American Al Qaeda militants killed

[Viva_La_Migra]

I know Obama signed the order that authorized the killing of this traitor, but since Bush gets blamed for everything else that has happened during the Obama administration, I say thanks President Bush!

On a serious note, Obama's getting pretty good at the assassination game...perhaps too good. Watch your six, Speaker Boehner.

 

[James48843]

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

food for thought.

 

[nnuut]

Sounds like you would rather we just leave him alone and let him go about his business, he is a trader in the time of war you know? Yes I did say trader and WAR in the same sentence!

 

[James48843]

Sounds like you would rather we just leave him alone and let him go about his business, he is a trader in the time of war you know? Yes I did say trader and WAR in the same sentence!

No, I wouldn't "leave him alone".

However, I am greatly concerned about the power of a sitting President to decide, on his own, who is sooo bad that he deserves to be killed outright--executed-the ultimate punishment-- without an indictment, trial, defense, witnesses, and a jury trial. Yes, I know that's asking for a lot. But it's no less than any other American deserves and is entitled to under our Constitution.

I may have missed something, but I haven't seen a Congressional declaration of war, as required by the U.S. Constitution. Exactly what nation are we at war with? http://hlr.rubystudio.com/media/pdf/bradley_goldsmith.pdf

It's a slippery slope.

 

[Buster]

Three cheers for Obama on this one..Nice Job..

Scumbags lost all rights to being a US citizen when they decided the camel fleas of Yemen and al-Qaida terrorists was who they rather support.

PS: Sorry Jim and FWM that some of your friends were blown to bits and or burned to a crisp...now we don't have to waste anymore tax payer dollars on their dead asses.

 

[nnuut]

No, I wouldn't "leave him alone".

However, I am greatly concerned about the power of a sitting President to decide, on his own, who is sooo bad that he deserves to be killed outright--executed-the ultimate punishment-- without an indictment, trial, defense, witnesses, and a jury trial. Yes, I know that's asking for a lot. But it's no less than any other American deserves and is entitled to under our Constitution.

I may have missed something, but I haven't seen a Congressional declaration of war, as required by the U.S. Constitution. Exactly what nation are we at war with? http://hlr.rubystudio.com/media/pdf/bradley_goldsmith.pdf

It's a slippery slope.

Oh! that's right we are NOT at WAR, but whoever is blowing up our buildings killing our citizens every chance they get are at WAR and they are at WAR with us. Ending that miserable freaks life before he can kill any more of us is justified by any way of reasonable thinking. He was an American but he lost that privilege due to his actions against the American people, he doesn't get an "indictment, trial, defense, witnesses, and a jury trial", we couldn't catch him anyway.

 

[James48843]

He was an American but he lost that privilege due to his actions against the American people, he doesn't get an "indictment, trial, defense, witnesses, and a jury trial".

So you are judge, jury, and executioner, eh?

The right to a trial isn't a privilege which a single branch of government can wake up one morning and declare not applicable. It's a constitutional right. For all U.S. citizens. Period.

He didn't lose his citizenship. That's one of the sticky points. One doesn't lose one's citizenship by leaving the country. Nor by taking up arms against the U.S. One's citizenship remains. That's a long held Supreme Court ruling.

 

[James48843]

Trop vs. Dulles, 1952, the Surpreme court penned this line:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0356_0086_ZO.html

Citizenship is not a license that expires upon misbehavior. The duties of citizenship are numerous, and the discharge of many of these obligations is essential to the security and wellbeing of the Nation. The citizen who fails to pay his taxes or to abide by the laws safeguarding the integrity of elections deals a dangerous blow to his country. But could a citizen be deprived of his nationality for evading these basic responsibilities of citizenship? In time of war, the citizen's duties include not only the military defense of the Nation, but also full participation in the manifold activities of the civilian ranks. Failure to perform any of these obligations may cause the Nation serious injury, and, in appropriate circumstances, the punishing power is available to deal with derelictions of duty. But citizenship is not lost every time a duty of citizenship is shirked. And the deprivation of citizenship [p93] is not a weapon that the Government may use to express its displeasure at a citizen's conduct, however reprehensible that conduct may be. As long as a person does not voluntarily renounce or abandon his citizenship, and this petitioner has done neither, I believe his fundamental right of citizenship is secure. On this ground alone, the judgment in this case should be reversed.

That's the U.S. Supreme Court talking.

