The Stock Markets Are Drowning In Quicksand

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The major stock indexes have been steadily declining since September 14, 2012 when the S&P 500 Index traded as high as $1474.51. This morning, the S&P 500 Index is trading around the 1374.00 area. This is now a 100.0 point decline since the most recent stock market high. It seems that the major stock indexes are coming under selling pressure every day. Almost every intra-day bounce is being met with sellers by the closing bell. Is this recent decline telling us that the Federal Reserve and the European Central bank is running out of bullets to inflate the stock market?

Many market leading stocks such as Apple Inc (NASDAQ:AAPL), Bidu Inc (NYSE:BIDU), Exxon Mobil Corp (NYSE:XOM), Amazon.com Inc (NASDAQ:AMZN) , and others have all faced broad based selling pressure recently. When leading stocks decline it is a definite sign of institutional distribution in the near term. A case can be made that the major stock indexes were only trading higher because of all the central bank intervention that was taking place throughout the summer. Once the institutional stock market investors realized that the central banks were actually doing all they could they began to sell stocks.

The elections were also another major event for the stock markets. Many investors are now unloading stocks ahead of the U.S. fiscal cliff. Investors are expecting the Bush tax cuts to expire by the end of the year. President Obama has been pretty clear that he will be raising taxes on people that earn over $250,000 a year. Unfortunately, it is the people that make over $250,000 that pay the bulk of the taxes in the United States already. If this income group stops spending it will cause a slowdown in the economy. This is something that the stock market could be forecasting. Remember, the stock market is usually six months ahead of the actual economy.

Gridlock is still expected to occur in Washington. The House of Representatives is still controlled by the Republicans, meanwhile, the Senate is controlled by Democrats. In the past, gridlock has been good for the stock market, however, this time around that may not be the case. After all, the U.S. national debt is now over $16 trillion. Approximately 42 million people in the United States are on some form of government assistance. Government spending only seems to grow and expand, meanwhile unemployment remains high at 7.9 percent according to the U.S. Labor Department. At some point, the politicians have to make some real decisions regarding spending, borrowing, wars, and entitlements. All of these factors must be on the table if the economy is going to ever truly recover. Until that time, the stock markets will be drowning in quicksand regardless of how much money the central banks print.

Nick Santiago

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Tax the Rich!!

In my humble opinion, there is no "unfortunately" for the $250k/yr earners. They control 98% of Americas wealth. I would love to see those people contribute to their share of the taxes. People forget that a 36% tax on a 250,000, still leaves them $160,000!!! If that really slows their spending, it will only slow their selfish, lavish, overpriced spending. The consumer staples such as food, clothing, and others will not suffer and that has been proven several times. The rich will continue to be rich. :mad:
 
Re: Tax the Rich!!

In my humble opinion, there is no "unfortunately" for the $250k/yr earners. They control 98% of Americas wealth. I would love to see those people contribute to their share of the taxes. People forget that a 36% tax on a 250,000, still leaves them $160,000!!! If that really slows their spending, it will only slow their selfish, lavish, overpriced spending. The consumer staples such as food, clothing, and others will not suffer and that has been proven several times. The rich will continue to be rich. :mad:
Let's be fair and everyone pay 36% that's fair because he makes much more money and pays much more every year in taxes. The poor folks like us would still have 64% of our measly salaries to live on. Equal treatment for all. If you want to be rich just work harder.
 
If everyone were taxed at a 36% rate, it would be a slam to the economy. To tax everyday Americans at that rate would surely cripple them. The amount spent on consumer staples, retail, etc would be slammed. I don't think a flat tax rate is the solution because it would be so minuscule. It would not hurt the rich/super rich to pay a higher tax bc they still have a huge amount of liquidity to LIVE on.

With great power comes great responsibility.
 
if the 1% are complaining about paying clinton era taxes, we should just go back to the eisenhower days when they were taxed 90% and see how they like it ;) hell, during those days the economy boomed and the middle class was stronger than ever, sounds good to me
 
comparing income taxes today to income taxes 50-60 years ago is apples vs oranges. There were tons more deductions, loopholes, and shelters back then and only the most clueless actually paid those rates. Its been a 20-30 year trend to do away with those. The more shelters, loopholes, and deductions are eliminated...the more the income tax rate will come down to be somewhat comparable.

Also, its the change in the rate that has much more effect on the economy than the actual rate. So a change in rates from 90% to 70% would have a positive effect on the economy whereas a change from 40% to 70% would have a negative. If the rates were raised to 90% does anyone think we'd match the economic numbers of the 1950s?
 
Re: Tax the Rich!!

