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"We the people" will feel "we the people's representation" effects of the jointly signed Act that will cause sequestration to occur. This act was initally signed because the one side wanted more money, and one side wanted cuts in return. One side got theirs, now the other side is asking "where's theirs?"
 
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Frixxxx said:
"We the people" will feel "we the people's representation" effects of the jointly signed Act that will cause sequestration to occur. This act was initally signed because the one side wanted more money, and one side wanted cuts in return. One side got theirs, now the other side is asking "where's theirs?"
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It's simple as that a deal is a deal, but one side seems to make it a habit to forget all about that when pay up day comes.
 
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only a couple more days for the spendingcutaphobics to finish working up their gianormous tizzy fit into a media climax, then after taking a healthy dose of fiscal medicine i suspect the patient will be feeling much better by the middle of next week.

unfortunately, even the smallest display of fiscal discipline will probably make the usd$ appear less weak which could be a drag on the markets. on the other hand, any effort to restore sanity to the budget may go a long way to convincing the public that our capitalistic system may yet survive in the utopian everything is free for the disadvantaged near-term future.

one thing nobody is talking about is if the furloughs result in a credit downgrade again. the s&p downgraded us the last time we played chicken and couldn't reach a solution like adults. but after telling the truth about the u.s. financial picture the u.s. sued them for not telling the truth about the housing collapse earlier so they probably don't want to downgrade us again anytime soon. moodys or fitch might do it, one of them just poked a stick at the u.k. bear, but the last time they didn't tell the truth about our economy they didn't get sued by our economy so there may be a reverse incentive there.

oh well, it's out of my hands, over the cliff we go. i'm starting to get used to this lurching from crisis to crisis game our leaders play. after all, it's the only game in town.

wheeeeee!
 
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I heard today my agency will be pushing the furlough days to not begin until late April or early May, slashing as many non-personnel areas as possible first. I think they're hoping things will get resolved prior to anyone actually taking a day off...but who knows. Last time this happened in the '90s and people got days off and then got back pay when they came back to work...kind of defeats the purpose but nothing surprises me anymore.
 
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PLANO said:
I heard today my agency will be pushing the furlough days to not begin until late April or early May, slashing as many non-personnel areas as possible first. I think they're hoping things will get resolved prior to anyone actually taking a day off...but who knows. Last time this happened in the '90s and people got days off and then got back pay when they came back to work...kind of defeats the purpose but nothing surprises me anymore.
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90s was an entirely different situation. Gov't got shut down -- no budget, no CR. Everyone except a few "essential" personnel were furloughed indefinitely immediately. That could happen March 27th though if our "leaders" -- now there's an oxymoron if there ever was one -- don't extend the CR or pass a budget. But don't expect getting paid retroactively for furlough days this time. Whole other ball game today PLANO.
 
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On "federalnewsradio" today:

"Living Expenses at risk...."

The union (NTEU) released a survey of federal employees detailing what the respondents say would be the impact of cuts from sequestration.

The survey found 82 percent of federal employees who responded said sequestration-induced furloughs of one-day-a-week would cause them difficulty in paying for their living expenses, such as mortgages, rent and food.

Additionally, the survey found 63 percent of the respondents said furloughs from sequestration would force them to take money out of savings or retirement accounts.

NTEU received responses from 2,258 federal employees on the impact of budget reductions from sequestration and the ongoing financial challenges agencies face are having across the government. It conducted the survey online and through its electronic newsletter over a three-day period in February.

The survey covered both the potential personal impact of sequestration as well as the longer-term budget pressures agencies have been under. For instance, 79 percent of the respondents said their agency is not replacing workers who leave, while 68 percent say they lack the resources to complete their job properly.
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Complete story here:
Before furloughs, agencies must negotiate terms with unions - FederalNewsRadio.com-
 
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The teleprompter-dependent One cannot be blamed for anything.

