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burrocrat said:
maybe something about sovereign rights and independence? or how about the UN would be broke without US funding? (that's you and me folks). more taxes anyone, they've done such a good job managing our current contributions, now where did i put my rose colored glasses?
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You're absolutely correct that the US provides a lot of funding to the UN, 22% of its funding, to be exact. We are also behind on our dues to the UN by almost $300 million.

Regarding sovereign rights, Chapter 1, Article 1, part 2 states that purpose of the UN Charter is: “To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace.”

Regarding managing our contributions, in 2008 Senator Patrick Leahy, chair of the Senate Appropriations subcommittee on foreign operations, was quoted: "Joint efforts through the United Nations cost us far less … and can also be more effective."
 
XL-entLady said:
We are also behind on our dues to the UN by almost $300 million.
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she it that just pocket change, not even walkin around money, don't we have some leftovers from the banker bailout? oh, they'll get their pound of flesh alright.

take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace
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peace is only real when shared from the heart, not bought.

Joint efforts through the United Nations cost us far less … and can also be more effective
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at the risk of offending service members and relations - their personal sacrifice is extreme, i question the magnitude of the expenditures our society bears, both currently and to future generations.

oh God, i promised myself i wouldn't do this...

"i try and i try to pry my mind from the gutter, gutter brain..."

(there's an old punk song, i can't place it right now, but if memory serves, it is appropriate here)
 
XL-entLady said:
Excuse me for not understanding this reaction to the news story about the UN expressing concerns about the Arizona law. Could you please clarify for me? Is it because you don't agree with the UN? Or that you don't care about the UN? Or ....?
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From the article:
In their statement, the six U.N. experts said: "States are required to respect and ensure the human rights of all persons subject to their jurisdiction, without discrimination."

Citizens have rights, immigrants have status, aliens have none of the above.... No discrimination there. Really? Where is the "human rights" violation?

Since when is the U.N. the final "or any" authority of any law in America?:suspicious:
 
James48843 said:
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This is ridiculous, my wife speaks English with a heavy accent and surely shouldn't be teaching immigrants English, she would teach them how to speak English with a heavy accent!!! She is a LEGAL Immigrant and carries her GREEN CARD like she is REQUIRED TO! I'm sure if we were stopped by a traffic cop in Arizona for violating the LAW the driver would be the only person in the car required to ID himself! Do you have any idea how many Latinos live in Arizona there are places where they are the Majority and you seldom see anyone that doesn't look Hispanic what do you think they are going to do, stop everybody without a reason other than the way they look? They are NOT going to do that, you will have to show ID if you commit a crime, apply for a job, etc. This fear is exaggerated to the 15th degree and the reason is clear, they want the Illegals to stay here even though they are BREAKING Federal and State laws!
 
nnuut said:
This is ridiculous, This fear is exaggerated to the 15th degree and the reason is clear, they want the Illegals to stay here even though they are BREAKING Federal and State laws!
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Careful Norm..:rolleyes:

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Frixxxx said:
Since when is the U.N. the final "or any" authority of any law in America?:suspicious:
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Since Nov. 20, 1994.

