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Anyone think we have a 10% flush today? We have a perfect storm. Failed bail out, failing financials, gov. scandals, Wall Street corruption, mass layoffs, no consumer spending, retailers starting to file bankruptcy protection, etc.

I think the crooks sucked everyone in perfectly, hell I was getting worried that it would break above the 50dma. The more I thought about it, I remembered that the 20, 50, and 200 dma are all heading down so no bottom yet.

Why go long with the moving averages still in such a decline? All this is is a long over due bear market rally, IMO.
 
Got some limit orders in for DXO and FAZ, 2.80 and 49.00. Looking to low ball a intra day pull back into the prior candlestick.
 
Anyone think we have a 10% flush today? We have a perfect storm. Failed bail out, failing financials, gov. scandals, Wall Street corruption, mass layoffs, no consumer spending, retailers starting to file bankruptcy protection, etc.

Actually, based on my extensive years of inexperience, :p I believe if we don't crash and burn, then the exact opposite will happen. With all the bad news out, if we hold the line, than perhaps on Monday this will instill a false sense of confidence.
 
I got out for the month. Made a up some last month and this month I actually made a couple percent, so I am through for the year. I don't understand why the market is reacting the way it is, so if I don't understand it I figure I shouldn't have my retirement exposed to it. I left 1% in C and my contributions are still going in C. Hope you all have a great month. I am back on the lilly pad.
 
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We did not get the flush I hoped for, but I still feel it is coming. The news is bleak at best, layoffs are accelerating and so are bankruptcies for retailers. Banks continue to default and go under, up to number 25 this year.

Sales are going to be very, very, weak this year and that will sink many more retailers. And, will cause more layoffs. We have a ton of folks on the unemployment benefits, plus the usual welfare folks. Food assistance offices are being overwhelmed with applicants. Charities are seeing major drops in donations.

Manufacturing sent OS, service sector contracting, etc.

I just want to know what industry is going to pull us out of this mess?

I still believe that this economic boom we have had the last 10 years is a result of a redistribution of taxpayer wealth. Government contracts, spending, and massive expansion of government fueled GDP and now the well is dry. It all has to be paid for.

All that and the massive leveraging of everything. Credit card were used to fill in cash flow problems from consumers and now they are maxed out or credit lines are being closed so that those funds can be used to patch up balance sheets.

I don't think consumer lending will be back for a long time.

Chart Slave

Looking a the charts, all major indices have reached the 50 dma and that is classic for a bear market rally run.

The 200, 50, and 20 dma are all still declining and I am of the opinion that at this level in the market it is much more risky to go long than short but we need to have a STOP set.

The financial sector is also right against the 50 dma also, XLF, UYG, FAS. I have a file set up to show me about 10 individual companies and they have about all went to the 50 dma and started to feel the resistance.

Conclusion

Right now I own a small position of BGZ and FAZ. I'm a bit nervous owning short positions while so many of the folk I respect are buying longs, but I have alway marched to my own drum. We could pierce the 50 dma going into the Santa season and the inauguration, but I would not bet the farm this is the end of testing the bottom.

Wait for the next jobs numbers and retail numbers. PPI and CPI are in our favor but are not a factor at this point, IMO. Oil prices are down, but the oil masters are going to cut production because they do want $75 a barrel oil. They know they can get it and that we will pay it.

As long as the 200 dma is declining the short play is my play. Once we see the 50 dma turn up I will go neutral in my short trading. If we retest the lows I will use my TSP to buy some of that.

While the real estate sector is improving, I think that is just a lull in the decline as the frugal folk take advantage of the cheap prices, lenders are scrambling to adjust mortgage agreements, and the Fed. is buying up bad paper thought their new money laundering facility called AIG. What is better, to pay for the Swap insurance sold to 100 investors or to just bite the bullet and buy the worthless property. That is all they are doing.
 
How about something positive: the Dow is now 100 points above the 200 month simple moving average - 8528.23 to 8629.68. And as Sy would say: "The market always looks ahead and begins its next bull market while a recession is still underway and worsening, while (you) public investors are at an extreme pessimism." Maurice says: "Because no technical violations have yet transpired, I think the three white candlestick pattern, that lead this open revolt against the bears will continue to go on conquering, liberating price action to advance in what I call the renegade rally." Can you smell it? The inverse head and shoulders pattern measures 1708 points with an objective target of Dow 10,358.
 
LOL, I'm smelling something all right you old bull.:sick:;) The 200 "month" simple moving average? Wow, that is a stretch.:nuts:
 
http://www.safehaven.com/article-12081.htm

My Primary View: In short, I feel deflation began with the 2007 stock market peak. I believe the stock markets will make a new low maybe two coming in the weeks and months ahead (early 2009), and that low will serve as a bottom for a while and the markets and later the economy will begin a multi-month rally into 2010.

It's at this point when this anticipated rally ends (markets peaks) that I believe the stock market will provide a significant confirmation we are in deflation. I'm looking for the stock market to make a lower high (no where near the 2007 peak) on the monthly charts. Lower lows and lower highs are a classic sign of bear market conditions, and I believe on a monthly chart, that condition will confirm deflation. After that peak forms, we will begin a deflationary spiral into 2012-14 (I'm leaning towards 2014). If that does happen, the technical analysis would suggests significantly low prices in the major stock indexes.

In essence, the problem is there will not be enough government assistance and future economic activity to pull us out of the deflationary problems we have today, and everything the government does will only partially re-inflate the economy and the stock markets. It will serve as a band aid, and essentially draw out this deflationary period.

When the markets and economy elevate, it will falsely convince most that we have put the damage behind us and that once again our government has come to the rescue like prior recessions. And if this were a mere recession, it would most likely work again. You might even hear pundits comment on how the risk of deflation is dead.

Unfortunately, this is deflation, and when we start the deflationary spiral from those lower highs in the stock markets, the economy will soon follow and the problems we have today will be larger and more significant the next time around. Real estate will take another big hit and include all types of real estate more widely, the stock markets will take another big hit, business failures will mount, unemployment will dwarf anything we see in 2009, and state and local government budget short falls will be far more significant.

AND, when this deflationary spiral begins, there will be potentially two new problems not baked into the pie. The first and obvious one is higher taxes. Our tax rates are essentially at the low end of the historical range. If we could not raise taxes in good times to pay for our over spending, we will mostly likely have to raise them in bad times when tax receipts at the local, state and federal level decline sharply. Higher tax rates are not factored into stock or real estate values yet, so when it becomes apparent taxes are going up, it will adversely affect those asset values.
 
The inverse head and shoulders pattern measures 1708 points with an objective target of Dow 10,358.
I'm not sure what time frame you are looking at with the inverse H&S pattern, but unfortunately they are not bullish formations in a bear market. In bull markets, yes. Not in a bear.
 
I'm not sure what time frame you are looking at with the inverse H&S pattern, but unfortunately they are not bullish formations in a bear market. In bull markets, yes. Not in a bear.



He's calling the November lows the start of the new Bull I think.
 
Show-me,your post #3254 read like the warning predictions posted at the opening of a Bear cave leading to Middle Earth. Added Safe-Haven to favs. Fascinating, many thanks. Forwarding that to family and friends.:cool:
 
jon,

My pleasure, I just can not get my head around all of the money being printed and the fact the dollar has not tanked big time. I know other countries are printing like crazy but we, the US, have been borrowing paper from others like crazy.
 
The Week Ahead

Last Update: 11-Dec-08 15:32 ET

Earnings reports from several notable companies, economic data, the FOMC policy announcement and the OPEC meeting will be the main areas of focus in the coming week.

The FOMC makes its interest rate announcement Tuesday while OPEC, which is expected to announce a sizable cut in output, meets Wednesday.

Economists expect the target fed funds rate to be cut 50 basis points to 0.50%. The cut itself will likely have a limited impact on the market -- the effective fed funds rate has traded below the 1% target since mid-October. However, the wording in the directive will have market-moving influence.

Only 53 companies are confirmed to report results on the Earnings Calendar, although several names have the potential to move the market. Two standouts in their respective industries -- Best Buy (BBY) and Goldman Sachs (GS) -- will be in focus.

Other widely held companies set to report include Nike (NKE), FedEx (FDX) and Research In Motion (RIMM).

Seven reports are on the Economic Calendar, including building permits and housing starts and CPI.
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Monday, December 15:
  • Earnings: ABM Industries (ABM), Smith & Wesson (SWHC)
  • Economic Data: NY Empire State Index (Dec.)... Net Foreign Purchases (Oct.)... Capacity Utilization and Industrial Production (Nov.)
  • Events: Honeywell (HON) fourth quarter 2009 guidance conference call
  • Conferences: Thomson Reuters Aerospace and Defense Summit (Day 1 of 3)
  • Fed Speakers: None
Tuesday, December 16:
  • Earnings: Best Buy (BBY), FactSet (FDS), Goldman Sachs (GS), Adobe Systems (ADBE)
  • Economic Data: Building Permits and Housing Starts (Nov.), CPI (Nov.)
  • Events: FOMC Policy Statement... General Electric (GE) Annual Outlook Meeting
  • Conferences: Thomson Reuters Aerospace and Defense Summit (Day 2 of 3)
  • Fed Speakers: None
Wednesday, December 17:
  • Earnings: ConAgra (CAG), General Mills (GIS), Morgan Stanley (MS), Nike (NKE), Take-Two Interactive (TTWO)
  • Economic Data: None
  • Events: OPEC Meeting... Weekly Crude Inventories (week ended Dec. 13)
  • Conferences: Thomson Reuters Aerospace and Defense Summit (Day 3 of 3)
  • Fed Speakers: None
Thursday, December 18:
  • Earnings: Discover Financial (DFS), FedEx (FDX), Lennar (LEN), Rite Aid (RAD), Accenture (ACN), Darden Restaurants (DRI), Research In Motion (RIMM)
  • Economic Data: Leading Indicators (Nov.)... Philadelphia Fed (Dec.)
  • Events: Coca-Cola Enterprises (CCE) fiscal year 2009 guidance call... Wells Fargo (WFC) economists provide 2009 outlook
  • Conferences: None
  • Fed Speakers: Dallas Fed President Fisher speaks on economic conditions 1:30 PM ET
Friday, December 19:
  • Earnings: CarMax (KMX), Cintas (CTAS), Jabil Circuit (JBL)
  • Economic Data: None
  • Events: Quarterly options expiration
  • Conferences: None
  • Fed Speakers: None
http://www.briefing.com/GeneralCont...vestor&ArticleId=NS20081211153330LookingAhead
 
More banks reveal Madoff exposure

Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:08am EST

By Douwe Miedema and Sachi Izumi
LONDON/TOKYO (Reuters) - Royal Bank of Scotland, Man Group and Nomura on Monday joined a growing list of financial groups acknowledging exposure to the alleged $50 billion fraud surrounding Wall Street trader Bernard Madoff.
A report in the Financial Times said HSBC Holdings Plc had emerged as one of the largest victims, with potential exposure of about $1 billion. HSBC could not immediately be reached for comment.
RBS said its potential loss could amount to some 400 million pounds ($595 million), if it assumed that the value of its assets in market-making firm Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC were nil. Man Group estimated its exposure at $360 million.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSLD12500520081215
 
Sorry for the silly question but have seen alot of "lily pad" talk....is this the G fund? If so, do you go 100% during your sits on the pad?
 
Lily pad is the g fund as labeled by Birchtree and yes I go 100% lily pad. I use to dollar cost average in and out of the funds, but with the new restrictions it is too hard to do.
 
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