No, one doesn't lose their citizenship, and protections under the U.S. Constitution--the right to a trial.

 

[nnuut]

Here talk to my Little Friend.
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[James48843]

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[RealMoneyIssues]

Sadly, as much as I don't mourn the loss, I have to agree with James.

We should have arrested him, put him on trial, lost the case, and set him free... It is the American way...

 

[Frixxxx]

And now for something, completely financial......

 

[nnuut]

There are others that feel the same way!
Ron Paul, Civil Liberties Groups Decry Killing of American Militant Without a Trial

Published September 30, 2011
| FoxNews.com





Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who is running for the Republican presidential nomination, cried foul Friday over the killing of a radical U.S.-born cleric in Yemen without a trial, joining a chorus of civil liberties groups raising "due process" concerns over the drone attack.
"No one likes these kind of people, but I also like the rule of law and I like our Constitution, that you don't just target people, assassinate them, someone who has not been charged and you have no proof of anything," Paul told Fox News. "So if we want to protect American citizens from that type of justice, we have to be more cautious."

U.S. counterterrorism forces not only killed Anwar al-Awlaki, an Al Qaeda leader, early Friday but also three other operatives, including American-born Samir Kahn, who edited a Jihadi Internet magazine. Al-Awlaki's reputation as an instigator of terrorist plots had grown in recent years, especially in the power void created in Al Qaeda with the killing of Usama bin Laden earlier this year.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney refused to answer questions Friday about the legality of the government targeting and killing an American citizen without a trial.
"I'm not going to address the circumstances of Awlaki's death," he said.
John Ashcroft, who was the attorney general in the Bush administration, told Fox News that he believes the operation was legal.
"The president goes through a significant process before he signs an order regarding these kinds of things," he said. "It would be based on evidence presented to him from the intelligence community, and I would expect that this evidence was not just of statements by al-Awlaki but that he was involved operationally not only in sighting but in carrying out terrorist attacks."



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...n-militant-without-due-process/#ixzz1ZUXLFpeV

 

[Buster]

Ron Paul is a wimp...

In announcing al-Awlaki's death, Obama said, "Al-Qaida and its affiliates will find no safe haven anywhere in the world."
"Working with Yemen and our other allies and partners, we will be determined, we will be deliberate, we will be relentless, we will be resolute in our commitment to destroy terrorist networks that aim to kill Americansm" he said.
Republicans and Democrats alike applauded the decision to launch the fatal assault on the convoy in Yemen.

http://news.yahoo.com/killing-americans-uncharted-ground-attack-212335475.html

 

[SteelSaving]

With this and OBL's death in mind, just keep in mind...
If these guys couldn't hide from the USofA in the wastelands of the middle east, just where can you hide from the gaze of Big Brother?

 

[Buster]

With this and OBL's death in mind, just keep in mind...
If these guys couldn't hide from the USofA in the wastelands of the middle east, just where can you hide from the gaze of Big Brother?

Who Cares?..Just keep your sh!t out of trouble and don't plan or attempt any terrorist attacks against the US or it's allies and you won't have anything to worry about..

But it seems that old Knothead here has found a good place to hide..

 

[Boghie]

Just call these unfortunate events 'friendly fire' accidents and leave the lawyers out of it!!!

Seriously, although I don't give a d@mn about these traitors, our eyes must be wide open. Caesar justified his actions on the precidents of Sulla.

 

[Boghie]

By the way,

A small number of American citizens fought for Nazi Germany in World War II.

Some were killed in the war. Some were captured. Some were tried for treason after. Certainly, the few active propagandists were hunted.

 

[SteelSaving]

Who Cares?..Just keep your sh!t out of trouble and don't plan or attempt any terrorist attacks against the US or it's allies and you won't have anything to worry about..

But it seems that old Knothead here has found a good place to hide..

I'm sure glad your trust in the media is greater then mine. For your sake anyway.

 

[Viva_La_Migra]

So you are judge, jury, and executioner, eh?

The right to a trial isn't a privilege which a single branch of government can wake up one morning and declare not applicable. It's a constitutional right. For all U.S. citizens. Period.

He didn't lose his citizenship. That's one of the sticky points. One doesn't lose one's citizenship by leaving the country. Nor by taking up arms against the U.S. One's citizenship remains. That's a long held Supreme Court ruling.

So all those people killed during the civil war should have been arrested and charged with treason?

When you take up arms against your country, you run the risk of being killed first.