TSP board to limit interfund transfers

Re: TSP board limits frequent fund transfers

Three Issues here as I see it.

This is another trash the middle-class movement. When the national trend is to totally eliminate pensions, force people into mandatory 401k savings, and with talk about eliminating Social Security looming, the government is simultaneously tying the hands of those effected, the middle-class, to manage their monies.

Who said Bush wasn’t talented? Bush added 3 new positions to manage the TSP at the beginning of his Presidency – they have successfully done his bidding.

Perhaps Lou Dobbs can help us.

I'm not sure it's all Bush. Look at what's happening with Citibank (Robert Rubin & Company), and all the subprime billionssss writedowns. I'm guessing it's Wall Street doing a COUP D'ETAT on our TSP funds. They want our money locked in so we can't go against their trades. C'mon we only have FIVE funds to choose fund. I'm guessing this WILL be the new model for ALL 401Ks. Remember PALM, anyone??
 
Re: Compare to other retirement plans

I did some research on the Calpers retirement plan to see what their policy was on interfund transfers. It's similar to what we have now. Once a day by a deadline. The limit is once a day. They don't seem to have any problems with it. I also noticed that they offer the option of SMA (self managed account) where you can use a contract brokerage and manage your own account. I think that's the direction that TSP needs to go. Why don't we have any utility funds or natural resource funds? I say fire the whole board and start from scratch, it would be an improvement.


I second the motion for a CALPERS plan! Self directed with individual stocks may be the best way to go. Heck, my TSP is big enough to create my own mutual fund!
 
Is it OK to be a TSP board member and a partisan politician (democratic, GOP, independent, whatever). Seems like federal employees get dismissed for that quite regularly.

I hope the letter is suitable for framing.

Lets find out who that spokesperson was. I have observed fake news interviews and they carry the same softball tone of voice. The latest being the infamous FEMA interview on how well thing went in the California wildfires. "Do you think FEMA did a good job?"

Where can we contribute to a class action suit?


I wonder if we can file some type of SEC complaint or ? This sounds like the type of scam that Elliot Spitzer used to go after when he was NY State attorney general. Do you think that "3000 Letter" will be sufficient to gain a share of the eventual lawsuit settlement, in say about 2017? I'm guessing it might be worth about $50K.
 
Re: TSP board limits frequent fund transfers

Tell me this doesn't put the big squeeze on active members of this website - the related paysites here will not be happy with some serious changes to be afoot.

That's a good point. What will happen with the paysites on here if this does go through??
 
Pay sites will be harmed. Another reason to JUST SAY NO.

A "substantial amount of small businesses will be adversly affected". Everybody should say that when they have an open comment period in the federal register. And EVERYBODY should submit a letter for comment.

Be prepared- start writing down your thoughts now for submittal when the open comment period comes.
 
They don't have a program set up to charge fees, that would take a year. So the only option is no change at this time.

Charging fees would actually see annuals cost go down for people how move funds rarely or never.
Cost now: 4 mils a year,
Cost with fees: 3.2mils a year plus some fraction of a mil per trade, if the I fund cost more to trade the millage would be different.

So far 2/3 say fees or no change
 
Shouldn't we throw up a bone in an effort to maybe get unlimited transfers by voting for unlimited transfers with fees? Show we are willing to compromise, not that it will do any good.


Throw a bone? Now's not the time for that. What have they thrown at my largest asset? A spear. I'm guessing their attack will cost me $50,000 over the next ten years. Do you usually throw car salemen bones too? (BTW- A bone is what a dog gets for behaving)
 
Pay sites will be harmed. Another reason to JUST SAY NO.

A "substantial amount of small businesses will be adversly affected". Everybody should say that when they have an open comment period in the federal register. And EVERYBODY should submit a letter for comment.

Be prepared- start writing down your thoughts now for submittal when the open comment period comes.


Frankly, I'm not concerned with the pay sites' earnings. I'm concerned about my TSP earnings. Is this message board and www.tsptalk.com dependent on the pay sites?
 
Throw a bone? Now's not the time for that. What have they thrown at my largest asset? A spear. I'm guessing their attack will cost me $50,000 over the next ten years. Do you usually throw car salemen bones too? (BTW- A bone is what a dog gets for behaving)

I'm just suggesting we show good faith so that when they slam the door in our faces and we get the error message that says, "can not perform transfer, two monthly transfers allotment exceeded" we can say...well, we tried. I'll likely keep paying ebb until then.
 
