Four thousand FAA employees to be laid off tomorrow.

[RealMoneyIssues]

Sanity missing from this thread. Should have known considering it's topic and the person pushing this thread's agenda...

tisk, tisk, I knew better :nuts:

 

[burrocrat]

...just like everybody else???!??..where does that leave you? in a mormon commune, is your last name Smith?

You'd be sucking different air if you were one of those 4000 FAA employees and or one of the 10's of thousands off work because of collateral damage because of this ignorance in Washington...you maybe only be a G band, but at least you're working and can count on a paycheck this week...Hit the streets slick, and see what the real world has to offer you..NOTHING, because that's why your still sucking the hind tit of your Uncle Sam....Need your hypocrite security blanket fluffed?

Forget it Buster, he has been brainwashed like the rest of the TEA partyers who think government workers, the poor, and old need to pay the price to get us out of this mess. He probably means what he says and would gladly be a martyr because he thinks he is being patriotic when it's the folks who got us here should pay. Congress, Wall Street, Big banks, and yes the wealthy who made out like bandits during the recession. Instead, they get a free pass.

Au contraire mon frères,

I was going to look up ad hominem on the google but I don’t think I’d find any better examples.

For the record, I tried the commune thing, but the line for the bad girls was too long and the nice girls were a dime a dozen, not my style, and last name is not Smith, thanks for asking.

About that furlough thing, the last time the issue came up recently I had 3 job offers lined up before they called it off and I had to come in to work that next Monday morning. I wish I’d gotten the chance to get out of the office for a couple of weeks while they actually worked on the budget problems instead of playing kick the can, maybe we wouldn’t be here now.

I currently am employed as a part time hired hand in addition to my day job, mainly as a way to put food in the freezer and involve my family in the country lifestyle since I’m not one of the landed gentry. And I’m putting in some good wheel time to get my CDL. Next step will be to upgrade to hazmat endorsement as an oil field services backup play, they rockin the bakken you know. Small matter to re-up welding certs if necessary.

I choose to work for the government because I believe and take pride in the mission I support and I like the people I work for (U.S. taxpayers). I am thankful for my ‘only’ G band. Although I’ll admit it’s much easier and better for the family thing too, and I’m getting old. But I guarandamtee you if I were to get furloughed today I will be working tomorrow. Suck that air.

It’s not my job, I didn’t do it, someone else should fix it. In the non-gov positions I’ve worked that attitude will get someone hurt and/or cost the employer money. Those types usually evolve themselves out of job rather quickly. If you see a problem, get on it, now, and debate about how to avoid the same situation from occurring again later. In my limited fed experience, the ‘not me’ attitude seems to be more prevalent, and more successful.

Life changes, promises get broken, things need fixed, get used to it. Pointing fingers about who should get the job done does not get the job done. I would gladly give up my spot at the table if it contributed to a reasonable, sustainable solution for my child to grow up with the opportunity to live in a free and great nation.

Maybe it’s a generational thing. It has always amazed me how folks who profess to willing diversify their investments begin shaking in their boots at the thought of having to diversify their careers. I know I didn’t pay that much attention in school so it must have been the quality of the math and civics instructors, but I realized early on that this was not going to pencil out in the long run, yet here we are still running.

I believe I am independently in control of my faculties, and I assure you I am not brainwashed, although it is a little dirty and could use a good cleaning from time to time. I am also quite happy with the security blanket I’ve stitched for myself, but I could always use a good fluffer. If you’re looking to pick up some side cash I’ve got a job for you.

 

[James48843]

Meanwhile, partisanship continues to smack down Sally Secretary over at FAA, who has been without employment for a week now. She really is wondering what will happen if this bickering continues much longer. She has mouths to feed, you know.

"Among the PASS members impacted by the furlough are a single mother who has worked for the FAA for over 24 years who is already struggling to make ends meet; an engineering technician responsible for installation projects from Maine to Puerto Rico who is considering filing for unemployment if the furlough continues; and an aviation safety assistant who works with inspectors on special instrument procedures who calls the furlough ‘completely unexpected' and had to file for unemployment.

"These are real people suffering real hardships and the fact that their jobs have been taken away in this troubled economy due to controversial provisions in the House-passed FAA extension is beyond disturbing. Above all, these FAA employees want to return to work. They want to continue in their efforts to protect and promote the safe and efficient operation of this country's aviation system.

Stuck in the middle- the good working people who make up the United States government.

http://www.newsmgr.com/nm2/publish/...SECURE-PAY-FOR-FURLOUGHED-FAA-EMPLOYEES.shtml

 

[clester]

I'm glad you think so highly of yourself and your abilities. So, I got mine or can get mine somewhere else, so I really don't care about the rest of you? Real nice!


