Alexis de Tocqueville

[CountryBoy]

In "Democracy in America," Alexis de Tocqueville anticipated people being governed by "an immense, tutelary power" determined to take "sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate." It would be a power "absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident and gentle," aiming for our happiness but wanting "to be the only agent and the sole arbiter of that happiness." It would, Tocqueville said, provide people security, anticipate their needs, direct their industries and divide their inheritances. It would envelop society in "a network of petty regulations -- complicated, minute and uniform." But softly: "It does not break wills; it softens them, bends them, and directs them" until people resemble "a herd of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd."

Thus the term Sheeple. :nuts:


Damn that sounds like today, a clear and concise explanation of what is happening to this country right now. We are seeing it come true. Our offspring will live in this type of society, because of the American people didn't vote for the future but what the government can do for them.

CB
The crazy uncle in the attic

 

[Steadygain]

http://books.google.com/books?id=gT...e46aID&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7

Thanks CB,
A book from 1835 - timeless and priceless.

This is the kind of stuff I really enjoy because it would take such an incredible mind to piece this all together and see how things will play out in time. This is truely amazing.

 

[CountryBoy]

http://books.google.com/books?id=gT...e46aID&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7

Thanks CB,
A book from 1835 - timeless and priceless.

This is the kind of stuff I really enjoy because it would take such an incredible mind to piece this all together and see how things will play out in time. This is truely amazing.

Hi Steady,

Yeah this guy was way ahead of himself and could see the potential downfall or short comings that will bring about the downfall of great societies or maybe he just knew society would get lazy and eat itself. Another one that I like by him is;

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money”

And that sure is going on now.

Have a good one,
CB

Heading to Cincy tomorrow with my daughter to check out heer Apt. Her moving out is getting closer.

 

[nnuut]

Oh the dejavu is hitting hard. I did an essay on Mr. Alexis de Tocqueville and his visit to America in College!!! Amazing!

 

[Buster]

I like the car too..

 

[nnuut]

Is that the Lexis or the Queville?:laugh:

 

[Elgallo]

""""Damn that sounds like today, a clear and concise explanation of what is happening to this country right now.""""

Check out the "Obama Deception" by Alex Jones. If half true we have been had!

Not slamming either side here so don;'t go there.

 

[PessOptimist]

Heading to Cincy tomorrow with my daughter to check out heer Apt. Her moving out is getting closer.

I remember like it was yesterday moving my daughter in to her apartment in Cincinnati in 1990.

Moving to Cincy, de Toucqueville, crazy Uncles, Obama and "Quoupe" DeVille's all in the same thread.

These eclectic conversations are why I enjoy this board so much!

 

[CountryBoy]

I remember like it was yesterday moving my daughter in to her apartment in Cincinnati in 1990.

Moving to Cincy, de Toucqueville, crazy Uncles, Obama and "Quoupe" DeVille's all in the same thread.

These eclectic conversations are why I enjoy this board so much!

Yep the eclecticity (is that a word ?) does make for a great board.

I just got back from Cincy and old Dad is satified with everything. Nice area for the Apt, easy to get to work and the folks we met were nice, including the gun shop owner. Unfortunately walked awya empty handed from there, I have to pay off my latest buy and my daughter said Mom would kill me if I bought it home.

And eclectice is my middle name, ya gotta see my taste on music... from Beach Boys to Moody Blues to CW. :nuts:

And best of all my daughter and I had a great time.

CB

 

[Viva_La_Migra]

Hi Steady,

Yeah this guy was way ahead of himself and could see the potential downfall or short comings that will bring about the downfall of great societies or maybe he just knew society would get lazy and eat itself. Another one that I like by him is;

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money”

How about this little gem, which I dedicate to our Secretary of the Treasury: "A democratic government is the only one in which those who vote for a tax can escape the obligation to pay it."

 

[James48843]

Hi Steady,

Yeah this guy was way ahead of himself and could see the potential downfall or short comings that will bring about the downfall of great societies or maybe he just knew society would get lazy and eat itself. Another one that I like by him is;

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money”

And that sure is going on now.
.

Sorry CB- but Tocqueville NEVER said that.

You'll find that quote attributed to him on thousands of right-wing blogs, in republican writings, and more. The first time that quote shows up is about the middle of 2007, on some supporters of Ron Paul's websites. Then it blazes around on right-leaning websites across the web, from libertarians, to "Free Republic" and "World Net Daily". So, BOOM- it's accepted as fact by huge numbers of people as evidence. Do a google search on that phrase, and you'll find hundreds of right-learning web pages using that quote, and attributing it to Tocqueville.

Except for one small little fact.

That quote does not appear in ANY of Tocqueville's writings.

That's part of the problem with the internet.

Post something out there, and the next thing you know, hundreds of thousands pick it up and run with it, and claim it as fact, but no one actually READS Tocqueville to see what he actually said.


What a great world we would have if people only checked out the facts, and learned what Tocqueville REALLY said about America of the 1830's.


