Oil Slick Stuff

Buster's editorial:
I totally agree with drilling, and I'm not the least bit worried about a whale. Notice no rig leaked oil after Katrina? Oil rigs are a lot safer now and technology has advanced that this is not a concern.
Neither are the damn caribou. The caribou heard in Alaska, near the Alaskan pipeline have increased 25 percent. Some say it is due to the heat from the pipe line attracting them in the winter and then the males and females get it on more and make more little caribou. So the male caribou near ANWR should be looking forward to a nice heated pipeline.

What gets me, is we use more oil than any other country, and yet Bush, along with the blessings of our Demoncratic congress, are begging the Arabs to pump more oil, but we do not want to even drill for more in our country....WTF?

O'Rielly had a good idea. We have given 500 billion dollars to Iraq for new infrastructure and equipment to pump more oil. They are currently pumping more than when Sadamn was in the palace, and yet why don't they sell to us at a discount?//again, WTF? If it were not for Iran sucking in Iraq like a large vacuum then threatening the entire area, I would agree to pull out or get discounts on oil. (That is for another subject.)

As for petrol made spandex, I agree...Along with those tents being made with spandex, that it seems like every woman in the US wears it to just destroy the eyesight of all males in the US. Nothing more damaging to a male's eyesight then being in Kroger and having a woman come around the corner in spandex shorts, with sparks shooting out from between her thighs and she is taking the entire isle up with her butt.
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O'Rielly had a good idea. We have given 500 billion dollars to Iraq for new infrastructure and equipment to pump more oil. They are currently pumping more than when Sadamn was in the palace, and yet why don't they sell to us at a discount?//again, WTF?

First- some facts.

Iraq is NOT producing more oil now than when Saddam was in charge. Currently, they are producing on the order of 2.4 million barrels a day. Prior to the 1990 INvasion of Kuwait, Saddam's Iraq hit 3.5 million barrels per day. And in 2000 and 2001, it topped 3 million per day multiple times.

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They are just now approaching 2.5 million again, and aren't expected to top 3 million for some time.

Now, as for why they aren't selling at a discount- 1. they are an OPEC member country, and have agreed to the OPEC price standards. (see article above).

2. They don't have an oil law on the books yet, to split the money that does come in. That has been a major issue for years. http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Display...ocusoniraq_June88.xml&section=focusoniraq&col=




3. Members of their legislature has asked us to leave, and a majority of Iraqis don't want us there.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/04/iraq-parliament/

We've not done them any favors, if you ask a majority of their legislature. Their Prime Minister al Maleki and their legislature want U.S. contractors (can you say Blackwater?) subject to Iraqi court jurisdiction, and the U.N. authority for the U.S. to be in Iraq expires in July. If they don't come to agreement on a status of forces agreement of some kind, and if the U.N. doesn't authorize an extension, then Blackwater contractors and U.S. soldiers face prosecution in Iraqi Courts. http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080614/wl_mcclatchy/2966268


In short, there are more pressing issues than trying to get a discount on oil. Let's try and sort out whether or not we're even going to be there after July first.
 
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Refiner Insiders Buy Most Shares Since 2000 on Bet Crude Falls

