VP Debate Thread

[Silverbird]

My fiscal conservative husband was fustrated that he could not make heads or tails out of some of Palin's answers, because he doesn't know anything about Alaskan politics, oil revenues, etc. I knew in general what she was referring to, thanks to watching oil (*nod to Nnut for his help in this.*) and renewable energy/energy security issues, but not everyone watches that. I wonder how many others were in that boat?

 

[tsptalk]

News flash! Those who support Palin think Palin won the debate. Those who support Biden believe he won. Read all about it!

 

[Minnow]

I think the moderator won... $$$$$

 

[CountryBoy]

That's mean spirited.

The drive-by media would call that sexist if it is Hillary Bingo.

I thought that only Republicans were mean spirited and sexist. :laugh: I'm really shocked and dissappointed by the obvious hatred some folks have for Palin and the name calling. I thought it was pretty much a draw and was not the least bit suprised at the answers from each. Biden's experience helped him, but he's the same old thing, (what happened to change?) we've got now and Palin was a breath of fresh air and more of the common person. Personally I don't want the same old thing we've had since the Carter Days, look where it's gotten us.

It's all what you believe the government should be. A Socialistic country or a Democratic Country and if you can set your hatred aside and honestly look, at what each side stands for and wants to do and compare it to what socialism and democracy are, it's clearly obvious what they are. It's all public record and the debates really peg my BS meter. I'll not watch the Prez debates because simple research will tell you what they stand for, just by just looking at their respective voting records and who they surround themselves with.

I'm a black or white, good and evil type person and don't believe in nuances. To me nuances are just BS and an excuse for not taking personal responsiblility or having a lack of stong beliefs and principles. I'm actually dissappointed in the choices we have, but I'll hold my nose and vote anyway.

Well back outside to work on the woodpile for the winter. Nice cool day for cutting and splitting. Nice 3 day weekend.

CB

 

[Davehop21]

How many were not surprised that the mantra for this election has been we need to change. So when it came time for the vote here they went all voting yes for a bill full of pork Biden, Clinton, McCain and Obama. Talking about we need a change and voting yes for the same old pork barrel spending that has gotten us into this tax and spend freely problem.
Dave at VA

 

[nnuut]

I really don't care the reasons or the logic for supporting Biden. I planely like and trust Palin more than I do Biden and I think her and McCain are going to make life miserable for the CROOKS in DC! How can trust Obama?:suspicious:

 

[2EASY]

Palin was well rehearsed. Sounded like she was standing in front of a bunch of Sergeants Major at a E6 board. No substance...just souding off what she learned during her rehersals.

 

[Buster]

Ditto Norm..

So all ya all can just quit the hair splitting and suck it up.. Sarah Won and sounded like someone that can support the best interests of this country...


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[Frixxxx]

OK everyone, I've self-regulated to one political post on this MB a week. Here goes:

1. Vice-presidential debates never impress me.
2. Advisors are ALL our leaders can rely on when moving to and obtaining office.
3. The advisors are supposed "Experts" in their field. If they "train, coach, instruct, educate" their candidate properly, then the candidate should be able to repeat the main points with confidence.
4. This also pertains to presidential candidates.
5. Joe Biden and Sarah Palin stood up and took positions. Deal with it.
6. I always start my rebuttals with "Why don't you run if you can do better?"
7. I can't do a lot better than most when it comes to talking off the cuff so I don't run. But I could be an advisor in a technical capacity. Why? Because like 99.99% of the American public, I have time to think about my answer based on the facts I receive.
8. Sometimes, our politicians have MORE information than we do on certain topics and their decision on certain topics may have ramifications on other areas of the political realm. It may sound stupid from one perspective but it makes perfect sense from another.

My name is Frixxxx, and I approve this message.

As far as who wins in a debate: I don't care. As far as who wins in November:I really hope its me! Have a great weekend all!

 

[fabijo]

If the debates actually mattered, then people would be applying the following idiotic logic to their votes:

"Well, I don't agree with ____'s policy on energy, but he's a fine debater. So he's got my vote!"

too true. All we do is discuss who answers best or is better on their feet. We don't even care what the answers are or what actions will take place based off those answers.

