Sick leave

[JOVARN]

typo k

 

[JOVARN]

use it now use it later they will use it

 

[Show-me]

http://federalnewsradio.com/index.php?nid=22&sid=1352927

 

[roskopfm]

Why not let it count on their service years towards retirement like the CSRS? If they can cash it in, CSRS should be able to cash in their unused Sick Leave also.:nuts:

yeah, lets see you guyes get twice the pension we get, what do we get in return a small 5% TSP, and a lower inflation increase in retirement. I would take your postion anytime. Let us FERS got something in return that CERS does, why are we always second class employees?

 

[Aggie76]

below copied from Government Executive:

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=40602&dcn=todaysnews

"House backs new FERS sick leave policyJuly 31, 2008
The House passed a measure Wednesday giving federal employees hired since 1984 the opportunity to get credit for unused sick leave in their pension calculations.
Currently, employees covered by the Federal Employees Retirement System (generally those hired in 1984 or later) do not earn no credit toward retirement for unused sick leave. Those under the older Civil Service Retirement System do receive such credit.
The difference has led to a situation in which, according to Congressional Research Service reports issued last year and in 2004, FERS employees use substantially more sick leave than those in CSRS as they approach retirement.
The measure that passed the House was included in a larger bill (H.R. 1108) called the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.
Federal employees' and managers' organizations have long backed the sick leave measure.
"This is a very welcome and important step toward correcting some of the disparity in treatment of employees who often work side-by-side," said Colleen Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union.
Federal employees in both FERS and CSRS receive 13 days of sick leave annually and may carry over unlimited amounts of leave from year to year. It's only in retirement that the differences between the two systems come to light."

 

[Show-me]

Still get the full amount for sick leave taken. They are low balling us.

 

[pogo]

I think you have to have 250hrs of sick leave before you get your money for your sick leave(when you retire) and then you only get around 25% of the pay. not to sure on the %. i never look into it but the rumor is, it better to buy ins. to cover your sick pay,my thoughts are you're only on this earth once, use your sick leave i am a fers with 5yrs to go

 

[luv2read]

I have 20 years in and 18 hrs sick leave due to an extended illness and caring for relatives. Use it when you get closer to retirement, when you leave, you lose it. I doubt if any new sick leave legislation is going to pass for at least 4 years, it costs too much and the government is broke. It looks for ways to suck us dry, not give us more. Accumulate the annual, at least you get a lump sum for it or the newest thing, "terminal leave". More agencies are going with that to keep experienced people on as long as they can.

 

[Guest2]

http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=173654&postcount=960

I BELIEVE YOU'LL FIND THE LOWER PORTION OF THIS TOBACCO BILL
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. "UNUSED SICK LEAVE BENEFITS FOR FER
RETIRIES

 

[luv2read]

SB,

Do you have a link to the bill? TIA.

 

[Guest2]

SB,

Do you have a link to the bill? TIA.

yES,,,GO TO MY THREAD

 

[James48843]

For a copy of the bill, go to http://www.thomas.gov, then search for

H.R.1108

Here is what is says:

H.R.1108

Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)
SEC. 407. CREDIT FOR UNUSED SICK LEAVE.

• (a) In General- Section 8415 of title 5, United States Code, is amended--

• • (1) by redesignating the second subsection (k) and subsection (l) as subsections (l) and (m), respectively; and

• • (2) in subsection (l) (as so redesignated by paragraph (1))--

• • • (A) by striking `(l) In computing' and inserting `(l)(1) In computing'; and

• • • (B) by adding at the end the following:

• `(2) Except as provided in paragraph (1), in computing an annuity under this subchapter, the total service of an employee who retires on an immediate annuity or who dies leaving a survivor or survivors entitled to annuity includes--

• • `(A) for an employee who retires within 3 years after the date of enactment of this paragraph, 3/4 of the days, and

• • `(B) for an employee who retires after 3 years after the date of enactment of this paragraph, the days

• of unused sick leave to his credit under a formal leave system, except that these days will not be counted in determining average pay or annuity eligibility under this subchapter. For purposes of this subsection, in the case of any such employee who is excepted from subchapter I of chapter 63 under section 6301(2)(x)-(xiii), the days of unused sick leave to his credit include any unused sick leave standing to his credit when he was excepted from such subchapter.'.

• (b) Exception From Deposit Requirement- Section 8422(d)(2) of title 5, United States Code, is amended by striking `section 8415(k)' and inserting `paragraph (1) or (2) of section 8415(l)'.

• (c) Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall apply with respect to annuities computed based on separations occurring on or after the date of the enactment of this Act.

Passed the House of Representatives July 30, 2008.
Attest:
Clerk.
110th CONGRESS 2d Session H. R. 1108
AN ACT
To protect the public health by providing the Food and Drug Administration with certain authority to regulate tobacco products.

 

[luv2read]

Check squalebear's thread today...we discussed it most of this morning.