By Michael Tsang and Eric Martin
June 23 (Bloomberg) -- Refinery executives are buying more of their own stock than at any time since 2000, prompting investors to bet that a retreat in oil will boost profits and reverse the biggest share decline in a decade.
Executives at 10 refining companies snapped up $2 million of their shares last month, twice what they sold, according to data from the Washington Service, which analyzes insider patterns for 500 institutional clients. That helped raise the average level of purchases to the highest in eight years, data from Argus Research Co. compiled by Leuthold Group show. Before March, insiders dumped more shares than they bought every week since 2003.
Insiders added to stakes following a 42 percent slide in oil and gas processors in Standard & Poor's indexes, the largest drop since at least 1995, after a 40 percent gain in crude pushed down profits. Caxton Associates LLC, Citadel Investment Group LLC and Renaissance Technologies Corp., which oversee $64 billion in hedge-fund assets, also boosted bets that the shares will rebound, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
``Anyone right now buying the refiners would have to be banking on a pullback in oil prices,'' said Jack Ablin, 48, who oversees $65 billion as chief investment officer at Harris Private Bank in Chicago, which owns shares of Valero Energy Corp. and Tesoro Corp., the largest and third-largest U.S. refiners by market value, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
Profits at U.S. refiners plunged 98 percent in the first quarter after they were unable to compensate for oil's rise with higher gasoline, heating oil and jet fuel prices, data compiled by Bloomberg showed.
Piling In
Buying by chief executive officers, directors and other senior officials exceeded sales by the greatest amount since December 2000, based on data compiled by Leuthold from New York- based Argus's Vickers Stock Research unit. Vickers assigns a numerical score to each company for insider transactions based on how many shares the executive purchases and how his actions compare with colleagues, among other things.
Higher numbers are more bullish, while negative readings show insiders are dumping shares at a faster rate. The average rating of refiners tracked by Leuthold rose to 23.06 at the end of May. The score slid to a decade low minus 43.47 a year ago.
``Insiders know more about their companies than analysts or anyone else,'' said Andy Engel, 48, senior research analyst at Leuthold, a Minneapolis-based investment and research firm that oversees about $4.8 billion. ``They probably have a better idea of when business will rebound.''
Engelhardt, Grube
Leuthold, which turned bearish on U.S. stocks before a 19 percent tumble in the S&P 500 starting last October, began buying refiner shares this month on speculation oil will drop to about $110 a barrel, he said.
Irl Engelhardt, chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, bought $509,000 worth of Valero shares last month, his first purchase since becoming a director of the largest U.S. refiner in 2006. In the same month, Tesoro director John Bookout III boosted his stake by 58 percent in the third-largest U.S. refiner. Valero and Tesoro, both based in San Antonio, have declined 39 percent and 57 percent this year.
William Grube, chief executive officer at Indianapolis-based Calumet Specialty Products Partners LP, bought 50,000 shares at between $11.73 and $16.85 a share in May, data compiled by Bloomberg show. The purchases, which began two days after Calumet slumped to an all-time low, were the first by Grube since the company went public in January 2006, according to the data.
Calumet, which processes oil into lubricants, solvents and waxes, has fallen 64 percent this year. Telephone messages for Engelhardt, Bookout and Grube weren't returned.
Reversal of Fortune
Oil and gas refiners in the S&P 1500 Composite Index plunged 6.1 percent last week after crude futures touched $139.89 for the first time on June 16. The so-called crack spread, or hypothetical profit margin for processing three barrels of crude oil into two barrels of gasoline and one of heating oil, has fallen 36 percent to $14.48 from $22.67 a year ago.
Eric Green, who helps oversee $5.5 billion as director of research at Penn Capital Management in Cherry Hill, New Jersey, isn't counting on gasoline prices to catch up with crude oil.
Demand for U.S. gasoline may decrease for the first time in 17 years as people drive less and buy more fuel-efficient cars, Cambridge Energy Research Associates, a Cambridge, Massachusetts- based consultant wrote in a report last week.
``These stocks can't go up with oil prices as strong as they are and demand for gasoline shrinking,'' said Green, whose firm sold its shares of Tesoro and Dallas-based Holly Corp., owner of refineries in New Mexico and Utah, in the past six weeks. ``You really want to own refiners when oil's going down, and not straight up.''
Caxton, Renaissance
That hasn't kept some of the world's biggest hedge funds from betting on a turnaround.
Bruce Kovner's Caxton, the $12 billion hedge fund firm based in New York, purchased or increased its shareholdings in six refiners, including Valero, Tesoro and Philadelphia-based Sunoco Inc., in the first quarter, according to Securities and Exchange Commission filings compiled by Bloomberg. Citadel, the $22 billion Chicago-based hedge-fund firm run by Kenneth Griffin, scooped up 192,610 Tesoro shares and boosted its stake in Holly almost eightfold to 190,681 shares last quarter, the data showed.
Renaissance, a $30 billion hedge fund firm run by James Simons and based in East Setauket, New York, bought 609,888 shares of Valero and increased his stake in Calumet by 5.3 percent to 32,000 shares. Representatives of Caxton, Citadel and Renaissance declined to comment.
Billionaire investor Kenneth Fisher says refiners are attractive even if oil prices don't decline because the U.S. hasn't built a refinery in 32 years.
``We're not going to be putting in more refineries,'' said Fisher, who oversees more than $47 billion as chairman of Fisher Investments Inc. in Woodside, California, and who owns Valero and Tesoro shares. ``Whenever there's any place where there isn't more supply, owning is not a bad thing.''
 
