Chris Dorner in gun battle with police right now

[Viva_La_Migra]

Police intentionally set fire to the building in order to kill Dorner.

Would you consider that murder?

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Sounds like they expected him to exit out of the opposite end of where the fire was. It doesn't sound to me as though they intended to kill him. It also sounds like the guy shot himself rather than go through the arrest and trial. Probably did we the taxpayers a favor.

 

[PLANO]

By whom? Who is acting as judge and jury and executioner?

Dorner was an imminent threat to the officers and surrounding community. He had a position of cover, was heavily armed, had already shot two officers at the location and had fired additional rounds. Any round fired out of that cabin could seriously injure or kill someone.

If someone pulls a weapon on me, I don't have to call a judge to find out if I can shoot them. That's what I'm paid to do, protect the community from evil doers.

Here's the FBI Deadly Force Policy: FBI special agents may use deadly force only when necessary—when the agent has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the agent or another person. If feasible, a verbal warning to submit to the authority of the special agent is given prior to the use of deadly force.

 

[wavecoder]

They countered deadly force with deadly force. They were just trying to smoke him out, which was probably smart because staying in a fire fight with this guy was a stalemate, and more cops were getting shot. This guy was obviously a good marksman and getting in a fire fight with him wasn't working, so they had to chance their strategy.

Like others said, I think they were trying to smoke him out of the house, not burn him alive. If that was the case they'd just send in dudes with flame throwers haha

 

[James48843]

Picked up on facebook:

Just a thought,

Dorner brought Ash Wednesday to whole nother level.

Doh!

 

[nnuut]

Another NUTCASE with a gun, do I see a trend here?

 

[OBGibby]

The local Sheriff said the fire was not set intentionally. No one on this Board knows the context of the purported radio transmissions referenced earlier in this thread. A comment by a law enforcement officer overheard on live news coverage wherein he says something to the effect of "burn this m*****f***** down!" is not evidence of intent or a plan to do anything - rather, it's suggestive of an individual who likely expressed his emotion in a fluid and intense situation. To continue to suggest that law enforcement "intentionally set fire to the building in order to kill Dorner" is irresponsible and not supportable by any facts known at this time. Of course, that's never prevented those with a particular political axe to grind from putting their foot in the mouth. Common decency is an uncommon virtue these days, I suppose.

 

[James48843]

The local Sheriff said the fire was not set intentionally.

Of course not. Because if it was intentional, then someone (*like the Sheriff) might open themselves up to criminal charges.

No one on this Board knows the context of the purported radio transmissions referenced earlier in this thread. A comment by a law enforcement officer overheard on live news coverage wherein he says something to the effect of "burn this m*****f***** down!" is not evidence of intent or a plan to do anything - rather, it's suggestive of an individual who likely expressed his emotion in a fluid and intense situation.

Correct. Emotion in a fluid and intense situation would tend to argue for second degree murder rather than first degree. If the intent was not to kill them, might even fall to manslaughter. A case can even be made that it was a legal homicide under California law section 197.(4)....., but I'd say that it at least deserves to be fully investigated.

To continue to suggest that law enforcement "intentionally set fire to the building in order to kill Dorner" is irresponsible and not supportable by any facts known at this time. Of course, that's never prevented those with a particular political axe to grind from putting their foot in the mouth. Common decency is an uncommon virtue these days, I suppose.

I kind of thought that this one was going to be a bad ending when I saw the 71-year old newspaper delivery woman was shot when 7 officers opened fire on her. Yep, we agree that common decency is an uncommon virtue these days.

 

[James48843]

Positive ID on Dorner made through dental records:

Remains found in the burned cabin where Dorner made his last stand Tuesday were positively identified Thursday through dental examination, said Jodi Miller, spokeswoman for the San Bernardino County sheriff-coroner.

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[nnuut]

When that SOB shot the first shot out of the cabin window he started a gunfight, at anytime after that the police could legally shot him and kill him, so why not burn down the cabin? This man was on a killing spree and YES he deserved to die. WAKE UP!

 

[Buster]

Hey Jim..word to the wise..Don't rent any Yellow Ryder trucks right now or look to buy any large quanities of Fertilizer..just saying

 

[James48843]

Hey Jim..word to the wise..Don't rent any Yellow Ryder trucks right now or look to buy any large quanities of Fertilizer..just saying

They don't even let me buy a bottle of round-up anymore Buster.

 

[RealMoneyIssues]

They don't even let me buy a bottle of round-up anymore Buster.

I can't buy a week's supply of sudafed for a family of 4 anymore either... stupid meth-heads

 

[OBGibby]

Setting fire to a perfectly good cabin

They didn't.

send in a real swat team, throw in some tear gas

They did.

 

[OBGibby]

Of course not. Because if it was intentional, then someone (*like the Sheriff) might open themselves up to criminal charges.







Correct. Emotion in a fluid and intense situation would tend to argue for second degree murder rather than first degree. If the intent was not to kill them, might even fall to manslaughter. A case can even be made that it was a legal homicide under California law section 197.(4)....., but I'd say that it at least deserves to be fully investigated.




I kind of thought that this one was going to be a bad ending when I saw the 71-year old newspaper delivery woman was shot when 7 officers opened fire on her. Yep, we agree that common decency is an uncommon virtue these days.

You said the police intentionally set the cabin on fire, implied they murdered Dorner, and considered law enforement involved to be cowards. Yet, you've presented nothing definitive or convincing to support the narrative you are becoming more and more attached to. Rather, your refusal to be objective when assessing what's known about the situation has led you down a path that has only shown you to be foolish. No matter how much you want to believe something won't make it so.

With what's known at this point I would not confuse an officer's statement expressing his glee at the house burning down to be anything more than a comment, not unlike comments likely uttered by many other individuals who watched the events unfold on television and muttered things to themselves or others around them, either expressing their approval or disapproval of the outcome. You liken the comment to something akin to an admission of guilt, which it is not.

Nice shuck and jive away from the decency comment - confirmation that whatever supply you have of it continues to be depleted. Don't bother answering the shame question, I already know the answer.

 

[nnuut]

Kinda like sending in a Drone to blow him up, it's OK.

 

[RealMoneyIssues]

Fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner died from gunshot to head, sheriff says | Fox News