Telephone and FAX numbers for the main office of the Thrift Investment Board:

Tel: 202-942-1630
FAX: 202-942-1676

I highly suggest we light up the switchboard starting on Friday, and fill up the fax machine.

JUST SAY NO!

This is just a suggestion but is there some way to consolidate the things that people can do in one main area, maybe on the tsptalk home page instead of having to sift through this thread? I think maybe people who have not been reading this reading would find it easier to act if it was all in one prominant place with instructions clearly laid out step by step.

Just my 2 cents.:)
 
http://www.governmentexecutive.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=31836&ref=rellink
TSP hires chief investment officer

By Karen Rutzick krutzick@govexec.com July 22, 2005 The board of the 401(k)-style Thrift Savings Plan announced Thursday that it has hired Tracey Ray as its chief investment officer.
Ray, who will assume her role in mid-August, serves currently as the deputy chief investment officer for the Maryland State Retirement Agency. In that job, she has been responsible for more than $10 billion in assets, according to the TSP.
Prior to joining the Maryland agency, Ray worked in private sector investments for 20 years. She was an account executive at Merrill Lynch financial services and a vice president of United States Fidelity and Guaranty, a Baltimore company, TSP officials said.



Went from a $20B state fund to our $240B fund, what a waste of oxygen. She must be getting paid $150k a year by now, I guess our TSP is just chump change to her. If they can't get better products out, then this position should be eliminated as a cost saving step. Analyze that.
 
This is just a suggestion but is there some way to consolidate the things that people can do in one main area, maybe on the tsptalk home page instead of having to sift through this thread? I think maybe people who have not been reading this reading would find it easier to act if it was all in one prominant place with instructions clearly laid out step by step.

Just my 2 cents.:)

Thanks Oreo for the suggestion.

I've created a new thread over in the "Questions/Suggestions" message boards, for a place to consolidate all the contact information about how YOU can fight back. I'll go and start clipping a few of these, and move it there now.

If you have other contacts and places to make your feelings known, please feel free to post them in that thread.

Thanks
Jim
 
James,

Do you think maybe Tom could create a link to the info on the Homepage under HELP, Market & TSP News, TSP & Market Links, or one of the other headings where it would be prominent and easy for anyone to find it instead of having to figure out where it is in the forums? I'm thinking about retirees too, many still have money in TSP and take advantage of the daily transfers. Which reminds me...if the Board keeps this up, they're removing all incentive for retirees to leave their money in. It's going to be get out while the getting's good...as soon as you can.


I'll clip this message and e-mail it over to Tom, and see what he thinks. He's been pretty busy lately, and I don't know if he will see this message soon. I'll clip it and PM him on it. Maybe he can include in also in his e-mail messages. He says we have 15,000 on the email alert list now. If this attack on our ability to move our own money doesn't rate an alert to all subscribers, I don't know what does.

Thanks for the idea.
 
Right now the 3,000 of "us" are no more than fleas catapulting themselves from the sidewalk against the granite facade of the sears tower.

I may wait to file suit for "material damages" along with "false and misleading statements" used to support changes directed for the financial benefit of non TSP participant entities who have excercised undue and illegitimate influence on the TSP board.

I have outperformed the funds' return every year that I have actively traded my account.

I am sitting on 12.5% gains YTD, having been OUT of the market more than in.

I vowed NEVER AGAIN to allow the maket action of 2000-2003 to decimate my retirement due to a buy and hold strategy.

With a law suit brings the opportunity for DISCOVERY, which would otherwise be impossible.

They are F'ING with MY future! Let's see the what these maggots have really been saying to each other, and why.

You bring up a good point. As I recall, I saw some monkey business going on with the Fair Value amounts in October and recently. Can anyone who is very familiar with the FV history go back and look at October and November FV amounts, and identify days when the FV was not the amount that made sense for what the markets actually did on those days?

We need to identify, up front, the exact days in question, because I think that is going to be very useful information in the future as this plays out.

Thanks in advance for any research help anyone can give.
 
Thanks Oreo for the suggestion.

I've created a new thread over in the "Questions/Suggestions" message boards, for a place to consolidate all the contact information about how YOU can fight back. I'll go and start clipping a few of these, and move it there now.

If you have other contacts and places to make your feelings known, please feel free to post them in that thread.