Guess we just have to wait and see how it pans out, if Nigeria and the other trouble spots would straighten up it would help.


Oil climbs despite Saudi pledge

Crude prices rise amid supply disruptions in Nigeria; traders shrug off Saudi effort to ease fears.

Last Updated: June 23, 2008: 6:05 AM EDT


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SINGAPORE (AP) -- Oil prices rose Monday as investors shrugged off Saudi Arabia's pledge to increase its oil production if needed, focusing instead on disruptions to Nigerian supply and heightened Middle East tensions.
Saudi Arabia said Sunday it will produce more crude oil this year if the market needs it. The kingdom announced a 300,000 barrel per day production increase in May and said before the start of the Jiddah meeting that it would add another 200,000 barrels per day in July, raising total daily output to 9.7 million barrels.
The announcement had already been factored into oil prices, analysts said.
"The meeting was mildly positive but it wouldn't really deliver anything that would give a heavy correction in oil," said Mark Pervan, a senior commodity strategist at the ANZ Bank in Melbourne, Australia. "They pledged production increases that the market thought was base case."
Light, sweet crude for August delivery rose $1.29 to $136.65 a barrel in Asian electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange by midafternoon in Singapore. The contract rose $2.76 to settle at $135.36 a barrel Friday.
Saudi Arabia's pledge fell far short of U.S. hopes for a specific increase. The United States and other nations argue that oil production has not kept up with increasing demand, especially from China, India and the Middle East. But Saudi Arabia and other OPEC countries say there is no shortage of oil and instead blame financial speculation and the falling U.S. dollar.[more]
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/23/markets/oil.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008062306
 
Buster's editorial:


I totally agree with drilling, and I'm not the least bit worried about a whale. Notice no rig leaked oil after Katrina? Oil rigs are a lot safer now and technology has advanced that this is not a concern.
Wrong. Get your facts before posting propaganda. There were leaks after Katrina, many of them. Just not in the news, it was kept quiet. Rigs and platforms disappeared all over the Gulf, not to mention pipelines that were dragged out of their beds by wave action. Get the stats FOIA if you want the truth.

And spills ARE a great concern, look up OPA90. Regs require oil companies to hold "spill drills" and keep equipment ready.
 
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Irl Engelhardt, chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, bought $509,000 worth of Valero shares last month, his first purchase since becoming a director of the largest U.S. refiner in 2006.
Financials, oil, gasoline all tied to the government....anybody else think this stinks? Looks like a conflict of interest to me.:mad:
 
Wrong. Get your facts before posting propaganda. There were leaks after Katrina, many of them. Just not in the news, it was kept quiet. Rigs and platforms disappeared all over the Gulf, not to mention pipelines that were dragged out of their beds by wave action. Get the stats FOIA if you want the truth.

And spills ARE a great concern, look up OPA90. Regs require oil companies to hold "spill drills" and keep equipment ready.
Mornin darlin..I knew this woiuld stir you:D:D
 
I'm for anything, GO FOR IT!!:cool:

Oil speculation in House crosshairs

Subcommittee holds hearing on loopholes that allow unbridled energy speculation.

