Sick leave

Sky Pilot this issue is a no brainer for the union and it would be unlikely that there would be an agenda for not wanting to process.

At this VA this issue is a major problem as we work compressed work tours and the rule states that SL abuse can be linked with days off.

I am presently processing a case now where the employee was on SL restriction and she complied with the SL Restrictions rules and provided a MD note when she was out, AND YET management and HR want to continue with her SL restrictions status.

It is what it is and the rules are clear for SL and Abuse the union is not going to suffer bad press over this issue. There are always two sides to every story.
 
JOVARN, while it should be a no-brainer, the situation Boxholder described indicates that there is likely a problem as described.

Therefore, the individual must be vigilent to advocate for themselves. If the local cannot or will not perform (for any variety of reasons i.e., personality conflicts, competing interest, obligated to management in other ways for other reasons) then the member is obliged to seek a hearing from a higher level.

This is actually quite common, for a variety of reasons. Sometimes the local is intimidated or otherwise compromised by the management and is impaired in it's ability to represent in an effective manner the employee. This of course is often management's goal. And managers will do whatever they feel that they can get away with.

I have been on all three sides (personal, union member and management) of this equation, and have seen this issue played out many times in both the government and private sector. Ultimately, this is why there are Labor Boards, Labor Lawyers and even the EEOC. As far as "it is what it is", these issues can be aggressively pursued in LMR sessions, and can be referred to mediation if neccessary. The Master Agreement for any agency is a living document that must be contested and defended, as well as the local supplement.

As far as "the Union" suffering bad press is largely secondary or irrelevent to the well being and advocacy of the bargaining unit member. In this case, as Boxholder describes it, it has already failed the "no brainer" test IMO...

No Brainer? Hardly... :)
 
The local postmaster at my wife's office felt like one of his employees was taking unfair advantage of sick leave, so now he has a policy that any employee that uses sick leave must have documentation for that day before coming back to work. That has made it rough on those employees like my wife who rarely use sick leave. There are lot's of times when an employee may get a cold and doesn't feel well enough to go to work, but also doesn't feel bad enough to go to the doctor, having to sit in a doctors office for hours without an appointment. The local rural carrier union says that the postmaster has the right to enforce that policy if he chooses to. Just doesn't seem right!
sounds like local contract sucks==pittsburgh area you get three days without doctor note and if management ask for one you say sure they pay for gas and doctor bill
 
We get three days as well... and most times management will not ask after that unless there seems to be a problem emerging.

Ultimately, there is not really much management can do here, as there is so much "past practice", as well as active and agressive union representation, who holds management accountable in nearly every circumstance. This then is helpful to mid-level managers as well, because executive staff is loath to impose such draconian measures after they have had to allow sick leave in such a manner to line staff. :p
 
There has been discussion about this. But I doubt anything will be discussed seriously until a majority of CSRS folk have retired in the next 3-5 years.

Our retirement guru says he doubts that the Fed will cash us out now, as so many agencies are adopting a more generous attitude towards leave. As a result, there will be fewer retirees with ample balances, thus less pressure to compensate.

I think OPM would rather let people have the time off than pay them for it...
 
Is there any move in Congress to change SL for credit like CSRS?


It was the subject of an OPM report last year, where they recommended changes be made. However, it has not yet risen to the attention of lawmakers to actually do anything about it. The gist of it is that statistically, those who are FERS with less than 5 years to retirement burn sick leave at a much higher rate than CSRS with less than 5 till retirement. OPM recommended it be addressed, but so far, no joy.
 
Who are these @#&^%$%^s? :nuts: And nobody likes the union!!:confused:
 
Wow.

Im not going to complain much about my office policies anymore. I was told it was ok to take sick leave off for the following day if I was sick the previous night. I kind of figured that kind of leniency was the norm.
 
This is a true story (and the best ones always start..."this is a true story". )


In the FAA, MGT decided that from now on, they were going to reduce sick leave usage by employees. You see, a Congressman noted in a hearing that FAA employees use sick leave at a rate higher than other federal employees (No kidding- I wonder why THAT is...)

Anyway, it USED to be anyone with a doctor's appointment would take the day off with sick leave.

Now, it has become a "business plan item" to reduce the amount of sick leave taken. One of the "pay for performance" items.

Now, the managers are saying that if you only have ONE doctor's appointment, you can only get up to four hours off with sick leave. Anything more than that, and you have to take half a day of annual, and half a day of sick leave.

