GOP considers longer pay freeze

[SteelSaving]

Of course not.

 

[nnuut]

There are no unneccessary regulations...

That's a Good One!!!!!!!

 

[Buster]

Yeah let's Run those rich folks out of business, that's the thing to do. Then we can take their riches and spread the wealth among the 50% that pay NO Taxes that's what we need to stimulate the economy, BUT when they run out of other people's money they will be in the same situation and asking for another handout, something is wrong with that reasoning?

SOMEBODY STOP ME!!!!!:nuts::nuts:​

Right on Norm...People are so stupid, cut off the tit that feeds them..yeah, that's makes sense.

 

[Buster]

I love it when people talk like they know everything..It's easy to sit back in your lazy-boy and judge what an honest to goodness employer will or can do...If you are not one that hires and fires, then you have no dog in this game..you are a spectator ONLY!..Otherwise you would not be working for the man...You are a peasant, peon, a nobody employee working for someone that had the generosity and pity to hire you....BE QUIET!

 

[SteelSaving]

So basically, you have nothing to add to the conversation. Thanks for the announcement.

 

[Buster]

So basically, you identified with what I said...so reveling of you..

Assuming by what you've said, you work for somebody that is paying you to do your job, as you are incapable of running a business on your own, but yet in still, you have all the answers..Count your blessings that they have the capital to hire someone like you..otherwise, you will never know for sure what it takes to run a business and employ people, etc.....I can assure you, you don't know what you're talking about..of course, other than what the liberal media wants you to know.


Your welcome for the enlightenment..try doing something worthwhile with your life for ALL of society other than begrudge the very people that keep this country going and create and offer jobs.

So yes, I have nothing to say to what is fair for employers..At least I'm not gonna parade around babbling rhetoric about something I know nothing about....

May they all close their doors, declare bankruptcy and send the layed off people to the feces covered streets to occupy Wall Street...
Guess what? those were taxpayers too and they out number Federal employees right now..lose their income taxes, you lose your Job, cause good old Uncle Sam won't be able to afford to pay you anymore...They call that; 'Trickle Down' ...see ya in the park.

 

[KevinD]

...You are a peasant, peon, a nobody employee working for someone that had the generosity and pity to hire you....BE QUIET!

Buster - Do you not see anything wrong with this statement? That kind of thinking is how the wealthy entrepreneur cuts off the tit that feeds him. Where are his customers going to come from?

 

[Afishegg]

Ah its the classic debate, rich vs poor, workers vs employers, etc etc. What is always funny to me in this debate is the fact that it never changes. People just have to accept that those at the top get rich (in many cases, but not all) by exploiting someone somewhere, but many in between reap many benefits themselves. I consider myself in the middle, I accept this and am grateful. I feel for those at the very bottom for be exploited and I feel for those at the top who genuinely want to do the right thing but can't due to factors beyond their control (politics, errant managers,natural disasters,recessions, rising costs,etc etc)

Learn to live simple, be happy with the small things in life and don't expect anything to be given to you. Pay for things with cash not credit and be smart with your money by making it work for you and everything will eventually smooth itself out for you. I am only 33 yrs old and see how older and younger ones simply don't understand these things, and ......I feel pity for them.

 

[Buster]

Buster - Do you not see anything wrong with this statement? That kind of thinking is how the wealthy entrepreneur cuts off the tit that feeds him. Where are his customers going to come from?

It's a paradox Kev, If the employer has no employees, then there is no consumer to afford and/or buy his product he is trying to make without employees... :blink:Without employees to make his product to sell to the unemployed consumer..then he doesn't become wealthy..lose-lose..Catch-22

 

[Buster]

Ah its the classic debate, rich vs poor, workers vs employers, etc etc. What is always funny to me in this debate is the fact that it never changes. People just have to accept that those at the top get rich (in many cases, but not all) by exploiting someone somewhere, but many in between reap many benefits themselves. I consider myself in the middle, I accept this and am grateful. I feel for those at the very bottom for be exploited and I feel for those at the top who genuinely want to do the right thing but can't due to factors beyond their control (politics, errant managers,natural disasters,recessions, rising costs,etc etc)

Learn to live simple, be happy with the small things in life and don't expect anything to be given to you. Pay for things with cash not credit and be smart with your money by making it work for you and everything will eventually smooth itself out for you. I am only 33 yrs old and see how older and younger ones simply don't understand these things, and ......I feel pity for them.