In my humble opinion, there is no "unfortunately" for the $250k/yr earners. They control 98% of Americas wealth. I would love to see those people contribute to their share of the taxes. People forget that a 36% tax on a 250,000, still leaves them $160,000!!! If that really slows their spending, it will only slow their selfish, lavish, overpriced spending. The consumer staples such as food, clothing, and others will not suffer and that has been proven several times. The rich will continue to be rich. :mad:

I don't know if that is entirely fair either, so one person gets hit with $160,000 burden when there far too many who give negative $20,000 ? And to say that their spending is "selfish" thats an opinion and your demonizing a Hypothetical person. A person could employ 50 workers, do something for his/her community, but since they make more than 250k they are selfish? I don't know if it fair to hit some people who have their act together or just highly productive, and give %36 of that to (only some) people who dont care, lazy, or not capable. I know that many are in need but making a few foot the bill for many doesn't add up well. I heard a great saying at work yesterday "There is more people in the Wagon, than you have Pushing the Wagon." Better disability and unemployment programs would help save money, that could help make up some of the difference.
 
Re: Tax the Rich!!

In my humble opinion, there is no "unfortunately" for the $250k/yr earners. They control 98% of Americas wealth. I would love to see those people contribute to their share of the taxes. People forget that a 36% tax on a 250,000, still leaves them $160,000!!! If that really slows their spending, it will only slow their selfish, lavish, overpriced spending. The consumer staples such as food, clothing, and others will not suffer and that has been proven several times. The rich will continue to be rich. :mad:

We have a winner for the worst post of the day...
 
My problem is that the idea that people think government with citizen's money is the only way to make things fair....the amount is trivial. We need to decentralize the control/funding of the programs. Tax locally on needs and not give to the feds and wait for distribution.
 
The 1% are already being taxed quite a bit. Problem is loopholes and deductions etc... they end up not paying the percentage they should be. Close the loopholes, cut off some deductions. Boehner supports this view as a way to not raise taxes.

Then again, Warren Buffet strongly supports tax hikes for the rich and he's no idiot. Tax hikes on the rich are a deal breaker for the GOP. Obama seem intent on doing just that. I see troubled waters ahead.
 
We could confiscate everyone's wealth, and i mean EVERYONES wealth and it would fund the Gov. @one month.....we could do this only one time, because all our money has been confiscated and fairly redistributed
 
The 1% are already being taxed quite a bit. Problem is loopholes and deductions etc... they end up not paying the percentage they should be. Close the loopholes, cut off some deductions. Boehner supports this view as a way to not raise taxes.

Then again, Warren Buffet strongly supports tax hikes for the rich and he's no idiot. Tax hikes on the rich are a deal breaker for the GOP. Obama seem intent on doing just that. I see troubled waters ahead.
I know I wouldn't be able to survive without my deductions, and I'm not in the top 2%. I'd be willing to bet that those making more that $250K need those deductions to survive as well. Warren Buffet may support tax rate hikes, but I bet he worked out deductions that would reduce his tax liability further than it is now. He's no dummy!
 
If your loss of deductions are offset by a lower rate, then it should not make a difference for you. As long as the tax code is distorted by selective deductions, we are at the mercy of the social engineers who pick winners and losers. Simplification will increase efficiency, thus savings. A better answer is to ditch the current system, and change to a national sales tax, that way the underground economy participates as well (we are losing hundreds of billions of revenue each year to those who avoid taxation altogether). Keep the Income Tax Credit for the "poor" to keep it "progressive".
 
Re: Tax the Rich!!

In my humble opinion, there is no "unfortunately" for the $250k/yr earners. They control 98% of Americas wealth. I would love to see those people contribute to their share of the taxes. People forget that a 36% tax on a 250,000, still leaves them $160,000!!! If that really slows their spending, it will only slow their selfish, lavish, overpriced spending. The consumer staples such as food, clothing, and others will not suffer and that has been proven several times. The rich will continue to be rich. :mad:

This just in, it's not the fault of the rich that you don't have more money. If you want more, quit your taxpayer-funded government job and go take some risk by starting your own business. Go for it. If it works out, you're rich! If it doesn't, you have nothing, you're broke. That's the decision and risk that millions of people take every day.

To sit in your taxpayer-provided cubicle griping and moaning about people who are willing to take more risk than you are and therefore have more money in the bank than you do...is pathetic. And sophomoric. And a few other things I'd rather not say out loud.
 
LMFAO, I just saw your little "do you need god" signature. NO, I need more people in the world with common sense.
 
twodaystocks,

A little reminder if I may - you haven't been here long enough to earn the privilege to call anyone a xxxxxxx so lighten up is my kind advice.
 
NO NAME CALLING, Follow the rules or the thread will be locked and further action will be taken on the perpetrators.
Keep it objective and don't fight kids.:cool:
 
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