Roth TSP

I have been faxing the tsp once a month every month requesting the TSP board to add a ROTH to the TSP. I'm hoping others will do the same and they will get the info to the TSP board. Its about time we get the ROTH. Now is the best time with the market down so low and could get our investments at such low prices and keep all the gains at retirement.
 
I have been faxing the tsp once a month every month requesting the TSP board to add a ROTH to the TSP. I'm hoping others will do the same and they will get the info to the TSP board. Its about time we get the ROTH. Now is the best time with the market down so low and could get our investments at such low prices and keep all the gains at retirement.

Thank you for your persistence. Keep it up!
 
On March 18, during the House Oversight & Government Reform Committee’s mark-up of H.R. 1256, two provisions strongly supported by NARFE were approved. The first item conforms the treatment of accumulated sick leave toward retirement under the Federal Employee Retirement System (FERS) to same calculation as under the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS). As quoted by Government Executive magazine’s web site, NARFE President, Margaret L. Baptiste, described the situation saying, “… with the benefit of 23 years of hindsight (since the inception of FERS), we recognize that the inequity in the treatment of accrued sick leave between FERS and CSRS has hurt productivity and increased agency costs.

For that reason, we strongly support the concept that all federal civilian retirement programs credit unused sick leave toward retirement.”

The second item, adopted with strong NARFE support, would make improvements to the Thrift Savings Plan: 1) automatic enrollment of new hires and an immediate matching contribution for FERS employees and 2) institution of a “Roth” option for TSP investors. As in many 401(k) plans already, a “Roth” option allows participants to make after-tax contributions to the plan and withdraw the principal and earnings tax-free upon retirement. (More details are provided on NARFE’s web site under Public Relations at http://www.narfe.org/departments/publicrelations/articles.cfm?ID=1744 and in Government Executive’s article at
 
the question is how long will it take the TSp to add it. They do things very very slow. Hopefully it will be up and running before the end of the year if we are lucky, but I doubt it.
 
Thanks for the updates. Something to keep an eye on. My guess is that it may pass soon, but will probably not be implemented until next year or even the year after. I think there was something in the text of one of the the previous bills referring to 2010. I don't know that much about legislation, but I'm hopeful about this.
 
The Million Dollar question is how long after Obama signs the bill will it take the TSP board to give us the option. I cant wait. If they open up the TSP to other fund choices and give us the ROTH, I will transfer all my outside Roth to the TSP and save a lot on costs. COME ON TSP BOARD, GET YOUR SOFTWARE UPDATED!!!!!!
 
The Million Dollar question is how long after Obama signs the bill will it take the TSP board to give us the option. I cant wait. If they open up the TSP to other fund choices and give us the ROTH, I will transfer all my outside Roth to the TSP and save a lot on costs. COME ON TSP BOARD, GET YOUR SOFTWARE UPDATED!!!!!!

I was reading in one of the monthly minutes of the TSP Board that it would be, most likely, about six months after legislation got signed before they could have it up and running. There are a lot of tweaks that have to be done in order to do it- it's not as simple as simply starting a new account number and running with it.

We'll be waiting....

Now if the Senate will just cooperate, and move the bill.....
 
I'm going to be seriously interested in the mechanics of how it will work. For example, if you switch from G Fund to (R)oth Fund, do you have to pay taxes on the amount you put into R Fund? Will the R Fund only be open to certain situations, for example, current contributions as opposed to moving GFCSI funds into the Roth?

It will be interesting to see what the rules are on the Roth TSP if it passes.

Lady
 
The Million Dollar question is how long after Obama signs the bill will it take the TSP board to give us the option. I cant wait. If they open up the TSP to other fund choices and give us the ROTH, I will transfer all my outside Roth to the TSP and save a lot on costs. COME ON TSP BOARD, GET YOUR SOFTWARE UPDATED!!!!!!


I think it's highly unlikely that you will be able to transfer outside Roth to TSP. I assume you are talking about an IRA.

Also, it's improbable that you can convert current TSP holdings to Roth. It will probably be just future contributions that you have the option for.
 
Don't put all your eggs in one basket - why mess with them. They'll just change things again - I wouldn't risk the chance with a Roth, you can do so much better in other places and buy individual stocks as well as ETFs. You want stuff that pays income when invested with a Roth.
 
I'm going to be seriously interested in the mechanics of how it will work. For example, if you switch from G Fund to (R)oth Fund, do you have to pay taxes on the amount you put into R Fund? Will the R Fund only be open to certain situations, for example, current contributions as opposed to moving GFCSI funds into the Roth?

Lady


My wife has a 403B plan with the Roth Option. She can have her money put in a list of fund either Roth, or non roth. Both are the exact same funds with the same ticker and it would be the same as TSP.