Following are the President's message to the Senate and the text of the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment signed on behalf of the United States by Deputy Secretary of State John C. Whitehead on April 18, 1988, at the United Nations. The United States became the 63d nation to sign the convention, which was adopted by the UN General Assembly in December 1984 and entered into force on June 26, 1987, after it was ratified by 20 nations.
MESSAGE TO THE SENATE, MAY 20, 1988.sup.1
With a view to receiving the advice and consent of the Senate to ratification, subject to certain reservations, understandings, and declarations, I transmit herewith the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. The Convention was adopted by unanimous agreement of the United Nations General Assembly on December 10, 1984, and entered into force on June 26, 1987. The United States signed it on April 18, 1988. 1 also transmit, for the information of the Senate, the report of the Department of State on the Convention.
The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention . It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.
The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called "universal jurisdiction." Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution.
In view of the large number of States concerned, it was not possible to negotiate a treaty that was acceptable to the United States in all respects. Accordingly, certain reservations, understandings, and declarations have been drafted, which are discussed in the report of the Department of State. With the inclusion of these reservations, understandings, and declarations, I believe there are no constitutional or other legal obstacles to United States ratification, The recommended legislation necessary to implement the Convention will be submitted to the Congress separately.
Should the Senate give its advice and consent to ratification of the Convention, I intend at the time of deposit of United States ratification to make a declaration pursuant to Article 28 that the United States does not recognize the competence of the Committee against Torture under Article 20 to make confidential investigations of charges that torture is being systematically practiced in the United States. In addition, I intend not to make declarations, pursuant to Articles 21 and 22 of the Convention, recognizing the competence of the Committee against Torture to receive and consider communications from States and individuals alleging that the United States is violating the Convention. I believe that a final United States decision as to whether to accept such competence of the Committee should be withheld until we have had an opportunity to assess the Committee's work. It would be possible for the United States in the future to accept the competence of the Committee pursuant to Articles 20, 21, and 22, should experience with the Committee prove satisfactory and should the United States consider this step desirable.
By giving its advice and consent to ratification of this Convention, the Senate of the United States will demonstrate unequivocally our desire to bring an end to the abhorrent practice of torture.
RONALD REAGAN
TEXT OF CONVENTION2
Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment
The States Parties to this Convention,
Considering that, in accordance with the principles proclaimed in the Charter of the United Nations, recognition of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family in the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Recognizing that those rights derive from the inherent dignity of the human person,
Considering the obligation of States under the Charter, in particular Article 55, to promote universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms,
Having regard to Article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and article 7 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, both of which provide that no one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Having regard also to the Declaration on the Protection of All Persons from Being Subjected to Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, adopted by the General Assembly on 9 December 1975.
Desiring to make more effective the struggle against torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment throughout the world.

Signed by the United States, April 18, 1988
Transmitted to the US Sentate by Ronal Regan May 20, 1988
Ratified by the U.S. Senate October 21, 1994
Entry into force of law Nov 20, 1994

http://www.bayefsky.com/./html/usa_t1_ratifications.php
http://www.bayefsky.com/docs.php/area/ratif/state/184
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When the U.S. signs a treaty, the treaty becomes an obligation under the U.S. Constitution.

Discussion:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/10.html
 
James,

America "adopted" the treaty into it's law. Not the other way around. See...Now, STOP.

NO HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION HAS OCCURRED. NO LAW HAS BEEN ENFORCED. :suspicious:
 
I hope that people are cognizant of the immigration laws of the other countries in the UN? Check them out!!! Tell me how many other UN Members allow Illegal Immigrants to reside in their countries.:laugh:
 
nnuut said:
I hope that people are cognizant of the immigration laws of the other countries in the UN? Check them out!!! Tell me how many other UN Members allow Illegal Immigrants to reside in their countries.:laugh:
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Concur....Hey, I don't think they've stopped all those human rights violations in Saudi Arabia yet....or wait....North Korea.....or CUBA...OMG just what is this UN providing the world again?:suspicious:

As soon as people stop getting executed for speaking against their government, I'll give credit where credit is due!

Oh, and what about all those sanctions against Iran for going against UN Resolutions..

Put your faith into a different organization.
 
James48843 said:
Since Nov. 20, 1994.



When the U.S. signs a treaty, the treaty becomes an obligation under the U.S. Constitution.

Discussion:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/10.html
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And your point is???

Look at Title 8 United States Code Section 1325. It is a CRIME to enter the United States illegally! It can be charged as a Felony, Misdemeanor, or administratively through removal proceedings.

How is a state law specifically designed to instruct state and local law enforcement officers to enforce a federal law a human rights violation?
 
Viva La Migra said:
And your point is???

Look at Title 8 United States Code Section 1325. It is a CRIME to enter the United States illegally! It can be charged as a Felony, Misdemeanor, or administratively through removal proceedings.

How is a state law specifically designed to instruct state and local law enforcement officers to enforce a federal law a human rights violation?
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Still under the assumption that walking down the street is breaking the law. Everyone thinks it's profiling..... I've been on 6 ride alongs in California...you know how they profile?

THEY SUSPECT EVERYONE!:suspicious:

LOL, I watch as the officer taps license plate numbers into a computer....no hit, no hit, no hit......HIT......lights-sirens-chase....stop....you pulled me over cause I was "insert-ethnic group". No, you have a warrant and you are registered to this vehicle.....:cool:
 
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