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Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Alan D. Bersin said Thursday he didn't know he's required by law to file paperwork verifying that his household employees were authorized to work in the United States.


Sorry - everyone - this is simply the kind of thing that probably MOST gets on my nerves when I hear this kind of stuff.

I have no idea who the dude is -- but seriously - this just the kind of thing you have to roll your eyes and say 'Oh come on - Get REAL'.

If you look at just this comment it means either:

1. To be a Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection requires no intelligence beyond a tree stump or a rock - and no processing skills regarding mental content or use of mental facilities.

I mean how could you not know that??

2. By trying to look 'innocent' - he looks like the biggest idiot in the world and therefore should be even more punished.

So whatever -- I'm not trying to cause problems but I'd have to go with (#2) --- and make him wear a dunce hat at a mimimum.


Well have a great weekend everyone !!!

Oh and hey -- everyone that's requested my friendship lately Thank You --- I'm deeply honored -- I really am.

OK --- later all
 
It seems the administration's representative is using the AZ law as an example of human rights abuse in our nation. Par for the course nowadays that we're no longer proud of our nation and must tell the world.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalp...human-rights-china-conservatives-apology.html
US Cites AZ Immigration Law During Human Rights Talks with China, Conservatives Call It An Apology

ABC News' Kirit Radia reports:
During two days of talks about human rights with China last week, the US raised examples of problems on its own soil and cited Arizona's controversial new immigration law as an example of "racial discrimination."
“We brought it up early and often. It was mentioned in the first session and as a troubling trend in our society, and an indication that we have to deal with issues of discrimination or potential discrimination. And these are issues very much being debated in our own society,” Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy Human Rights and Labor Michael Posner, who led the US delegation to the talks, told reporters on Friday.
That the US mentioned the Arizona law during talks about human rights with China, consistently ranked among the worst human rights violators in the world, has raised the ire of some conservatives who see the US as apologizing for the law to a country that persecutes its own dissidents and minorities.
 
Maybe there are things everyone else knows about that I simply have no clue is part of the new AZ law.


I believe the AZ law - simply gives the Police the right to ask for some form of Identification to anyone they 'suspect' may be an illegal Immigrant'.

It this is TRUE - then the only ones that should even remotely be bothered are the 'Illegal Immigrants'.

No one else - period. How could this in anyway violate human rights UNLESS the Government totally and without any kind of reservation grants all of them 'Full Immunity and Full US Citizenship'.

They are 'Illegals' - and therefore are breaking the law and that's what this is all about.

If the new AZ law said - 'Police will now have the right to check people and cars for suspected 'Illicit Drug Trafficing' :sick::rolleyes:

To me it's pretty much the exact same thing. Either there are parts of this AZ law others know - that I don't. Or people in this day and age are simply going crazy and it's too ridiculous to try to argue.

If it's the way I believe it is -- be really glad I'm not in the AZ police force. To me it makes a lot of sense.

But if even Birch thinks it's wrong -- maybe I am the wrong one.
 
Steady (and all)
Here is the verbage of SB1070:

www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

Honestly, most of the verbage is just identifying a suspected criminal as and alien, immigrant, or citizen. They cannot just go after someone for the sole purpose of citizenship.

This law also provides penalty verbage for those people who "hire" aliens.

This also goes after gang activity as well.:cool:

 
I had to show my drivers license in order
to vote . That should be required at every polling station!



I must show ID when:
1. Pulled over by the police (lol I like to get where I'm going!)
2. Making purchases on my department store credit card.
3. When I show up for a doctor's appointment.
4. When filling out a credit card or loan application.
5. When applying for/renewing a driver's license or passport.
6. When applying for any kind of insurance.
7. When filling out college applications.
8. When donating blood.
9. When obtaining certain prescription drugs.
10. When making some debit purchases, especially if I'm out of state.
11. When collecting a boarding pass for airline or train travel.


12. When cashing a check.
I'm sure there are more instances but the point is, we citizens are required
to prove who we are nearly every day.
Why should people illegally in this country be exempt? For that matter,
perhaps AL SHARPTON can answer the question as to why we shouldn't
guard our borders as closely as every other country in the world does?
GO ARIZONA!!!!

 
You all wanna know what the funny part of this whole immigration and California's boycott of AZ? Arizona used the same words that California ALREADY HAS ON THE BOOKS!!!!!:D Passed in 2001!!!
Calif. Penal Code Sec. 834b

834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws.

(b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following:

(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status.

(2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States.

(3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity.

(c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.
 
You guys need to get with the program. There's a reason the discussion is about immigration REFORM instead of immigration ENFORCEMENT. Some don't want no stinkin enforcement. I think I might check on that Norwegian patiently waiting for legal admittance and tell her to fly to Mexico.
 
Warrenlm said:
You guys need to get with the program. There's a reason the discussion is about immigration REFORM instead of immigration ENFORCEMENT. Some don't want no stinkin enforcement. I think I might check on that Norwegian patiently waiting for legal admittance and tell her to fly to Mexico.
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And that is why I am right behind you!!!!
:cool:
 
Frixxxx said:
Steady (and all)
Here is the verbage of SB1070:

www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

Honestly, most of the verbage is just identifying a suspected criminal as and alien, immigrant, or citizen. They cannot just go after someone for the sole purpose of citizenship.

This law also provides penalty verbage for those people who "hire" aliens.

This also goes after gang activity as well.:cool:
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Thanks Frixxx, much appreciated.

Frixxxx said:
You all wanna know what the funny part of this whole immigration and California's boycott of AZ? Arizona used the same words that California ALREADY HAS ON THE BOOKS!!!!!:D Passed in 2001!!!
Calif. Penal Code Sec. 834b
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That kind of stuff burns me up :mad:

To me a 'Border State' is going out of there way to do everything RIGHT - and deliberately establish the best example they can. This is enacted from the TOP down -- clearly in the best interests of the State of AZ and the USA as a whole -- totally spelling out everything and working in cooperation with all law enforcement agencies and bestowing on them the honor and credit they deserve...

Then you've got the low life scumbags that will take any possible opportunity to take anything they can to twist it in such a way to make themselves 'look good' :mad: by making someone else look bad.

Anyway all we can do is just let it ride out and see what happens. To boycott AZ for actively making genuine efforts to better address the long standing and undeniable problems they face is WRONG.
 
Frixxxx said:
You all wanna know what the funny part of this whole immigration and California's boycott of AZ? Arizona used the same words that California ALREADY HAS ON THE BOOKS!!!!!:D Passed in 2001!!!
Calif. Penal Code Sec. 834b

834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws.

(b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following:

(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status.

(2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States.

(3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity.

(c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.
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Deja Vu! ;)
http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=271654&postcount=349
 
Frixxxx said:
You all wanna know what the funny part of this whole immigration and California's boycott of AZ? Arizona used the same words that California ALREADY HAS ON THE BOOKS!!!!!:D Passed in 2001!!!
Calif. Penal Code Sec. 834b

834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws.

(b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following:

(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status.

(2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States.

(3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity.

(c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.
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:laugh: Somebody has not been doing their reading homework. :rolleyes: So California has been racial profiling since 2001? Has ice cream sales dropped off? :laugh: Where was the outrage then... oh yeah... I keep forgetting... that darn old hypocrasy just keeps jumping up and biting them in the arse.
 
US Cites AZ Immigration Law During Human Rights Talks with China, Conservatives Call It An Apology

May 17, 2010 12:17 PM


ABC News' Kirit Radia reports:
During two days of talks about human rights with China last week, the US raised examples of problems on its own soil and cited Arizona's controversial new immigration law as an example of "racial discrimination."
“We brought it up early and often. It was mentioned in the first session and as a troubling trend in our society, and an indication that we have to deal with issues of discrimination or potential discrimination. And these are issues very much being debated in our own society,” Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy Human Rights and Labor Michael Posner, who led the US delegation to the talks, told reporters on Friday.
That the US mentioned the Arizona law during talks about human rights with China, consistently ranked among the worst human rights violators in the world, has raised the ire of some conservatives who see the US as apologizing for the law to a country that persecutes its own dissidents and minorities.
“China murdered millions of its citizens who opposed the government's Communist policies and allows most of its people little or no freedom. We, on the other hand, enforce our immigration laws. No, wait--actually we don't. That's why Arizona had to take a shot at it,” the conservative blog Powerline wrote on Sunday.
The Arizona immigration law requires law enforcement to inquire about an individual’s immigration status if there is suspicion they are in the country illegally. Supporters of the law say it will weed out illegal immigrants and help secure the border. Opponents say it opens the door to racial profiling. The Obama administration has come out against the law; President Obama has called it “misguided.” [more]
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalp...human-rights-china-conservatives-apology.html
 
Gotta love Arizona's response.:D

"Doggone it -- if you're going to boycott this candy store ... then don't come in for any of it," Pierce told FoxNews.com.

That is the quote of the day, my friends.:nuts:
 
Renegotiate was a key word. Power is pretty involved. Seems like wishful thinking and posturing for self satisfaction. It will be interesting to see if Arizona really can withstand the pressure or will have to adjust. I hope they lead the rest of us and do not cave.
 
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