Such arrogance.

 

[clester]

Meanwhile, partisanship continues to smack down Sally Secretary over at FAA, who has been without employment for a week now. She really is wondering what will happen if this bickering continues much longer. She has mouths to feed, you know. Stuck in the middle- the good working people who make up the United States government. http://www.newsmgr.com/nm2/publish/...SECURE-PAY-FOR-FURLOUGHED-FAA-EMPLOYEES.shtml

Thanks for putting a real face on the situation.

 

[burrocrat]

Meanwhile, partisanship continues to smack down Sally Secretary over at FAA, who has been without employment for a week now. She really is wondering what will happen if this bickering continues much longer. She has mouths to feed, you know.

Stuck in the middle- the good working people who make up the United States government.

http://www.newsmgr.com/nm2/publish/...SECURE-PAY-FOR-FURLOUGHED-FAA-EMPLOYEES.shtml

Silly Sally and First Clown were strolling in the forest, and amazed to watch a squirrel flit up and down the trees in a frenzy to haul nuts back to it's cache, how odd they thought, the nuts will always be there to collect for free later.

Suddenly, the squirrel turned and bolted up his leg.

Silly Sally laughed and laughed because she knew he didn't have any.

 

[burrocrat]

see what you want to see. i was trying to provide an example of another way things can be done. thanks for giving it some thought.

 

[nasa1974]

Alright everybody. Conversation has gotten off track. Stop making it about you and remember the thread is about the FAA employees. Stop throwing barbs at each other.

 

[Buster]

About that furlough thing, the last time the issue came up recently I had 3 job offers lined up before they called it off and I had to come in to work that next Monday morning. I wish I’d gotten the chance to get out of the office for a couple of weeks while they actually worked on the budget problems instead of playing kick the can, maybe we wouldn’t be here now.

I currently am employed as a part time hired hand in addition to my day job, mainly as a way to put food in the freezer and involve my family in the country lifestyle since I’m not one of the landed gentry. And I’m putting in some good wheel time to get my CDL. Next step will be to upgrade to hazmat endorsement as an oil field services backup play, they rockin the bakken you know. Small matter to re-up welding certs if necessary.

I choose to work for the government because I believe and take pride in the mission I support and I like the people I work for (U.S. taxpayers). I am thankful for my ‘only’ G band. Although I’ll admit it’s much easier and better for the family thing too, and I’m getting old. But I guarandamtee you if I were to get furloughed today I will be working tomorrow. Suck that air.

 

[nnuut]

 

[James48843]

federal news radio-

"When Federal Employees get F*#%@ed."

When Feds Get F%*^#*%ed

July 28, 2011 - 11:10am


Depending on how the debt ceiling issue is settled - or not - furloughs could be just around the corner for hundreds of thousands of federal workers. If so, how would they work and are you ready? Would it be a dreamy surprise mid-summer dream or a pre-back-to-school nightmare?

(snip)
...
Last week approximately 4,000 FAA employees were told that because of an unrelated funding dispute in Congress, their services were no longer needed for the time being.

As one reader/listener put it, "...aren't all 4,000 feds, plus any contractors caught up in the mess entitled to unemployment benefits? And if the federal government furloughs more workers and contractors if an agreement is not met on the debt limit issue, wouldn't they be entitled to unemployment benefits as well, thus shoving a HUGE financial burden onto the states? I'm surprised I haven't seen anything in the media about this...I would think he states would be quite concerned..." - L. P.



So when will they be ordered back to work? Does the furlough have any impact on their health insurance coverage, their 401(k) plan. Can they apply for unemployment benefits? Will they get back pay when they finally return to work? Are you next?

a good read.

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?sid=2471426

 

[burrocrat]

federal news radio-

"When Federal Employees get F*#%@ed."

As one reader/listener put it, "...aren't all 4,000 feds, plus any contractors caught up in the mess entitled to unemployment benefits? And if the federal government furloughs more workers and contractors if an agreement is not met on the debt limit issue, wouldn't they be entitled to unemployment benefits as well, thus shoving a HUGE financial burden onto the states? I'm surprised I haven't seen anything in the media about this...I would think he states would be quite concerned..." - L. P.

a good read.

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?sid=2471426

How do states plan to deal with the debt ceiling troubles?

http://billingsgazette.com/news/sta...cle_1994cb2e-ba70-11e0-9628-001cc4c002e0.html

The Democratic governor announced Thursday that the state ended the fiscal year with a $340 million surplus, making Montana one of eight states not facing a shortfall ... I don't see a lot of legislative will to borrow any money or do anything to fund the entitlement programs

http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/26/news/economy/debt_ceiling_california/index.htm

Eight major financial institutions, including Goldman Sachs (GS, Fortune 500) and Wells Fargo (WFC, Fortune 500), put up the funds, which will help the state with its daily cash flow needs. Also, the money will cover California in case the federal government delays payments for services such as health care and transportation ... Lockyer plans to issue the debt eventually and use the proceeds to pay off the bridge loan.

Hey everybody, let's all move out to that new state GoldmanFargonia, I hear they pay you for not working.

 

[James48843]

"They will make on time and in full the payments to debt holders, and we believe that they will make on time and in full the payments to Social Security recipients. Beyond that, it's very difficult to say that anybody will be paid on time and in full," Bell said. "If I were a federal worker, I would be concerned that I would not get paid."


Bell also has a reminder to federal workers that unlike a continuing resolution, in which employees can be designated as essential, that distinction does not exist in this instance.



"We're in uncharted territory, and I would think most of the assumptions people are making about 'Am I essential, am I non-essential?' are pretty irrelevant when they start having to make this priority decision list," Bell said.


"If it goes on two or three weeks, in my view, there will be substantially more than 50 percent of the civilian workforce in the federal government laid off because that's the only remaining money," Bell said.

More:
http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=15&sid=2474285

 

[burrocrat]

whew, i could use some spare time, i thought they were going to make us work for free.

 

[Boghie]

About a thousand (25% of the furloughed jobs) of the furloughed jobs are located in Washington D.C.. How many D.C. jobs are essential to the mission of the FAA nationwide?

A large reason for stopping the funding was an insistance to fund a Federal subsidy for small-town airports:

The House bill also curtails a federal subsidy program that provides commercial air service to small-town airports. The program was created in 1978 after airline deregulation, with an expected 10-year life span. Three presidents — Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush — later targeted it for elimination, but it has been extended by Congress and now costs about $163 million a year.

There has been a bi-partisan effort to cut that program for two decades. Cut them. I don't want to pay a thousand dollars per ticket to fly someone anywhere.

The other major reason for CongressCritter Mica's poison pill was to slow down the unionization of FAA personel. Certainly the 1000 persons in the high rent district known as Washington D.C. must be unionized. Otherwise, they will be forced to dig cancer causing coal from ten mile deep mines. They will be oppressed government employees. See em' now. Even now, even when they are furloughed, their task masters are whipping them for 18 hour days sewing underwear in China. Oh, the humanity. What a joke.

And, when America didn't rise in anger, FedExec tells us that some of these folks are:

Affected positions include civil, electronic and aerospace engineers; attorneys; staff assistants; secretaries and aviation safety inspectors.

Nearly 50 medical, engineering and facilities workers

engineering and electronics technicians, computer and logistics specialists and support staff

BTW, I love the use of engineering. What type? Medical? And, do these critical folk tasked to support the unfunded earmark in question?

This funding HAS NOT been authorized since 2007.

Folks THIS IS AN EARMARK


By the way, the city of San Diego has stated that their airport modernization project will be uneffected. How is that?

 

[James48843]

By the way, the city of San Diego has stated that their airport modernization project will be uneffected. How is that?

City of San Diego airport modernization is unaffected, because they haven't yet submitting a request to be paid for it. As soon as they do, they will learn that there is no money, and so they will not be able to pay their contractors. Hundreds of projects around the country are in the same boat. You'll hear their airport officials say things like "FAA hasn't told us to stop, so we'll continue with our project unaffected. "

Truth is the FAA hasn't told them to stop, because the person responsible for telling them to stop isn't there anymore. When they request to get paid, they'll find out when the check doesn't come.

 

[Warrenlm]

When the dust settles, federal employees will be paid retroactively for their time off and contractors will receive equitable upward adjustments, without even having to go into dispute. But meanwhile, a lot of breathless 'sky is falling' is all that some people know how to contribute, in addition to taking OPM. Just like it serves other evil people's inner self to alarm 85 year old grandmas about their social security check. Evil, not tactics, just evil.

 

[clester]

Holding a gun to the country's head and threatening to shoot is immoral and evil.

 

[Buster]

When the dust settles, federal employees will be paid retroactively for their time off and contractors will receive equitable upward adjustments, without even having to go into dispute. But meanwhile, a lot of breathless 'sky is falling' is all that some people know how to contribute, in addition to taking OPM. Just like it serves other evil people's inner self to alarm 85 year old grandmas about their social security check. Evil, not tactics, just evil.

Sad but true..some people here just thrive on gloom and doom..Good points and reps to you.

 

[burrocrat]

Spending our nation into destruction and ruin is immoral and evil.