Birchtree's Account Talk

Re: Birchtree's account talk

I'll take the opposite of that bet. The dollar will stay weak a while longer and will eventually strengthen on its own merits. Historically, the stock market has always been bullish when the dollar rises, sp I'll remain patient. A little pullback is really healthy - allows us Sarah types to reload.
 
Re: Birchtree's account talk

A little pullback is really healthy - allows us Sarah types to reload.

Good morning Birch,
I wish I could see 'Sarah' from your eyes Birch ;). I don't know her like you at all; afraid my image has been marred a bit and quitting her job as Governor from my perspective 'proves' she was not fit for duty. So I'm afraid I've been a little soured from numerous events openly aired....

But if I could see her from your eyes -- that would be good. :)

Anyway -- I wish you wouldn't talk about a healthy 'pullback' -- AND no pain (no gain). Birch, I'd a thousand times rather the Markets SOAR --- especially now that we're about the only ones left in. :D
 
Re: Birchtree's account talk

Did you take into account locking in those large profits? It is only
human nature to finish the year with big gains. To insure that, would expect
increased selling pressure. I see a sea of red...perhaps I need a vision check.

I do like your optimism though...I can' help but cheer for you. I wish I had
your longterm wisdom. For now, just want to preserve my cash for future purchases.
 
"The Real Jobless Rate is 17.5 Percent"
The 'Real' Jobless Rate: 17.5% Of Workers Are Unemployed


EMPLOYMENT, UNEMPLOYMENT, JOBLESS RATE, U-6, U-3, RECOVERY, STOCK MARKET NEWS
Posted By: Jeff Cox | CNBC.com

CNBC.com
| 19 Nov 2009 | 01:22 PM ET

As experts debate the potential speed of the US recovery, one figure looms large but is often overlooked: nearly 1 in 5 Americans is either out of work or under-employed.

According to the government's broadest measure of unemployment, some 17.5 percent are either without a job entirely or underemployed. The so-called U-6 number is at the highest rate since becoming an official labor statistic in 1994.
The number dwarfs the statistic most people pay attention to—the U-3 rate—which most recently showed unemployment at 10.2 percent for March, the highest it has been since June 1983.

The difference is that what is traditionally referred to as the "unemployment rate" only measures those out of work who are still looking for jobs. Discouraged workers who have quit trying to find a job, as well as those working part-time but looking for full-time work or who are otherwise underemployed, count in the U-6 rate.
With such a large portion of Americans experiencing employment struggles, economists worry that an extended period of slow or flat growth lies ahead.
"To me there's no easy solution here," says Michael Pento, chief economist at Delta Global Advisors. "Unless you create another bubble in which the economy can create jobs, then you're not going to have growth. That's the sad truth."
Pento warns that forecasts of a double-dip ("W") or a straight up ("V") recovery both could be too optimistic given the jobs situation.
Instead, he believes the economy could flatline (or "L") for an extended period as small businesses struggle to grow and consequently rehire the workers that have been furloughed as the U-3 unemployment rate has doubled since March 2008.

As that trend has happened, the U-6 rate has expanded at an even more dramatic pace. Economists cite several reasons for the phenomenon.
For one, more workers are becoming discouraged as real estate—the focal point for the expansion in the earlier part of the decade—has collapsed and taken millions of directly related and ancillary jobs with it.
Many workers believe those jobs aren't coming back, and have thus quit looking and added themselves to the broader unemployment count.
"In the earlier part of this decade, 40 percent of all new jobs created were in real estate. Attorneys, mortgage brokers, agents, construction—they were all circled around housing," Pento says. "We've had a jobless recovery in the last two recessions. This is going to be the third jobless recovery in a row."
Another factor that may be leading people onto the rolls of those no longer looking for jobs is the government's accommodative extensions of jobless benefits.
"Workers are unemployed for a much longer span than we've seen historically," says David Resler, chief economist at Nomura Securities International in New York. "Part of that may be affected by the longer availability of benefits. It reduces the incentives for an urgent job search."
The U-6 rate debuted in January of 1994 at 11.8 percent, while the U-3 was at 6.6 percent. The measure hit a low of 6.9 percent in April 2000 while U-3 sat at 3.8 percent.
While the current methodology only dates back 15 years, a former U-6 gauge was in existence previously and peaked at 14.3 percent in 1982. Economists predict the current measure would fall just below that number using the same methodology.

