The Stimulus "Extras" (aka, the pork)

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Senate passes Obama's economic recovery plan

Just three Republicans helped pass the plan on a 61-37 vote and they're already signaling they'll play hardball to preserve more than $108 billion in spending cuts made last week in Senate dealmaking.

Those cuts are among the major differences between the $819 billion House version of Obama's plan and a Senate bill costing $838 billion. Obama has warned of a deepening economic crisis if Congress fails to act. He wants a bill completed by the weekend.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090210/ap_on_go_co/congress_stimulus

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/fir...e-approves-billion-economic-recovery-package/
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CountryBoy said:
Huh? This has to do with not giving treatment to old folks, because their usefulness has been used up. I'm against that.
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CB- I'm telling you that it's simply not true. That's not true. The bill doesn't have a clause it in that will wipe out care for old people. The conservative blogs are simply using that line to scare people in order to try and block passage of the bill.

Not giving care to old people cause their usefulness has been used up? I'm against that too. So is Obama.

Look at history- who provided care to old people in the first place? It ISN'T Republicans, who faught hard against giving old people medicare benefits. It was the dems, not the republicans, who passed and signed into law medical coverage for old people. LBJ, in the early 1960s.
 
James,

I don't quote blogs as a reputable source of information, unless I can verify if from another source, preferably something liberal, so Libs won't be turned off automatically, but if it's public record, that's even better. I do have a fondness for stock blogs though. :) and I always read the blogs here. I didn't realize Bloombergs is a blog. :confused:

They are currently doing the socialized triage medicial treatment in the UK now. I talk to several people in the UK, on a regular basis and they are living it now and the medical situation is getting worse as less people work and/or pay taxes. Over the years, resources have been depleted, and that includes doctors, so medical treatment is rationed. And getting medical ttreatment in your local area is a luxury. As resources dried up in the UK, they ended up moving to the metropolitan areas, so alot of folks have to travel 4 to 6 hours for treatment, that in a town as small as mine would only be a 30 drive at the max, to 2 or 3 hospitals that could supply major surgery or treatment. And when the Dems hold UK system up as the shining example, I know better, because I've gotten it first hand from those who had to go without treatment. Just something as common as a statin has been with held because the gov't regs said the patient didn't meet their criteria.

We've just been exposed to deifferent experience and people and have formed pretty solid opinions when it comes to this subject.

We'll just have to disagree on this and I didn't say wipe out, maybe triage would've been a better term and the Dems of the 60's sure to heck ain't the Dems of today. :laugh: So those comparisons don't wash. We could say it was the Reps that forced thru the Civil Rights bills, because the Dems were against that led by my old Senator Robert Byrd.

Socialized or nationalized medicine, just by the definition and implementation on it's own, will cause the distribution/dilution of health treatment, because we won't be able to afford to give everyone the same treatment, so it works out that we'll all receive less effective or reduced treatment. That will only reduce a person's desire to build a better life for his family. And if you only have one artificial knee, who gets it? In the UK the choice is the younger more productive person.

CB
 
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James48843 said:
CB- I'm telling you that it's simply not true. That's not true. The bill doesn't have a clause it in that will wipe out care for old people. The conservative blogs are simply using that line to scare people in order to try and block passage of the bill.

Not giving care to old people cause their usefulness has been used up? I'm against that too. So is Obama.

Look at history- who provided care to old people in the first place? It ISN'T Republicans, who faught hard against giving old people medicare benefits. It was the dems, not the republicans, who passed and signed into law medical coverage for old people. LBJ, in the early 1960s.
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James48843 said:
Let me guess CB- I bet you heard that scare tactic from Rush Limbaugh yesterday, didn't you?

Here is the truth:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200902100001

The plan works to establish a standardized electronic recordkeeping system- not to have federal control of what care your doctor is giving. That's simply false.

But don't let facts get in the way...
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That Obama has promoted, endorsed and publicly supported the idea of creating a nationalized health care program is a "fact".

Anytime the government has taken control of any program designed to "take care" of people who they think are unable to take care of themselves has always failed it's purpose because of the bureaucratic red tape and corruption involved in managing the program. That is also a "fact"! Just the description of the outline of the bill is overwhelmingly complex. Check out just one part of the intended plan related to "improving technology" related to health care with this link:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:5:./temp/~c111Tyl2Zr:e289137:

I challenge anybody that says they have taken the time to read and "understand" all this mumbo-jumbo!

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:5:./temp/~c1119ly8sB::
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James48843 said:
Let me guess CB- I bet you heard that scare tactic from Rush Limbaugh yesterday, didn't you?

Here is the truth:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200902100001

The plan works to establish a standardized electronic recordkeeping system- not to have federal control of what care your doctor is giving. That's simply false.

But don't let facts get in the way...
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I missed this one and I listen to music when I go home, so much of talk radio lib or con is pretty boring, it's always the same ol same ol.

And the fact comment, I'm not even going to dignify.

CB
 
James48843 said:
Let me guess CB- I bet you heard that scare tactic from Rush Limbaugh yesterday, didn't you?

Here is the truth:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200902100001

The plan works to establish a standardized electronic recordkeeping system- not to have federal control of what care your doctor is giving. That's simply false.