 

[Silverbird]

Well, actually, now that you can get a transcript online, you can read what they have to say instead of relying on what you heard (or saw) right away. With the VP debate, I didn't know what Govenor Palin's policies were on some of the subjects (or wasn't sure). On the Presidential debate, it also was important to get the transcript, I often got the candidate's view through a media, or much worse, campaign ad filter.

Some of us do care what the substance was, and want some inkling of answers on issues frankly not discussed on the campaign trail. A moderator can bring up those type of issues.

 

[nnuut]

"Say it ain't so Joe":laugh::laugh:
http://www.drudgereport.com/

 

[Birchtree]

I was going to mention the Joe reference which is actually a throw back to the Reagan and Carter meeting - I thought it was great and well planned. She asked Biden before they began could she call him Joe. All the criticism that was thrown at McCain by Biden will be answered in the next debate with Nobama. Joe just wasted all the ammo for no result - most people know better than to believe him regardless of his attacks. Let's free up Fannie and Freddie to commit more damage Bill would be proud.

 

[nnuut]

Well Birch, that is what I call a fine Post!

 

[Steadygain]

How can trust Obama?

Well trust is a very delicate issue.

Over the years I've found that open communication is essential to developing trust. Many of our deep roots are very in synch with others we encounter and as we allow those roots to grow and blend into deeper bonds that bring us together (and keep us together) a TRUE SENSE of TRUST develops.

In time we go beyond casual (and non-committal) acquaintances into more deeper and hugely committed friendships that become significant relationships. This is where TRUST is mostly acknowledged and appreciated. This TRUST is the evidence of real love, of being understood, and knowing beyond the shadow of any doubt that you can depend on the one who has proved themselve. It's more a spiritual thing - something that you just know - something that wonderfully fills you.

There is no way possible you can trust Obama without a sense of BLIND FAITH. The funny thing is: 'this is equally true of all the others'. There is only our perception of how a woman (or man) appears and makes us feel. We are often swayed by our view of what it means to be a Republician or a Democrat and this view is totally reinforced by what others say and feel. But we can never TRUST any POLITICIAN in the sense of knowing REAL TRUST; but because TRUST is so crucial to our sense of comfort we have to in essence BLINDLY THROW OUT TRUST upon him (or her) and hope we are not disappointed.

So that is how to trust him...just do it...make a leap of faith and hold on to your new found hope.

 

[nnuut]

Great analysis Steady, but I really just don't trust him, trust me on this one!!:laugh:

 

[CountryBoy]

Sorry Steady,

But obama hasn't done anything, that I my morals, principle and ethics would allow me to give my trust. I haven't agreed with what lgislation he has supported and his close friends leave a lot to be desired, at least by the standards I was raised by. He just hasn't done anything to earn my trust and as for blind faith, only one person will I give my blind faith to... well 2, gotta include my wife or she'd skin me alive. :nuts:

Have a good weekend,
CB

 

[Steadygain]

Sorry Steady,

But obama hasn't done anything, that I my morals, principle and ethics would allow me to give my trust. I haven't agreed with what lgislation he has supported and his close friends leave a lot to be desired, at least by the standards I was raised by. He just hasn't done anything to earn my trust and as for blind faith, only one person will I give my blind faith to... well 2, gotta include my wife or she'd skin me alive. :nuts:

Have a good weekend,
CB

CB,
Please don't say 'Sorry Steady' - I was merely reflecting on one simple question; "How can we trust" ??

So I am not telling anyone to put their trust in Obama - or anyone else - I am simply saying how it would be possible to do it.

My thinking is all of us largely put our TRUST in false hopes with essentially any politician. When it comes time to vote GO WITH YOUR HEART - no matter who you pick it makes no difference to me.

 

[budnipper1]

I really don't care the reasons or the logic for supporting Biden. I planely like and trust Palin more than I do Biden and I think her and McCain are going to make life miserable for the CROOKS in DC! How can trust Obama?:suspicious:

Me too, nnuut...my feelings exactly. Fresh, non-insider meat is needed in Washington and Palin fits the bill. I hope she starts a trend in replacing a bunch more of the good-ol'-boys there. Obama is just another John Kerry or Ted Kennedy nightmare waiting to happpen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0

 

[ChemEng]

Did everyone catch the part where she wants to continue Cheney's insanity in thinking that the VP isn't part of the executive branch?