"We're in the process of discovering how severe this recession and the long-run impact on certain industries will be and what that will do to overall employment," Resler says. The U-6 rate "portends a very slow, sluggish recovery."
If that holds and the US economy stays weak, that presents challenges for investors.
"People focus too much on that 10 percent number and not on the larger number," says Kevin Mahn, chief investment officer at Hennion & Walsh in Parsippany, N.J. "There's a humongous inventory of people out there looking for work and have been looking for work for a long time. Where are those jobs going to come from?"
High unemployment and the resulting pressure on consumers is driving many investors to look for opportunities overseas and in other assets.
Walsh says that trend is going to continue, with clients going to foreign markets, real estate investment trusts, certain bonds—anywhere that can offer profits above the slow-growth mire of US-based investments.
"If full employment is 4 percent, people are wondering how we're going to get from 10 (percent) to 4. Well, try getting from 17 to 4. We may not get back to full employment for a decade," Mahn says. "As an investor, that causes me to look for different places now. Maybe you can't just put money in US large caps and ride out this recovery."
 
Felix, you are correct. The problem is everyone wants to report the monthly preliminary unemployment number, as the "latest". Not to be mistaken for "the greatest" because it's preliminary and does not include everything. Monthly snapshots are like that.
 
"Just a few months ago, experts were saying it would take years for ordinary people to recover the losses they suffered from the horrific stock market decline at the end of 2008 and beginning of 2009. But a new study from Fidelity indicates that many ordinary investors are quite well - as long as they didn't panic and kept putting money into the market. How is this possible? Mostly because the huge fall in the stock market created a buying opportunity of a lifetime. Investors who continued to contribute to 401(K) accounts and TSP were able to buy stocks and mutual fund shares at very low prices. When the market rallied the returns poured in. It all goes back to a basic rule of retirement investing - it must be viewed as a long-term venture and ahould not be tinkered with in reaction to short-term market disruptions. And don't knee-jerk react and make decisions you'll regret in the depths of crisis times." Please do yourself a favor and read one more time. If you put money in the G fund - tisk, tisk.

http://www.businessinsider.com The Money Game
 
I have to take a moment and recognize both tom1tom1 and Lostdawg for providing me my affirmative action opportunity to achieve my potential to move up the tracker. We all need a break like that. Thanx guys.
 
Yes, but only if it climbs right back up tomorrow and keeps going. I plan on being back in ASAP. Haven't decided on the mix yet. I missed an opportunity on the last dip and figure I'll role the dice on this one. Would have been nice if I had jumped a day earlier, but thats just woulda coulda shoulda. (We won't talk about the fact that I didn't see how much it dropped today, until after the cut off.) :(
Do enjoy your little section of the www here. Always the first place I stop by when I hit TSP talk.

Besides, I'm hoping to pass up those I funders in my way.
 
Thanks Birch for the advice on the large-caps leading the way but now getting a little nervous on the way up, but like Lostdawg my short term goal is to navigate above the I-funders which I accomplished. Don't worry your in my rear view mirror as we proceed and won't let you pass me..
 
Well the damage of the last two days wasnt all that bad, whats it going to do tomorrow, Birch? Will we see the start of the late November seasonal upswing?

Q: TSP is closed on Thursday right? Market is as well? Do both open on Friday and when is last opportunity to make IFT and have it apply at Fridays close, be effective on next Monday?

thanks have a great weekend, mine starts in 10 minutes :D
 
FAB1,

I suspect that next week will be hotter than a turkey shoot even if it is a short week. The only problem lately is that the NYSE advance/decline line is beginning to diverge from price but may get the opportunity to straighten out next week. I'm really bullish into March '10 - then comes the 10% correction. I've gotta catch the tom1tom1 - I'll be drafting his bumper shortly.
 
Birch,
I'm all in -- and I'm about as 'hi risk' as you can possibly get. :)

At some point when you go in -- you realize that no matter what happens in a week or two (going from 17% something to 8% something -- and back to 15% something)...

...somewhere down the line ... when the Markets soar and you've got a 3%+ Gain one day -- followed by several more huge gains...


...you realize that 'holding on' is the best way to go. :D:D
 
That tataberto is up to something - he's on the move again. Some impressive moves lately. I hope he has a large portfolio - 'cause he's in the money.
 
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