Personal Investment Peformance (PIP)?

Yeah, that Q16 does seem to imply that the contributions are included:
...and on the timing and amount of your purchases (e.g., contributions)...
I mean, what a wonderfully vague statement! What on earth does that mean? I'm afraid you're right. It does sound like the PIP includes all the money I threw in there, which was a lot.

Crap, I was thinking that I was in the middle of the pack of losers, instead of among the front-runners. Or lolly-gaggers, depending on how you look at it.

Thanks for pointing this out, she said sadly.
 
My understanding is that the TSP PIP includes your contributions. If your PIP shows 0% for the year and you put in 7% of your retirement fund amount, you have really lost 7% in the market (-7%).
This has driven me to distraction as well, so I track my performance in a spreadsheet on a monthly and yearly simple and contibution exclusion calculation.
The simple rate of return includes the contributions and is verified with the TSP PIP. The contribution exclusion calculation just subtracts the contributions out of the equation on a monthly basis (there will be a slight error due to the timing of when the contributions are included in the TSP amount and therefore contribute to the % increase/decrease. This is a very small error when the contribution is less that 10% of the total TSP fund. I also reset this error when I get my real money value every month from TSP.).
example equation for the yearly Simple rate of return :
{[(total $ on Jan 1,2009) - (total $ on Jan 1,2008)]/(total $ on Jan 1,2008)} * 100 = PIP
You can change this for any 12 month period which is what the PIP does (i.e., Aug 2008 to Aug 2009).

Excluding the contributions rate of return (yearly basis) :
{[((total $ on Jan 1,2009) - (total contributions for the year)) - (total $ on Jan 1,2008)]/(total $ on Jan 1,2008)} * 100 = true market performance

For 2007, my PIP was 7%, but I contributed 7% to my account that year, which means that my true market performance was 0%. Just to be clear, this is a simplified method that gets you very close to the real value that TSP calculates using their cash flow method. Since I track my fund amount on the 1st of every month by logging into the TSP account, I get a true indication from monthly and yearly changes only.

I hope this helps.
Malyla

I use a spreadsheet which includes the bi-weekly contributions and daily share prices to compute the actual dollars in my TSP account. I then link the dates and amounts to a second worksheet and create a formula to compute my return which is very similar to Malyla's above. It works fairly well and I compare to actual in my TSP account periodically to make sure it is accurate. Gives you a checks and balances system to make sure the TSP account is correct.

Current Version as of 01/06/09: http://www.tsptalk.com/utilities/Scouts_Spreadsheet.xls

In case the link doesn't work it is under the Utilities section on the front page of the TSPtalk site. Enjoy!:)
 
Your Personal Investment Performance (PIP) for the 12 months ending 10/31/2009 is 20.01%. (Your PIP is posted by the 3rd business day of each month.)
 
Your Personal Investment Performance (PIP) for the 12 months ending 11/30/2009 is 22.75%. (Your PIP is posted by the 3rd business day of each month.). I wish I could do better - I missed the entire March 9-Oct run.
 
Your Personal Investment Performance (PIP) for the 12 months ending 11/30/2009 is 25.74%. (Your PIP is posted by the 3rd business day of each month.)

Thank GOODNESS we're away from that Sept-Oct-- 2008 nightmare.
 
I can end the whole matching debate... I just started TSP in August of 2008, but by 11/30/2008 I had $800 in there. At the end of Nov 2009 I had $6000 and a PIP of 17% :)
 
Thank GOODNESS we're away from that Sept-Oct-- 2008 nightmare.
Agree. My numbers were embarrassing pre November 08. Now, it's a little more respectable...

Your Personal Investment Performance (PIP) for the 12 months ending 11/30/2009 is 23.58%.
 
Your Personal Investment Performance (PIP) for the 12 months ending 11/30/2009 is 22.75%. (Your PIP is posted by the 3rd business day of each month.). I wish I could do better - I missed the entire March 9-Oct run.

Your Personal Investment Performance (PIP) for the 12 months ending 11/30/2009 is 22.69%. (Your PIP is posted by the 3rd business day of each month.)

i wish i could do better too - was in for much of the entire march-oct run.
 
Buy and hold, sitting at 36% PIP.

I am happy with it and my buy and hold strategy.
 
#498 Today, 04:05 PM
mayday
Club TSP Join Date: May 2005
Location: Louisville, Kentucky, USA
Posts: 1,185


Re: Mayday's Account Talk

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Your Personal Investment Performance (PIP) for the 12 months ending 11/30/2009 is 68.51%. (Your PIP is posted by the 3rd business day of each month.)

To see the distribution of your account balance displayed as a pie chart, click here .

To see your account balance as of a different date, click here .

+ the 3.37% by the last day of December according to the tracker because I'm stuck in the G Fund.

Makes my total personal investment performance 71.88%
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#498 Today, 04:05 PM
mayday
Club TSP Join Date: May 2005
Location: Louisville, Kentucky, USA
Posts: 1,185


Re: Mayday's Account Talk

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Your Personal Investment Performance (PIP) for the 12 months ending 11/30/2009 is 68.51%. (Your PIP is posted by the 3rd business day of each month.)

To see the distribution of your account balance displayed as a pie chart, click here .

To see your account balance as of a different date, click here .

+ the 3.37% by the last day of December according to the tracker because I'm stuck in the G Fund.

Makes my total personal investment performance 71.88%
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BUY that man a beer.

No- wait.

He can buy US one.

Congrats.
 
68.51% this guy must have just started his career. I thought I was doing great with just 27%. Guess I have something to really learn here. Let me in on the secret. We can all make money.
 
68.51% this guy must have just started his career. I thought I was doing great with just 27%. Guess I have something to really learn here. Let me in on the secret. We can all make money.

Actually I just retired. Maybe I'm starting my new career.:D
 
Just wished I would have taken my own advice and bought Ford when it was $1.01 a share.

I did and it is sweet. Unfortunately I also jumped on GM (Bad Move).:suspicious:
Diversification has kept me from losing my mind:rolleyes:
 
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