In one office, the manager has decided that you only get sick leave for the ACTUAL TIME you are sitting in the doctor's office. Doctor's appointment at 10:30? You get to take from 10:30 till 11:30 for sick leave for the doctor's appointment, and all the rest of the day must be annual if you are not working.

I love our employer!
They'd rather pay you the 40% I guess. Suits me fine. Nice retirement bonus.
 
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Guess being a low paid DOD employee isn't all that bad, some real horror stories here.
Over 24 years of service, and don't think S/L balance has ever been over 100 hours. In short, hired in Jan 3rd, 1984. Could have signed in before, but no one had the mind to help out about the CSRS/FERS change over in personnel. Was a few years later I learned what that pain in my butt was.

Been a single parent since the boy was 3, had to take off every time he got a jew jew bead stuck in his nose. Single parent=lots of sick leave.

I race motorcycles off road. Since 1983 I've had 11 surgeries anywhere from 100 stitches to close up small lacerations, torn shoulders and knees, tendon reattachment, hernia, compound fractures and a couple of small amputations (no, not that!).

I've came into work in splints, wraps, cast, crutches, wheelchairs, and even once with my ulna sticking an inch out of my arm because it was too swollen to do surgery on. I have spinal stonosis, a couple of compressed disk, arthritis, sciatica, and severe tinitas. Recently half my left hand went almost completely numb, been that way since early May now.

I spend a lot of time modeling at work, keyboard, cranking handles and turning wrenches. Management wants me to document what I do so they can make a decision if it’s work related. Guess my work leaves a good impression, but only when it bails their arse out of an impossible situation, or puts project funds into the DPA.

Surprisingly, it's the tinitas that is the worst, drives me near insanity at times, at least I need my space, especially at work. I live for vicodine, but rum and an inversion table have to do the job most of the time, after hours of course, and never driving. I know that most will say it's my own doing, but am proud of pulling through this far in a vicinity that only has a small medical clinic, where cutting of any kind must be performed a hundred miles away, with a healthy percentage of the cost coming out of pocket as available FEHB in this area is extremely poor, and few medical professionals being actual providers.

Yes, I could just get a desk job, but where is the fun in that. I've given a huge portion of my career to the government, worked through both great and terrible managers. I fix coffee pots, free gyros, CCD's, can make you a tail hook for your Jump Jet, exploit assets, properly document the work, manage moderate sized projects and personnel, design prescription optics and get to blow crap up. I even make parts for the branch heads Harley, under duress of course. I am however opinionated against stupidity (racing aside), and a pain in the ass. I'm not narrowly scoped, so to speak. Wouldn’t make a good FAA or DC employee. I don't fit into any one category, over paid according to management (GS 11/12, actually DEMO project DT-3).

I am sure to burn every hour of use or loose sick leave OPM puts into my account. I've never been tied to the "3 day rule", sometimes get around to calling in, sometimes not. I'm lucky in that respect in that I manage most of my own time and work load with the golden “lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part” rule. Be it annual or sick leave, it does however always go on my time card, something that can't be said for most of the local managers, I'm quite sure.

I don't see any big change coming here before retirement. My current manager just got his DP-4 (GS-14?), and has become increasing more anal about my disposition as it reflects on him I guess. All I can say is, they will be glad to be rid of me I'm sure, make room for the hundreds of GS-5's and 8’s their hiring in right out of 4 to 6 year tenures of college, promising them the world if they stay. I look at them and think, was I ever that gullible. When they look at me, I have no idea what they wonder. Two-thirds speak little or broken English, so likely we wouldn’t understand each other anyway.

But this is about sick leave use and abuse. Some of the crap I've had to do is similar to a mine hunt with a piece of rebar. I'm crazy enough to try some stuff, and get this, it's because I don't want anyone else to get hurt. Honestly. I seriously doubt that the facility director, sitting in his office not 50 feet away would walk out the door if the laboratory roof blew off because some dimwit range employee brought too much explosive into the building. Wow, I was about to get too personal here. But what the heck, are they going to fire me? Don't get me wrong, I love the work I do, but not all the sheep are running in the same direction here, some get a better price for their wool than others, and some, well, you know what else sheep are good for, and there are lots of wolves upstairs.

Abuse sick leave? Never, can't do it. It's a benefit for as long as you live, or if you’re lucky enough to reach retirement.