~ Driive By Media
 
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well it appears we may actually get some real spending cuts. of course when it's time to spend we need to target that free money to specific groups like, well, you know. but when it's time to cut there is no discretion and we all will kneel.

problem seems to be nobody much cares. eat it gov employees. too bad benefit recipients. the cubbard is bare. ha ha!

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i'm thinking this furlough will happen but a deal will get resolved before losing all 22 days. nothing gets done in the government without a lot of drama first. it is what it is

i for one wished that the government will target the programs that people are abusing to hell first (like welfare and those parents who have 10+ kids to get free money), but that will probably never happen. it's been an issue as long as i can remember
 
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aaahhhhh, breath deep my friends, and remember well the smell. today is the last day the stench of fiscal over spending rot and decay shall ever these nostrils assault. for tomorrow is a brand new clean world, a world of virtuous frugality and sensible budgets where no one need fear the furlough. a world where frivolous foriegn junkets and transfer payments to appease special interests are sacrificed in favor of paying the bills at home, a world of freedom from our financial overlords.

meanwhile, back at the ranch...

US: $60 million in new aid to Syria opposition - Yahoo! News
 
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Ok, can I ask all of you the significance of the sequestration?

You do know that the same cuts will need to last NINE MORE YEARS to meet the proposed cuts to 2022, Right?

Now, based on current scenarios and the agencies requirements, can you all live with next NINE years with 20% pay cuts?

Just asking.
 
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While we talk about furlough's for Federal employees there is new spending for Food and medical supplies to the Syrian opposition, some of which are Islamist.
Remember the movie "The Patriot" when the Generals supply ship is exploding in the harbor during the ball and the woman next to him is clapping saying "Oh goody, fire works".
Thats what I thought of when I read that article, Thanks Burro. :)
 
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Frixxxx said:
Ok, can I ask all of you the significance of the sequestration?

You do know that the same cuts will need to last NINE MORE YEARS to meet the proposed cuts to 2022, Right?

Now, based on current scenarios and the agencies requirements, can you all live with next NINE years with 20% pay cuts?

Just asking.
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Um, I don't think that is accurate. What are you basing that on?
 
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RealMoneyIssues said:
Ok, still missing it, but that's ok, I'm dense. I will leave this alone because it will become a political discussion.
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The initial spending cuts were to equal $1.2Trillion over ten years. This sequestration effort in 2013 is the first year. So 10-1 equals 9 years left to keep reducing spending.
 
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Frixxxx said:
You do know that the same cuts will need to last NINE MORE YEARS to meet the proposed cuts to 2022, Right?

Now, based on current scenarios and the agencies requirements, can you all live with next NINE years with 20% pay cuts?
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i don't think we get a choice in the matter. either somebody quits spending or some other bodies quit working. that's what the news said.
 
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How Furloughs Will Affect Pay and Benefits - Pay & Benefits Watch - Pay & Benefits - GovExec.com

afterthought: I wish SHE would take a permanent furlough. "Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Md., said she thinks lawmakers need to sacrifice their own pay if federal employees are forced to take unpaid leave as a result of sequestration. “If the federal employees are going to take a 20 percent cut and be furloughed, we should take a 20 percent cut,” Mikulski said Tuesday on the Senate floor. “If they take a hit, we should take a hit, and I look forward to moving on that legislation,” said the new chairman of the Appropriations Committee. Many federal employees live and work in Maryland, so Mikulski’s staunch defense of feds and opposition to sequestration comes as no surprise."
 
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Frixxxx said:
The initial spending cuts were to equal $1.2Trillion over ten years. This sequestration effort in 2013 is the first year. So 10-1 equals 9 years left to keep reducing spending.
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That is correct- 2013 is just the first year of ten years of cuts. However, that isn't to say that we'll all have furlough days in future years. The agencies will have to stop hiring people to cut costs, and eventually enough people will leave to prevent everyone from having to take furlough days. And next year we'll have the whole year to spread the cuts across, not just six months. So there should be fewer furlough days in FY-2014.


The beatings will continue until morale improves.
 
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