Well said!

 

[Mapper]

It's a paradox Kev, If the employer has no employees, then there is no consumer to afford and/or buy his product he is trying to make without employees... :blink:Without employees to make his product to sell to the unemployed consumer..then he doesn't become wealthy..lose-lose..Catch-22

This is the logic that Henry Ford employed when he declared to pay his employees enough to buy their very own car; The exact opposite of trickle down. What good is a supply without demand?

 

[Warrenlm]

I'm just hoping none of the 25,000 congressional staffers read the Italian austerity measures and note the elimination of COLAs for pensioners...... and get ideas. Oh, that's right, they already have.

 

[SteelSaving]

I'm just hoping none of the 25,000 congressional staffers read the Italian austerity measures and note the elimination of COLAs for pensioners...... and get ideas. Oh, that's right, they already have.

Pensions are just welfare for the dregs at the bottom. If you're not at the top, then obviously you deserve the crap falling from above.
Be a real American, start a business, not like the fake Americans, who just steal from their ingenuity.


Buster:

If the rich have been getting their tax cuts over the past decade: WHERE ARE THE JOBS?
Don't tell me I can't comment on a topic because I don't own a business. If you want to stick your head in the sand fine, just don't tell me to join you. I can barely understand you due to the muffling anyway.

 

[nnuut]

Completion from emerging countries and NAFTA, GATT etc. forced our manufacturing base out of the country, it's as simple as that.
Send your thanks to Mr. Clinton.:nuts:

 

[SteelSaving]

Which leads me to wonder why we think lowering taxes will help.
It's like we're trying to reach the moon by building a submarine.

 

[KevinD]

It's a paradox Kev, If the employer has no employees, then there is no consumer to afford and/or buy his product he is trying to make without employees... :blink:Without employees to make his product to sell to the unemployed consumer..then he doesn't become wealthy..lose-lose..Catch-22

Thanks for understanding and not telling me to get back to work.

 

[Mapper]

Completion from emerging countries and NAFTA, GATT etc. forced our manufacturing base out of the country, it's as simple as that.
Send your thanks to Mr. Clinton.:nuts:

Seriously? You do realize NAFTA was a Bush 1 initiative? Albeit ultimately ratified by Clinton (originally and ceremoniously signed by GB 1) and CAFTA a Bush 2 initiative. GATT was a post WWII initiative that ultimately morphed into the WTO and has been supported by multiple administrations.

Obviously the world has changed a lot since WWII but for some reason too many American consumers prefer to buy a cheap product over an American made product manufactured by someone earning a living wage at a factory that doesn't decimate the local landscape.

Edit:
Free trade agreements didn't "force" manufacturing out of the country. Corporate greed voluntarily moved manufacturing out of the country...nothing like a good race to the bottom.

 

[nnuut]

My friend NAFTA was started by Reagan backed by Bush and signed and implemented by Clinton. Don't you remember what Ross Perot said in his debate with Clinton and Bush? You will hear a Giant Sucking Sound Going South?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls&feature=related

 

[Warrenlm]

....Free trade agreements didn't "force" manufacturing out of the country. Corporate greed voluntarily moved manufacturing out of the country...nothing like a good race to the bottom.

(Emphasis added). Ummmm, the problem with this is that corporations are not only people in the eyes of a State, but they are really people. One man's greed is another's profit. Or a shareholder's dividend. Or a pension fund's future payout.....The problem is when government creates the incentive that fails to protect the society that founded it. How does a corporation avoid seeking lowest cost when everyone is looking for shortterm reward.

 

[Mapper]

I can't disagree Warrenlm...I was typing quick and just wanted to point out that free trade agreements don't demand that jobs be sent off shore.