Thanks
Jim

James,

Thank you very much for putting this together.

I also have another question. When using the sample letter to one's congressman and senators, should we email the letter or send the letter certified or should we do both? I'm thinking we should do both but maybe that recommendation should also be included in the instructions for consistency.

Oreo
 
I am sitting on 12.5% gains YTD, having been OUT of the market more than in.

I vowed NEVER AGAIN to allow the maket action of 2000-2003 to decimate my retirement due to a buy and hold strategy.

With a law suit brings the opportunity for DISCOVERY, which would otherwise be impossible.
I'm 10% ahead of the nearest fund and I've only been actively trading since summer after decades on sit and wait.

They said I could trade anytime, the law says I can trade, congress told them to let us IFT freely. When they deny me the opportunity they need to get sued. I've never sued any one, who can lead the charge?

I think the board, senior staff and TSP are culpable and would be defendants.

Perhaps we can start with individuals who demonstrate willful misconduct.

The board overseeing the Thrift Savings Plan is taking aim at day traders by restricting the ability of plan participants to shift money between funds to only twice a month.
A board study released at its monthly meeting showed that about 3,000 of the 3.8 million TSP enrollees are frequently shifting billions of dollars from plan to plan, sometimes on a daily basis.
Board chairman Andrew Saul said the practice amounts to day trading. The board said the excessive transfers are hurting TSP by driving up transaction expenses from $2.2 million in 2004 to more than $15 million in 2006.
The board also will send letters to the 3,000 frequent traders in December telling them to cut back on their transfers. If they don’t, the board will take away their abilities to trade online, and they will have to physically mail in their transfers.
“Those 3,000 people will not be happy, and they will complain, some of them very loudly,” Executive Director Gregory Long said. “But the board’s job is to take care of all participants, and this is clearly in their best interests.”
The TSP will install the twice-monthly restrictions into its software by March or April. Frequent traders who ignore warnings and lose their online trading privileges will regain them when the restrictions are up and running.
All TSP investors will be notified about the restrictions in a letter that will be included in the annual statement, expected to be mailed in early February.
Chief Investment Officer Tracey Ray said the problem has grown in recent years and is getting worse. Investors traded nearly twice as much money during the first 10 months of 2007 as was traded in all of 2006, she said.
For example, Ray said on Oct. 19, about 2,000 participants moved $295 million into the I Fund’s international stocks. Those 2,000 participants then shifted their money out of the I Fund five days later. Most of the daily trading involves the I Fund, Ray said.
Ray said limiting transfers to twice a month should be more than enough, and is more flexible than most mutual fund groups allow. The board decided not to charge transfer fees, as some fund companies do, because some people may accidentally click the wrong button on the Web site and unintentionally shift money.
The board included one exception into the trading restrictions: Investors will be able to shift money into the lower-risk, lower-reward G Fund at any time. This is intended to give investors an option if they have already used their two monthly transfers and become frightened about market activity.
 
Three messages out to my elected official. Will do it again next Friday and then again until I hear something back. I was doing the Black Friday thing today, but plan to call TSP (Tyrants Sabotaging my Pension supplement) on Monday.
 
The TSP chairman is also the Chairman of Cache Inc. Personally I have never been in the local store and now certainly never will. If you frequent the store I suggest you quit shopping there and let the management know why you are taking your business elsewhere.
http://www.cache.com/cache/control/investor-relations

What a bunch of over priced crap, who has money to waste on crap like that? Cache probably wouldn't notice 3.8 million customers NOT shopping there. Heh heh.

Any one own stock in this company?

Any shares of this Company in any TSP funds? 
 
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I quick look at the Thrift Board shows absolute minimal activity in the way of Freedom of Information Act requests to this board.

http://www.frtib.gov/FOIA/foia-annual-report-2006.pdf

I can see now that we're going to have to FOIA the powerpoint slides, charts, and all hand out material presented at both the October and November Board meetings, as well as copies of the list of the names and addresses of the 3,000 people they are going to send letters to, so that we can begin our process of preparing for a class action.

Can you say FOIA?

What else would someone want in a FOIA request as the first round?

By the way- we need about 100 people to make similar FOIA requests- so perhaps we should also ask for the list of all people who have made or make FOIA requests also within the time period of answering OUR FOIA request, so that we can coordinate the class action suit legal teams.
 
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