Treason?

James48843

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Interesting watching the votes today on Tom's question of the day.


I say it's interesting because "treason" is a very narrowly defined term.

Tom asked in today's pol question:


Do you consider leaking or publishing classified intelligence documents an act of treason?

Yes
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(83%)
No
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(7%)
Not sure
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(10%)

And it looks like about 83% of folks taking the poll agree.

Which tells me we need to do a much better job of teaching about the U.S. Constitution.


The Constituion is the only document here which counts- because treason is the ONLY crime which is specified in the Constitution with a specific definition:

The Constitution tells is:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."


Yes, it is illegal to disclose classified information. But much of what classified information is disclosed from time to time doesn't meet the strict definition of treason in the U.S. Constitution. Unless the classified information is levying an act of war, or giving aid and comfort to the enemy, it may be illegal, but it isn't treason.

For example, up until last April, the formula for how we made INVISIBLE INK during World War I was a "CLASSIFIED SECRET" .

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/19/cia-world-war-one-documents-declassified_n_851281.html

Yes, it would be illegal to have disclosed that secret prior to the declassification. But it wasn't "treason" when the secret was disclosed long, long ago.



Interesting.
 
Yes interesting that anyone would be ignorant to the fact that leaking classified information is giving aid to the enemy... just saying...
 
Who is the enemy?

When you loosen the meaning of a word, you open up new avenues for abuse. Treason is very specific and punishable by death. Should whistle blowers be prosecuted under the cover of "Treason".

Who will speak up for you when you are accused of treason for providing information that someone in power does not want known? Just saying...
 
Who is the enemy?

When you loosen the meaning of a word, you open up new avenues for abuse. Treason is very specific and punishable by death. Should whistle blowers be prosecuted under the cover of "Treason".

Who will speak up for you when you are accused of treason for providing information that someone in power does not want known? Just saying...

Ok, seriously, move conspiracy theories to "those" websites. Classified information is classified for a very specific reason and there are only certain PEOPLE who are classification originators.

Don't mix up sensitive, political information with CLASSIFIED information... Very different animals, period.
 
Ok, seriously, move conspiracy theories to "those" websites. Classified information is classified for a very specific reason and there are only certain PEOPLE who are classification originators.

Don't mix up sensitive, political information with CLASSIFIED information... Very different animals, period.

(U) I am intimately familiar with the process and purpose of classified information.

(U) I am also intimately familiar that there are people who put HIGHER classifications on some documents, and portions of documents, that have absolutely nothing to do with helping or aiding an enemy. (Good question- who exactly is "the enemy" these days?)

(U) And it is no secret that we have a LOT more stuff classified (TS) (S) and (C) than what actually needs to be (TS)(S) or (C).

Just sayin' - Yes, it's a crime to reveal (TS), (S) or (C) to folks who are not cleared, or have no need to know.

Discussions sometimes happen disclosing information that would be illegal to disclose, but the reason and the result is exactly in the interest of national security, not treason. See http://blogs.reuters.com/great-deba...ing-classified-information-is-perfectly-fine/ for an example- KH-11.

Is it wrong to disclose classified info to the not-cleared/and/or those who do not have a need to know? Yes.

But at the same time, I would argue, that it's not, in every case, "treason" under the Constitution's narrowly defined strict definition.


See the (U) U.S. Constitution.
 
I suppose it depends who is committing the CRIME, let one of us get caught letting out the same information and see what happens.
 
Do you think that releasing (outdated) top secret, secret or classified information is done on purpose to follow the path it takes and may reveal something about those we are watching? The more our politicians scream and the papers write about the more important it appears to the ones that want to harm us. Is it really a treasonous act? Think about it?
 
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