But don't let facts get in the way...
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I think it's comical that a source like media matters should be considered more truthful than information provided by Rush, or any other "conservative" thinker. This site is as biased as any other, only it leans hard-left instead of right. Not surprising either that it's based in Washington, D.C. :D

Look at their views on religion, gun-control, abortion, immigration, yada-yada...
http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/

Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda — every day, in real time.
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Well from one of the chattering class to one of the elitist class, we do care about pork in the stimulus package. Chuckme Schumer is a perfect example of the type of people running this country and trying to jam this welfare package past us. Man these people are really arrogant. :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEfICUoWKBw

These people are counting on us staying dumb and taking the bribe they are trying to buy us off with, with our own money. The pride of the Dem party.:laugh:

CB
 
CountryBoy said:
Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

"Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version). "

Later in the article

"But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

"Elderly Hardest Hit

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt. "

That sure brings back some historical significance. (My comment)

If you really are honest about knowing what this Infrastructure Stimulus Package :rolleyes: plans for your future health care, you'll want to read this, but then I'm sure there are many folks that believe that the old should just be left to die like in the '30's. (Again my comment)

CB
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Logan's Run was a highly entertaining movie, but I don't want it made into public policy! Especially since I'm over thirty!:nuts:
 
budnipper1 said:
I think it's comical that a source like media matters should be considered more truthful than information provided by Rush, or any other "conservative" thinker. This site is as biased as any other, only it leans hard-left instead of right. Not surprising either that it's based in Washington, D.C. :D

Look at their views on religion, gun-control, abortion, immigration, yada-yada...
http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/

Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda — every day, in real time.
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So, Budnipper-

Does that mean you just donated $50 to media matters? :cheesy:
 
Strip-Club Chief Is What Obama Could Afford With Bank-Pay Limit

By Tom Randall, Alex Nussbaum and Peter Robison

Feb. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Eric Langan could run a U.S. bank, based on his $494,713 salary last year, according to President Barack Obama. Langan would rather stay in his job, overseeing 18 strip clubs as chief executive officer of Rick’s Cabaret International Inc.

“A bank? No. I’m not interested in working for a bank,” Langan said in a telephone interview from his office in Houston. Besides, he just got a raise to $600,000, putting him $100,000 over Obama’s cap for a top official of a financial institution receiving federal bailout funds.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aEr44JakFZJA&refer=home

I just got a chucklle out of this, at least he won't have to look at the ugly mugs of our illustrious representatives. :nuts:

CB
 
CountryBoy said:
Strip-Club Chief Is What Obama Could Afford With Bank-Pay Limit

By Tom Randall, Alex Nussbaum and Peter Robison

Feb. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Eric Langan could run a U.S. bank, based on his $494,713 salary last year, according to President Barack Obama. Langan would rather stay in his job, overseeing 18 strip clubs as chief executive officer of Rick’s Cabaret International Inc.

“A bank? No. I’m not interested in working for a bank,” Langan said in a telephone interview from his office in Houston. Besides, he just got a raise to $600,000, putting him $100,000 over Obama’s cap for a top official of a financial institution receiving federal bailout funds.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aEr44JakFZJA&refer=home

I just got a chucklle out of this, at least he won't have to look at the ugly mugs of our illustrious representatives. :nuts: CB
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:laugh: At least there are still a few businesses out there that are thriving without
government bail-outs. It's good to see somebody happy with their job. :D
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budnipper1 said:
:laugh: At least there are still a few businesses out there that are thriving without
government bail-outs. It's good to see somebody happy with their job. :D
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Sounds like a good retirement job!:nuts: Forget about being a rehired annuitant!:D
 
CountryBoy said:
Well from one of the chattering class to one of the elitist class, we do care about pork in the stimulus package. Chuckme Schumer is a perfect example of the type of people running this country and trying to jam this welfare package past us. Man these people are really arrogant. :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEfICUoWKBw

These people are counting on us staying dumb and taking the bribe they are trying to buy us off with, with our own money. The pride of the Dem party.:laugh:

CB
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Well I for one care. :(

CB
 
Pelosi's mouse slated for $30M slice of cheese

"Talk about a pet project. A tiny mouse with the longtime backing of a political giant may soon reap the benefits of the economic-stimulus package.

Lawmakers and administration officials divulged Wednesday that the $789 billion economic stimulus bill being finalized behind closed doors in Congress includes $30 million for wetlands restoration that the Obama administration intends to spend in the San Francisco Bay Area to protect, among other things, the endangered salt marsh harvest mouse."

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/12/earmark-less-bill-gives-pelosis-mouse-cookie/

What is the definition of an earmark? At least this mouse is really getting some US Government cheese. :laugh:

CB
 
Top link is a recent article saying:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid predicted Friday that Congress will finish its work on a massive, $787 billion economic stimulus plan, possibly by day's end, giving President Barack Obama a big victory.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090213/ap_on_go_co/congress_stimulus

On the same page is a link to ABC's 3 minute interview with Dave Ramsey.
I'm not a fan, but Ramsey says there is not enough money in Washington to fix this mess and I agree. He also says freeing up more credit to people who couldn't afford to buy a house is what started this crap in the first place. Why do they think doing that again will help? Again, duh!

VIDEO:Dave Ramsey explains how the stimulus plan will affect you.

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=11990048&ch=4226720&src=news
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