 

[Show-me]

Federal workforce reforms dropped from Senate Defense authorization bill


An amendment containing several federal workforce reforms was withdrawn on Thursday from the Senate's version of the fiscal 2010 Defense authorization bill.
Sponsored by Sen. Daniel Akaka, D-Hawaii, the amendment would have allowed employees in the Federal Employee Retirement System to credit unused sick leave toward their retirement, and moved civilian employees outside of the continental United States into the locality pay system, among other things.
Akaka withdrew his own amendment after Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., filibustered it. "This is a good amendment," Akaka said. "I will fight for these provisions in conference, but I do not want to hold up the Defense authorization bill." The House version of the fiscal 2010 Defense authorization bill includes most of the provisions in Akaka's amendment.


Akaka's amendment also included provisions that would have: allowed FERS workers to redeposit retirement funds collected after leaving government upon returning for a second round of service and ensure both stints are credited to their overall retirement; and modified how the Civil Service Retirement System calculates annuity payments for employees who retire as part-time workers.
Coburn claimed that the amendment to the Defense authorization bill would have been an "intolerable" increase of benefits to public employees at a time when the federal budget deficit is ballooning and many Americans are unemployed.
"What we're doing is patently unfair to the rest of the American workforce in this country," Coburn said. "We're going to be here all night. Until this amendment is withdrawn, I will stay here."
Coburn said that the amendment would cost $3.2 billion from 2010 to 2019, based on scores from the Congressional Budget Office. Also citing CBO numbers, Akaka claimed that it would be a net gain for the government in the long term.
This is the second time that the Senate has killed the federal workforce reform provisions. They also were part of the tobacco bill which Congress passed earlier this summer, but were ultimately stripped out of the package because of an objection from Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C.

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0709/072309p1.htm

 

[KevinD]

I'm not feeling well...

 

[Show-me]

What we really need to do is eliminate the higher multiple that the politician get for FERS! How nice they voted themselves the higher multiple but not the rest of the workforce.

Wonder how much that would save the taxpayers!

 

[nnuut]

Here is the whole deal for Congress as of Oct. 2008, they pay more and get more:
http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs-publish.cfm?pid='0E,*PLC8"@

Required Contributions To Retirement Programs
CSRS. Regular federal employees covered by CSRS contribute 7.0% of pay
to the Civil Service Retirement System. Their employing agencies contribute a
further 7.0% of payroll to the CSRS on behalf of these workers. Members of
Congress who are covered by CSRS are required to contribute 8.0% of salary to the
plan, and the Congress of the United States makes an employer contribution of 8.0%
of payroll on their behalf.
CSRS Offset. Members of Congress covered by the CSRS Offset plan
contribute 1.8% of pay up to the Social Security taxable wage base ($102,000 in 2008
and $106,800 in 2009), and 8.0% of pay above this amount, to the Civil Service
Retirement System. They also contribute 6.2% of pay up to the Social Security
taxable wage base to the Social Security trust fund.
FERS. Regular federal employees contribute 0.8% of pay to the Federal
Employees’ Retirement System and their employing agencies contribute an amount
equal to 11% of pay.8 Members of Congress and congressional staff pay 1.3% of
salary for FERS coverage, and the Congress pays approximately 16% of payroll for
congressional employees and 17% of pay for Members who are enrolled in FERS.
Members and employees enrolled in FERS also contribute 6.2% of pay

 

[Elgallo]

Here is the comment Senator Coburn made when threatening to filibuster during the congressional session. Why is he allowed to threaten Civil Servants and does he not have a federal pension, or is he not subject to losing his as well?

"By the way, if you are a federal employee and unhappy with me trying to defeat this amendment, you should pay attention to something. There is no guarantee to your federal pension based on the economics we face today in this country. If you think it is guaranteed, you have another thought coming because the world economic system is going to determine whether we can honor that pension. That is what is coming. We are very close," Coburn said.

 

[nnuut]

Wrong answer Coburn! OK folks let's shut it down, all of it!!:nuts:

 

[Pschiffdicpal]

Here is the comment Senator Coburn made when threatening to filibuster during the congressional session. Why is he allowed to threaten Civil Servants and does he not have a federal pension, or is he not subject to losing his as well?

"By the way, if you are a federal employee and unhappy with me trying to defeat this amendment, you should pay attention to something. There is no guarantee to your federal pension based on the economics we face today in this country. If you think it is guaranteed, you have another thought coming because the world economic system is going to determine whether we can honor that pension. That is what is coming. We are very close," Coburn said.

Just read the some of the 10 pages of senator Coburn rambling jaw ass crap, 3.2 Billion of which most is returned due to FERS participants not using sick leave. This is nothing but GRANDSTANDING by a politician who has always lacked intelligence. It also nice to know that they are EYEING ARE BILLIONS in retirement accounts for their depraved purposes.:worried: