Seat 19A

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Metro Plane Event Was Terror Attempt

POSTED: Friday, December 25, 2009
UPDATED: 9:30 pm EST December 25, 2009


ROMULUS, Mich. -- U.S. officials say a Northwest Airlines passenger from Nigeria said he was acting on behalf of al-Qaida when he tried to blow up a flight Friday as it landed in Detroit.

Law enforcement officials are now identifying the Nigerian man who's suspected of trying to blow up a Northwest Airlines plane as Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab.

One of the U.S. intelligence officials said the explosive device was a mix of powder and liquid. It failed when the passenger tried to detonate it.

NBC News reported two people noticed the man attempting to ignite a substance and a third person jumped up and subdued him.There was nothing out of the ordinary until the flight was on final approach to Detroit, said Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Elizabeth Isham Cory. That is when the pilot declared an emergency and landed without incident shortly thereafter, Cory said in an e-mail message. The plane landed at 11:51 a.m. EST.

NBC reports the man told investigators he wanted to set off a bomb over the United States and the incident is being handled as a possible terrorism attack by both law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

Officials said the man is being treated at the burn unit of the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor.Delta Air Lines identified the flight as Northwest 253. It was carrying 278 passengers.Passenger Syed Jafri, a U.S. citizen who had flown from the United Arab Emirates, said the incident occurred during the plane's descent. Jafri said he was seated three rows behind the passenger and said he saw a glow, and noticed a smoke smell. Then, he said, "a young man behind me jumped on him.""Next thing you know, there was a lot of panic," he said.

Rich Griffith, a passenger from Pontiac, said he was seated too far in the back to see what had happened. But he said he didn't mind being detained on the plane for several hours. "It's frustrating if you don't want to keep your country safe," he said. "We can't have what's going on everywhere else happening here."

On Friday evening, the Department of Homeland Security released the following statement: "Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has been briefed on the incident aboard Northwest Airlines flight #253 and is closely monitoring the situation. Passengers may notice additional screening measures put into place to ensure the safety of the traveling public on domestic and international flights. As always we encourage the traveling public to be observant and aware of their surroundings and report any suspicious behavior or activity to law enforcement officials. We encourage those with future travel plans to stay in touch with their airline."

The White House issued a statement saying President Obama was informed about the incident as he vacationed in Hawaii. The President spoke with his Homeland Security and Counter-terrorism advisors. The statement said the President "instructed that all appropriate measures be taken to increase security for air travel. The President is actively monitoring the situation and is receiving regular updates."
 
(Well, this should make you feel better. The press release from TSA tonight: )

Department of Homeland Security Statement on Northwest Incident

December 25, 2009
5:30 p.m. EST
WASHINGTON D.C. – Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has been briefed on the incident aboard Northwest Airlines flight #253 and is closely monitoring the situation.

Passengers may notice additional screening measures put into place to ensure the safety of the traveling public on domestic and international flights.

As always we encourage the traveling public to be observant and aware of their surroundings and report any suspicious behavior or activity to law enforcement officials.

We encourage those with future travel plans to stay in touch with their airline and to visit www.tsa.gov for updates.
# # #

Source: http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/northwest_statement.shtm
 
He's lucky there were no good ole boys from Oklahoma on board...I promise ya, Besides a little ankle burn, he would be taking his meals intravenously.:mad:

Its a good thing the good ole boys were not aboard. If they were, they would be punished for applying hurt to the one in seat 19A. The current administration would not put up with this kind of action.
 
He’s in custody. Good.
He’s Nigerian.
He’s 23.
He claims to be working with al Qaeda.
He was on a “U.S. government watch list of people with suspected terrorist ties” — but not a no-fly list.
He traveled from Lagos to Amsterdam to Detroit. He was traveling one way — no return ticket.
He’s being treated for burns in Detroit, thanks to the aforementioned failed attempt. Well, better him than anyone else (though there were a few passengers injured, not seriously). Certainly better than if he had been successful.
His fellow passengers thwarted his attempt. Per MSNBC.com: “Two people noticed the attempted attack, and a third person jumped on the man and subdued him, an airline official told NBC News.”
 
Its a good thing the good ole boys were not aboard. If they were, they would be punished for applying hurt to the one in seat 19A. The current administration would not put up with this kind of action.
Yeah..We Okies wouldn't worry about those trivial things..the fact the SOB would never walk or eat normally again would far out justify the consequences of what the liberal punishment would be they could face...but try finding a jury that would convict them..they would be national heroes to most God fearing decent Americans;)
 
Actually, I'd say it was an Airline Security success story. Security works so well now, that people have to try and put together their own explosives in flight. And now you see how successful they are. Poof, and that's about it.

Chalk one up for the good guys- the bad guy only set his own pants on fire, and burned his own testicles. That's it.

Pretty successful airline security, if you ask me.
 
Pretty successful airline security, if you ask me.

I hope you're joking ..:suspicious:

The fact that he was able to bring whatever pyrotechnic on board and then ignite it was not a demonstration of Successful Airline Security...It was PURE LUCK that the thing he had didn't explode as planned...Nigeria is not known for the strictest passenger screening...It was eventless because of the alert passengers that subdued him and rendered him inert until the plane landed.
 
People tend to forget the success stories. I can remember as clear as day of the Bojinka plot in Manila about 14 years ago, a pre-cursor to 9/11. Funded by bin Laden's brother in law who died in a bizarre incident in 2007.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Jamal_Khalifa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oplan_Bojinka


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Airlines_Flight_434

One death resulted. The mastermind, Ramzi Yousef was arrested in Pakistan, tried and convicted in the US. It was some very good piloting, also the 747 is a pretty rugged plane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzi_Yousef

He was convicted in 1997 and is now in the Supermax prison in Colorado. Oh, and he was convicted in New York, after being captured in Islamabad and extradited to the US.


Actually, I'd say it was an Airline Security success story. Security works so well now, that people have to try and put together their own explosives in flight. And now you see how successful they are. Poof, and that's about it.

Chalk one up for the good guys- the bad guy only set his own pants on fire, and burned his own testicles. That's it.

Pretty successful airline security, if you ask me.
 
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Phil you are a very intelligent guy and I appreciate your input, but you never input your agreement with a post, you always disagree. Why not play both sides of the fence?:confused:
 
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I hope you're joking ..:suspicious:

The fact that he was able to bring whatever pyrotechnic on board and then ignite it was not a demonstration of Successful Airline Security...It was PURE LUCK that the thing he had didn't explode as planned...Nigeria is not known for the strictest passenger screening...It was eventless because of the alert passengers that subdued him and rendered him inert until the plane landed.

What if he tried to set it off in the restroom? The alarm would go off but

He was sited in 19A which is a window seat. Was anyone sited in 19B, or 19C?

Happy new year everyone.
 
I never input my agreement with a post. I don't understand. What I'm saying is that there was nothing particularly unusual about what happened. It happened over 14 years ago. I'm not disagreeing with anyone, I'm just trying to inform.

Here's the info on the 9/11 commission report which bears some scrutiny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Commission_on_Terrorist_Attacks_Upon_the_United_States

Note: only a few of the 41 recommendations from the commission have been initiated. This was a bipartisan commission with both politicians and administration people who have been working in the field for many many years. It's THERE. It's all there.

The commission was criticized for significant alleged conflicts of interest on the part of commissioners and staff.Further, the commission's report has been the subject of much criticism by both the commissioners themselves and by others.
The commission members were appointed by George W. Bush as well as Congress, which led to the criticism that it was not a commission truly independent from the U.S. government whose actions it was supposed to review. The commission stated in its report that "[their] aim has not been to assign individual blame," a judgment which some critics believed would obscure the facts of the matter in a nod to consensus politics.
In addition, commissioners believed that key agencies of the U.S. government, including The Pentagon, the FAA and NORAD were deliberately deceiving them, and that the CIA was deliberately impeding the work of the commission.On the whole, the chairmen of the commission believed the commission was set up to fail.

John Farmer, senior counsel to the Commission stated that the Commission "discovered that...what government and military officials had told Congress, the Commission, the media, and the public about who knew what when — was almost entirely, and inexplicably, untrue." Farmer continues: "At some level of the government, at some point in time … there was a decision not to tell the truth about what happened...The (NORAD) tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public."Thomas Kean, the head of the 9/11 Commission, concurred: "We to this day don’t know why NORAD told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth."

Phil you are a very intelligent guy and I appreciate your input, but you never input your agreement with a post, you always disagree. Why not play both sides of the fence?:confused:
 
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Phil you are a very intelligent guy and I appreciate your impute, but you never input your agreement with a post, you always disagree. Why not play both sides of the fence?:confused:


I apologize for my statement you really were wrongly accused, I was wrong and admit it, I need to read the entire post before jumping to conclusions.:embarrest:
 
Not a problem. Sometimes I am critical, but not in this case. Sometimes an incident is just an incident, and a cigar is just a cigar.
 
This maybe something like what the Nigerian was trying to set off..but a whole lot more than just a match head amount.


 
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