GOP considers longer pay freeze

[Buster]

Which leads me to wonder why we think lowering taxes will help.
It's like we're trying to reach the moon by building a submarine.

You see..there you go again..in case you missed it, we already made it to the moon...I think I see your problem with reality and I don't believe it's sand in your ears either..

 

[SteelSaving]

Bravo, Buster. Why don't you head back to the sandbox now? The adults are talking.

 

[clester]

Ah its the classic debate, rich vs poor, workers vs employers, etc etc. What is always funny to me in this debate is the fact that it never changes. People just have to accept that those at the top get rich (in many cases, but not all) by exploiting someone somewhere, but many in between reap many benefits themselves. I consider myself in the middle, I accept this and am grateful. I feel for those at the very bottom for be exploited and I feel for those at the top who genuinely want to do the right thing but can't due to factors beyond their control (politics, errant managers,natural disasters,recessions, rising costs,etc etc)

Learn to live simple, be happy with the small things in life and don't expect anything to be given to you. Pay for things with cash not credit and be smart with your money by making it work for you and everything will eventually smooth itself out for you. I am only 33 yrs old and see how older and younger ones simply don't understand these things, and ......I feel pity for them.

Wise statement for one so young. If it were't for political rhetoric like this in thread we would all be happier. Folks just have to defend their party line for some reason and don't be fooled this is about party politics. Just listen to how folks arguments mimic what their party leaders say.

We should all be independents!

 

[Mapper]

Wise statement for one so young. If it were't for political rhetoric like this in thread we would all be happier. Folks just have to defend their party line for some reason and don't be fooled this is about party politics. Just listen to how folks arguments mimic what their party leaders say.

We should all be independents!

Free-thinking is good, but disengagement is what got us in this mess. People don't take the time to educate themselves and get all caught up in the propaganda.

I would love to be more independent but the vast majority of GOP proposals just plain don't make sense to me. Honestly I think that's why the GOP primary is such a mess, it's hard to find good candidate that can reconcile the policy positions needed to get votes from the masses AND please the major campaign contributors. The smartest guy on the ticket, Huntsman, has absolutely no traction because he refuses to engage in the absurdity. Honestly I'd heavily consider voting for Huntsman, even though his past policy initiatives are generally more conservative than Mitt, because I'm really impressed with Huntsman and his ability to stay outside the fray. Unfortunately, I imagine Huntsman would have a much harder time once he needed to be more accountable to the GOP party establishment, ala John McCain. Mitt is desperately trying to walk the tightrope, but it's got him all tangled up on his position statements. Frankly it's a bit amusing to watch, but ultimately sad.

Which brings me back to the heart of this thread. Which is, the GOP was given the choice of funding a tax bill from those making more than $1mil/year (taxable income, no less...after all of the myriad "loopholes" have been utilized!!) and gov't employees. The establishment felt the, overwhelmingly middle class, gov't employees should pay the bill. That is exactly the type of policy that makes no sense to me, especially in light of the fact that high income tax rates have been falling for the past 3 decades and there is next to no quantifiable proof that those high income individuals use the savings to create jobs. During that period the high income individuals (regardless of party affiliation) have dramatically increased their personal income while continuing to outsource American jobs. There is however, ample evidence that money gets funneled back into politics (and yes, it happens on both sides)...the old saying, follow the money.

 

[clester]

Free-thinking is good, but disengagement is what got us in this mess. People don't take the time to educate themselves and get all caught up in the propaganda.

I would love to be more independent but the vast majority of GOP proposals just plain don't make sense to me. Honestly I think that's why the GOP primary is such a mess, it's hard to find good candidate that can reconcile the policy positions needed to get votes from the masses AND please the major campaign contributors. The smartest guy on the ticket, Huntsman, has absolutely no traction because he refuses to engage in the absurdity. Honestly I'd heavily consider voting for Huntsman, even though his past policy initiatives are generally more conservative than Mitt, because I'm really impressed with Huntsman and his ability to stay outside the fray. Unfortunately, I imagine Huntsman would have a much harder time once he needed to be more accountable to the GOP party establishment, ala John McCain. Mitt is desperately trying to walk the tightrope, but it's got him all tangled up on his position statements. Frankly it's a bit amusing to watch, but ultimately sad.

Which brings me back to the heart of this thread. Which is, the GOP was given the choice of funding a tax bill from those making more than $1mil/year and gov't employees. The establishment felt the, overwhelmingly middle class, gov't employees should pay the bill. That is exactly the type of policy that makes no sense to me, especially in light of the fact that high income tax rates have been falling for the past 3 decades and there is next to no quantifiable proof that those high income individuals use the savings to create jobs. During that period the high income individuals (regardless of party affiliation) have dramatically increased their personal income while continuing to outsource American jobs. There is however, ample evidence that money gets funneled back into politics (and yes, it happens on both sides)...the old saying, follow the money.

Follow the money is exactly right. That's why our political system is broke. It's basically bribery by lobbyists that determine things.

 

[clester]

Follow the money is exactly right. That's why our political system is broke. It's basically bribery by lobbyists that determine things.

Check this out.
http://www.americanselect.org/

 

[Mapper]

Free-thinking is good, but disengagement is what got us in this mess. People don't take the time to educate themselves and get all caught up in the propaganda.

I would love to be more independent but the vast majority of GOP proposals just plain don't make sense to me. Honestly I think that's why the GOP primary is such a mess, it's hard to find good candidate that can reconcile the policy positions needed to get votes from the masses AND please the major campaign contributors. The smartest guy on the ticket, Huntsman, has absolutely no traction because he refuses to engage in the absurdity. Honestly I'd heavily consider voting for Huntsman, even though his past policy initiatives are generally more conservative than Mitt, because I'm really impressed with Huntsman and his ability to stay outside the fray. Unfortunately, I imagine Huntsman would have a much harder time once he needed to be more accountable to the GOP party establishment, ala John McCain. Mitt is desperately trying to walk the tightrope, but it's got him all tangled up on his position statements. Frankly it's a bit amusing to watch, but ultimately sad.

Which brings me back to the heart of this thread. Which is, the GOP was given the choice of funding a tax bill from those making more than $1mil/year (taxable income, no less...after all of the myriad "loopholes" have been utilized!!) and gov't employees. The establishment felt the, overwhelmingly middle class, gov't employees should pay the bill. That is exactly the type of policy that makes no sense to me, especially in light of the fact that high income tax rates have been falling for the past 3 decades and there is next to no quantifiable proof that those high income individuals use the savings to create jobs. During that period the high income individuals (regardless of party affiliation) have dramatically increased their personal income while continuing to outsource American jobs. There is however, ample evidence that money gets funneled back into politics (and yes, it happens on both sides)...the old saying, follow the money.

Additional note. This has nothing to do with me being pissed that people have more than me. I could have easily gone into a career that made more money (I could switch right now if I wanted to) but I wanted to be a public servant and preferred to take less pay in exchange to doing something that I felt was a greater benefit to society at large. So it's not about jealousy, it's about big $$ players working to stifle the voice of the average American, which to me is an attempt to undermine our Democracy. This True American doesn't like that idea.

I like the link Clester