Your money in the G, F, C, etc.. would be put in the same fund pool at the TSP board. Say you had 1000 shares of the C fund and started to invest all your new money in the C fund but as a Roth. All new shares would be coded as the Roth account. You still have that 1000 shares of tax deferred C fund shares and then you would have some others (new shares in the C fund valued in the Roth Account. They both would have the exact share price and have the same return. The only reason for seperating them is to determine which are tax free at withdrawal and which are not.
 
My wife has a 403B plan with the Roth Option. She can have her money put in a list of fund either Roth, or non roth. Both are the exact same funds with the same ticker and it would be the same as TSP.

Your money in the G, F, C, etc.. would be put in the same fund pool at the TSP board. Say you had 1000 shares of the C fund and started to invest all your new money in the C fund but as a Roth. All new shares would be coded as the Roth account. You still have that 1000 shares of tax deferred C fund shares and then you would have some others (new shares in the C fund valued in the Roth Account. They both would have the exact share price and have the same return. The only reason for seperating them is to determine which are tax free at withdrawal and which are not.
Thanks, roskopfm, for your contribution to the discussion. It's great to have information from someone who is already dealing with a similar situation. My (probably rhetorical) questions were generated because I'm already retired and am drawing a monthly income out of my TSP. So I'm not putting new contributions in. I was just musing about whether I could transfer funds from, say, C Fund to the new Roth and how I would pay the taxes if I could transfer funds. It will be interesting to find out. :)

Lady
 
If you are retired from the govt but still working somewhere else, you can take a one time withdrawal and transfer to an IRA, then convert some/all of it into a Roth.
 
from http://govexec.com today:

TSP board endorses Roth IRA option for enrollees
By Alex M. Parker aparker@govexec.com
April 20, 2009

The Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board on Monday officially endorsed a proposal to give Thrift Savings Plan participants the option to invest in a Roth Individual Retirement Account, but did not green light a move that would allow the TSP to create additional investment funds.

During its monthly meeting, the board also voted in favor of a provision that would allow the spouses of deceased federal employees to continue managing their funds in the TSP instead of requiring them to withdraw those funds 60 days after their spouse passed away and reinvesting them elsewhere.

The House passed legislation (H.R. 1256) on April 2 that contained provisions that would create a Roth IRA account option for TSP participants and a mutual fund window in the plan that would allow enrollees to invest in more than 13,000 mutual funds in addition to the plan's core offerings. Roth accounts -- which allow participants to invest after-tax into their retirement accounts so it can be withdrawn later without taxes -- now are offered by many retirement plans.

The Senate has yet to take up legislation on either issue, and neither chamber has introduced bills regarding spousal accounts.

Of the four board members present, two supported allowing mutual fund offerings to enrollees, while two opposed the idea.

Opponents claimed it would complicate the TSP needlessly, and allow politics into the process.

"This would totally, radically alter a plan that has been in place since 1986," said board member Alejandro Sanchez. In a survey of TSP members, only 10 percent said they would enroll in the mutual fund offering if it meant paying an estimated $100 fee, according to Sanchez.

The board said because only a percentage of the overall federal workforce likely would participate, those who did choose to use the mutual fund window should pay for its implementation. The $100 fee they asked respondents about was a hypothetical annual fee, but that figure could be lower.

Supporters of a mutual fund option said it would remove political pressure from the process. By allowing TSP members to choose mutual funds for themselves, there would be no need to lobby the investment board to include a particular fund in its core programs, argued Tom Trabucco, director of external affairs.

"I see it as the equivalent of a pressure-cooker release valve," said Pamela Jeanne Moran, deputy director of external affairs.

Board member Gordon Whiting said the plan did not go far enough, and TSP members should be allowed to invest in individual securities as well as mutual funds.

Executive Director Greg Long opposed broader investments because he said he did not want to encourage "intraday trading" for retirement programs.

As for the Roth IRA account option, Long predicted the plan would be a "game-changer" for younger government employees -- especially those in the military -- who pay little in taxes now. While the board passed the proposal, it faced questions from some members who balked at the prospect of providing advice to TSP members considering how to invest their retirement funds.

Trabucco said the Employee Thrift Advisory Council would discuss the issues on Wednesday, before Congress takes them up again.
 
Thanks for the link! I posted the comment below. I hope that the mistake was on the part of the author and not the TSP board.

The reference to "Roth IRA" is wrong and confusing. IRA is an Individual Retirement Account. We can already have a Roth IRA. This is a program to allow qualified roth contributions to TSP. People are already confused about their options. Please correct this rather than propagating the confusion.
 
You can have as many Roths as you like. You still have the same limits though. That's for all combined Roth accounts.
 
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