Been off since September 7th on vacation. Two weeks comp time, two weeks annual leave. Girl friend from Holland stayed the whole time. We spent two weeks in the Sierras, one week on the beach, and the other around the house. I’m now officially engaged after 20 years of being single. I guess that might make me a little bias here having to report back to duty after such a time. I haven't even looked at the 20 emails forwarded to my account the entire time. Life this month has been good, and it's going to get a whole lot better in about 5 years.

Retirement is going to be awesome!
 
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I'm FERS and look at S/L as cheap long term care insurance. I'll usually take A/L instead of S/L. Because I'm FERS, I expect to change that behavior as I get closer to retirement. I expect that as more FERS folks begin getting closer to retirement it will become more obvious that the government should make changes to keep people from burning a lot of S/L the last couple years of work. I expect this will be a BIG problem for the government since it isn't uncommon to have 2000 plus hours by retirement. It really would not cost the government as much to let FERS employees put S/L toward retirement time in service since the annuity is 1/3 of civil service retirement. I'd expect them to make that switch in the next 5-10 years but not till it is really becomming a problem.

The funny thing is that if you take the time as sick leave, you get paid full time equivalent plus you get the time towards time in service. Yes, you will need to do some documentation but government employees get the best training in the world on how to work the system. Job stress is fairly easy to document and hassling me about S/L will add to the stress level. It is just a matter of finding the right shrink. Might take months of time on the beach to fully recover from the stress....
 
Couldn't agree more Surfer. The writing is on the wall. This is going to be an enormous problem for the Gov't when the FERS employees begin to get closer to retirement. Some Oldtimers in my agency have retired a year early by cashing in sick time. Another guy retired a few months ago with military years and managed to use up ALL of his sick leave. I'm strongly against using up all sick leave because it's just not right. But then again it's also not right to reward the righteous in the end.
 
My Dad retired from the Treasury Dept w/3000+ hours of sick leave. After making the calculations for the added 1.7% per year he would have to live for another 60 years past retirement to collect the worth of the total amount.
He gave me the advice to get about 1040 or the equivalent to 6 months saved up. He figured if you ever do need to use more than the six months of sick leave you probably wont be back. And remember the whole time you are using your leave you are still accruing LS and LA.
 
I'm FERS and look at S/L as cheap long term care insurance. I'll usually take A/L instead of S/L. Because I'm FERS, I expect to change that behavior as I get closer to retirement. I expect that as more FERS folks begin getting closer to retirement it will become more obvious that the government should make changes to keep people from burning a lot of S/L the last couple years of work. I expect this will be a BIG problem for the government since it isn't uncommon to have 2000 plus hours by retirement. It really would not cost the government as much to let FERS employees put S/L toward retirement time in service since the annuity is 1/3 of civil service retirement. I'd expect them to make that switch in the next 5-10 years but not till it is really becomming a problem.

The funny thing is that if you take the time as sick leave, you get paid full time equivalent plus you get the time towards time in service. Yes, you will need to do some documentation but government employees get the best training in the world on how to work the system. Job stress is fairly easy to document and hassling me about S/L will add to the stress level. It is just a matter of finding the right shrink. Might take months of time on the beach to fully recover from the stress....

Very well said. Thank you!
 
Couldn't agree more Surfer. The writing is on the wall. This is going to be an enormous problem for the Gov't when the FERS employees begin to get closer to retirement. Some Oldtimers in my agency have retired a year early by cashing in sick time. Another guy retired a few months ago with military years and managed to use up ALL of his sick leave. I'm strongly against using up all sick leave because it's just not right. But then again it's also not right to reward the righteous in the end.

I'll leave an hour on the books out of respect for your feelings :D.
 
Here is the 2004 study done by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) that shows that FERS employees use considerably more sick leave going into retirement eligible years than CSRS, and offering recommendations to make changes to the program.

http://www.opencrs.cdt.org/rpts/RL32596_20040922.pdf

Unfortunately, Congress didn't do anything about it.

I understand OPM is now working on another, similar report, that is due out sometime in 2008.

All you FERS employees who are close to being retirement eligible, please feel free to burn that up to make the numbers show why they should pay us for sick leave balances, ok?
 
Here is the 2004 study done by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) that shows that FERS employees use considerably more sick leave going into retirement eligible years than CSRS, and offering recommendations to make changes to the program.

http://www.opencrs.cdt.org/rpts/RL32596_20040922.pdf

Unfortunately, Congress didn't do anything about it.

I understand OPM is now working on another, similar report, that is due out sometime in 2008.

All you FERS employees who are close to being retirement eligible, please feel free to burn that up to make the numbers show why they should pay us for sick leave balances, ok?

I'll try my BEST!
 
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