Thanks, Steady, for the link:
http://books.google.com/books?id=gT...a=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7#PPR7,M1

where you can read for yourself what Alexis de Tocqueville observed about American culture in 1835.

It's a great read. Every American should spend some time reading it. Gives a great perspective on why we are how we are.

 

[CountryBoy]

Sorry CB- but Tocqueville NEVER said that.

You'll find that quote attributed to him on thousands of right-wing blogs, in republican writings, and more. The first time that quote shows up is about the middle of 2007, on some supporters of Ron Paul's websites. Then it blazes around on right-leaning websites across the web, from libertarians, to "Free Republic" and "World Net Daily". So, BOOM- it's accepted as fact by huge numbers of people as evidence. Do a google search on that phrase, and you'll find hundreds of right-learning web pages using that quote, and attributing it to Tocqueville.

Except for one small little fact.

That quote does not appear in ANY of Tocqueville's writings.

That's part of the problem with the internet.

Post something out there, and the next thing you know, hundreds of thousands pick it up and run with it, and claim it as fact, but no one actually READS Tocqueville to see what he actually said.


What a great world we would have if people only checked out the facts, and learned what Tocqueville REALLY said about America of the 1830's.


Thanks, Steady, for the link:
http://books.google.com/books?id=gT...a=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7#PPR7,M1

where you can read for yourself what Alexis de Tocqueville observed about American culture in 1835.

It's a great read. Every American should spend some time reading it. Gives a great perspective on why we are how we are.

Thanks for the correction James,

It won't be the last time I'm wrong about something and thank you steady,just one less alarmist and wrongly attributed story you'll have to suffer thru from me. Ahhhh, just put me on ignore. Although whoever said it, you can't deny it sure rings true, but wait, you can deny it. My bad. Thank God for the left wing who is never wrong. Oh wait, thank some godless diety.

CB

 

[James48843]

Although whoever said it, you can't deny it sure rings true, but wait, you can deny it. My bad. Thank God for the left wing who is never wrong. Oh wait, thank some godless diety.

CB

It only rings true if reinforces the fiction that others, who attempt to influence by distortions of fact, would have you believe.

As for me- I like to focus on and champion for three things:


Truth.

Justice.

and The American Way.



(And yes, CB, I am a believer, so His reach even extends to the left. Do you find that hard to believe?)

 

[CountryBoy]

It only rings true if reinforces the fiction that others, who attempt to influence by distortions of fact, would have you believe.

As for me- I like to focus on and champion for three things:


Truth.

Justice.

and The American Way.



(And yes, CB, I am a believer, so His reach even extends to the left. Do you find that hard to believe?)

Well James,

We both focus on the 3 same things, it's just I believe our views of the American Way differ or how to obtain them. And at times, yes I do, because so many on the left just love to ridicule. Just look at Ms. California and the abuse she took for expressing her POV on gay marriage, first for having such a view and second for even having the audacity to express it. So much for the left's freedom of speech or maybe freedom of POV's. Everything is shades of gray to the left, for example, there is no evil, just a bad childhood. Always some extenuating circumstance. There is good and evil, right and wrong, sacred and profane, but the left always tries to obfuscate the obvious, regardlesss of how much evidence keeps appearig almost daily now.

But I don't like to discuss religion, since, like politics, very little gets changed and sometimes discussion is so, tiring, for lack of a better word. bHo is overstepping his constitutional rights, but the left see's no problem while the right does, latest example is now he's an Ad agency expert and halved Chryslers ad budget. I know ya'll say they took funds, so he can do what he want's, then I feel that people who take fed loans for education should repay them or have their wages garnished, but that will never happen.

I'm going to do my best to refrain from any politcal comments in the future, since it's pretty fruitless and just try to get a handle on the market, since this is what this message boards main purpose is.

There is a handful of folks here, that I value there opinion on the market and will continue to read and follow there posts, but will do my best to refrain from future discussions on bHo, since you've either drunk the kool-aid or you haven't, socialist or capitialist, constitutionalist or buffet constitutionalist.

I'm not giving up, by any means, just tired of replowing the same old ground everyday. You either like the direction this government is being taken or you don't. I don't and am passionate about it, but I'm fed up with the hipocrasy being expressed and condoned (and another caveat, Bush lost me at the start of his second term) so don't label me a damn republican.

Enjoy your day,
CB

 

[James48843]

... There is good and evil, right and wrong, sacred and profane,

Agreed. Totally.

....., then I feel that people who take fed loans for education should repay them or have their wages garnished, but that will never happen.

Federal Student Loans.....yes, anyone who takes student loans already DOES have to repay, or have their wages garnished.

Here is the procedure to have wages garnished for failing to pay back a federal student loan:

http://www.ed.gov/offices/OSFAP/DCS/awg.html

As for Chrysler's ad budget- Not sure on that one. I would have to learn more about it. Where did you find that information?

(Although I also believe that any corporation taking government taxpayer money should not be using that same money to lobby Congress or an administration official- that ought to be illegal, in my opinion. )