave.
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Everyone who has any talent at all has left the government system. Every single time we get a young talented engineer, who does not have some obvious discriminatory background (handicapped, racially not favored, etc) they leave.
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FireWeatherMet
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I know the article is from 2011. The only reason it didn't pass was because the Senate was still Democratic, and they didn't even bring the House Bill to kill FERS to a vote.
After 2012 the GOP held both chambers but didn't have 2/3rds majority to override any Presidential Veto so they dropped it...until now.
So when you hear that Republicans have a long list of legislation that has been stymied for years, that they now hope will pass, this is likely to be a big one.
Even Steve Bannon, Trumps main advisor, said that they have to fix the fact that there are 9 Million more gov't employees than there are manufacturing workers.
Of course he's banking on his flock to be too stupid to know there are only about 2.6 Million Civilian Federal employees. Down 20% from the Reagan days in the late 80's.
With Military its a combined 4.1 Million, down from 5.3 Million in the 1980's.
https://www.opm.gov/POLICY-DATA-OVE...ABLES/TOTAL-GOVERNMENT-EMPLOYMENT-SINCE-1962/
The vast majority are State, County, Local Gov't that the WH and Congress have nothing to do with, including any funding.
Number of Government Employees Now Surpasses Manufacturing Jobs by 9,977,000 - Breitbart
And the rationale of "They (Congress) won't do it because it affects them too" holds not water, because it seems it would apply only to new Congressional's, but even if it weren't, nearly all Congressional's are millionaires, coming from business backgrounds. When their terms are up, they can go back to making millions in the same industries they left and likely helped legislatively during their congressional period. And the premise holds no water because House Congressional's already wrote the bill.
The fact that Trumps Propaganda Chief is already laying out the "Fake News" of 9 Million more Gov't employees, hoping the sheeple think that's all Federal Employees that Trump needs to reduce, and the House saying they have a long list of bills that can now pass (including that 2011 FERS RIP Bill) should be cause for alarm.
evilanne
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That article is from 2011, it didn't happen. It is unlikely they would eliminated FERS because any changes they make to FERS or CSRS retirement systems would also apply to them.
They did increase the employee retirement contribution for new hires starting in 2013 & 2014 and beyond. Contribution Rates Updated
FireWeatherMet
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So why have Republicans been so gung ho about doing away with FERS the past few years? Prevented only by determined congressional Democrats and the inevitable Obama veto.
Especially since it is not only fully funded but actually running a large surplus.
Republicans Introduce Bill To Eliminate FERS Retirement For New Hires
Republicans Introduce Bill To Eliminate FERS Retirement For New Hires | PostalReporter News Blog
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McDuck
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Ronald Reagan, who was in the GOP, setup FERS.
FireWeatherMet
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This one I find most disturbing:
Federal retirement benefits likely target for GOP
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This was from about 2 years ago, but have seen on multiple sources that The House will try to push this through and now they don't have to worry about an Obama veto.
"Federal workers hired before 2012 contribute 0.8% of their salaries to the $412 billion Federal Employees Retirement System, Washington, while those hired in 2012 or later contribute up to 4.4%, ...Under the direction of House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., the budget called for federal workers to contribute up to 6.35% of their salaries to their defined benefit plan, and for newer workers to be only in a defined contribution plan."
"People participating in the CSRS would see their contributions rise to 12.5% from the current 7%. "
So basically everyone faces a 5.5% pay cut.
And just FYI...FERS is totally solvent, unlike CSRS. FERS is not just fully funded. Its running a HUGE surplus. An example that pension plans run properly can work. GOP can't have that happen.
Federal Retirement Critics Eat Crow as OPM Report Finds FERS Running Massive Surplus
Federal Retirement Critics Eat Crow as OPM Report Finds FERS Running Massive Surplus
Federal retirement benefits likely target for GOP
PIOnline : Subscription Center
This was from about 2 years ago, but have seen on multiple sources that The House will try to push this through and now they don't have to worry about an Obama veto.
"Federal workers hired before 2012 contribute 0.8% of their salaries to the $412 billion Federal Employees Retirement System, Washington, while those hired in 2012 or later contribute up to 4.4%, ...Under the direction of House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., the budget called for federal workers to contribute up to 6.35% of their salaries to their defined benefit plan, and for newer workers to be only in a defined contribution plan."
"People participating in the CSRS would see their contributions rise to 12.5% from the current 7%. "
So basically everyone faces a 5.5% pay cut.
And just FYI...FERS is totally solvent, unlike CSRS. FERS is not just fully funded. Its running a HUGE surplus. An example that pension plans run properly can work. GOP can't have that happen.
Federal Retirement Critics Eat Crow as OPM Report Finds FERS Running Massive Surplus
Federal Retirement Critics Eat Crow as OPM Report Finds FERS Running Massive Surplus
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userque
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Exactly. Regardless the situation, a process is already available.
Trump is just tickling ears again. He says, "I'M GOING TO MAKE EMPLOYEES EASIER TO FIRE!" And the crowd goes wild...gives him their support...just like that. Everyone assumes that he must be talking about some other employee, not themselves, because they're perfect employees. They don't realize he's stripping protections from all employees...but they will realize it if they ever find themselves on the wrong end of a bad supervisor. "Perfect" employees get fired too.
I blame the educational system; plus, PT Barnum was right.
Khotso
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Yep. Just gotta follow the process. I did it. Also had two employees quit because I was following the process -- same result. When it gets hard is when employees haven't been held accountable for many years and have actually had good performance reviews by numerous supervisors throughout their long past despite subpar performance. That's a "management/supervision competence" issue, not a federal regulation/process issue. ... And, oh BTW, large corporations have the same problem. It happens for a lot of reasons, one of which is supervisors who don't have "employee problems" are often simplistically -- and wrongly -- viewed as good people managers by upper management. Stuff happens. Don't blame it on government; that's just an easy target.
sniper
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That's not true, I'm a federal employee and seen people get canned. The ones who are impossible to fire are the disabled veterans, but that's another story. However, the media wants to throw us all in the same box when not all employees really are protected the same.
userque
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They can be fired by competent management. Degrading the protections of all employees to overcome management incompetence is not the answer.
Some criminals walk in court due to lack of evidence. The answer is not to no longer require evidence.
The end result of degrading employee protections will be abuses by whack-job supervisors etc. This is always the result when you trust the government/corporations to do the right thing. We've been here before. That's why the FLRA/NLRA etc. were enacted. How quickly we forget...and history will repeat itself.
rktect1
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“It’s nearly impossible to fire somebody,” said Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.
Man, this is sooooo true. I have heard some second hand accounts of some really bad (meaning committed a crime) employees in federal government positions who just still could not be fired. Lawyer up and move on to another city.
I work in a municipality and have several people who are not even qualified to be hired into their position, yet have been there for 10-15 years. Once they get in, they cant be gotten out.
Man, this is sooooo true. I have heard some second hand accounts of some really bad (meaning committed a crime) employees in federal government positions who just still could not be fired. Lawyer up and move on to another city.
I work in a municipality and have several people who are not even qualified to be hired into their position, yet have been there for 10-15 years. Once they get in, they cant be gotten out.
Khotso
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Unintended consequences. Be careful what you wish for.
To quote JR Tolkein: "The wolf that one hears is worse than the Orc that one fears."
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