By David Goldman, CNNMoney.com staff writer
Last Updated: June 23, 2008: 1:36 PM EDT

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Congress focused on energy speculation Monday, as some lawmakers blamed Wall Street traders for record oil and gasoline prices.

Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., the chair of a House Energy and Commerce subcommittee, headed a hearing about whether or not further regulation of trading is warranted.
"We risk having our economy brought to its knees" by "excessive" speculation in commodity markets, Stupak said. He pointed to recent layoffs by airlines, which are struggling with high jet fuel costs, and difficulties faced by American truckers as proof of the damage caused by high oil prices.
A hedge fund manager and a top adviser to oil companies said Monday they believe oil prices could quickly fall by half if new regulatory changes limiting the role of speculators were adopted.
Michael Masters, of the Masters Capital Management fun, said that - with greater regulation - oil prices could drop to $65 or $70 within about 30 days.
"That's half of where prices are today, and gas prices would reflect that," he said.
Roger Diwan, an adviser to oil companies at Washington-based PFC Energy, agreed that regulation could lead to a drop in prices. He said it would take no more than 30 days for speculation in the oil market to decrease and gas prices to fall.
With more regulation, "prices will reflect closer the marginal cost of producing oil," Diwan said.
In Congress, nine bills attempt to limit the role of speculators. Several have bipartisan support, but only one was co-sponsored by a Republican. {more}
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/23/news/economy/energy_speculation/index.htm?cnn=yes
Anyone own Oil Stocks, you might consider SELLING?
 
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Actually I would think it's anyone holding commodity oil stocks futures who :nuts: might get bitten (squawk). I think the $ needs a little starch as well to get the decreases the fund manager is talking about, but playing a futures market that needs to stay stable to some extent like oil and grains "games" the prices in ways that aren't helpful to the economy.
 
I vote for no new off shore drilling, but only if someone invents a time machine that runs on banana peels and stale beer. Until then, I say Americans should be allowed to drill for new oil. Now I can’t stop thinking about that movie, “There Will Be Blood”…:cool::cool:
 
As I was saying, if you are going to have your coastline uglified with oil rigs, you ought to get paid for it. Contrast this with New Orleans.

Alaska May Give Everyone $1,200 to Cover Fuel Costs (Update2)

By Michael B. Marois
June 23 (Bloomberg) -- Alaska Governor Sarah Palin wants to dip into the state's budget, overflowing with oil-tax revenue, and give every person in her state a $1,200 rebate to offset rising household energy costs......
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a.eR1gH0GLL0&refer=home

Not bananas, we only grow them in Hawaii. Bleah, stale beer, does the beer improve by going back in time?
I vote for Midwest Prarie Grass and Buffalo (they don't eat grass down to the nub).
 
I vote for no new off shore drilling, but only if someone invents a time machine that runs on banana peels and stale beer. Until then, I say Americans should be allowed to drill for new oil. Now I can’t stop thinking about that movie, “There Will Be Blood”…:cool::cool:
LOL..

If you want to see a real SCI_FI..Liberal left wing trying to scare an agenda into you, watch;

"The Last Winter"..I almost puked it was so blatant:sick:
 
Gas Prices Could Fall To $2 If Congress Acts
The price of retail gasoline would fall by half, to around $2 a gallon, within 30 days of passage of a law to limit speculation in energy markets, four energy analysts told Congress. Testifying to a House Energy and Commerce Committee subcommittee, Michael Masters of Masters Capital Management said the price of crude oil would drop closer to its marginal cost of around $65 to $75 a barrel, about half the current $135. Fadel Gheit of Oppenheimer & Co., Edward Krapels of Energy Security Analysis and Roger Diwan of PFC Energy agreed with Masters' assessment at the hearing. Other witnesses say speculators aren't a major factor in oil prices, however.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/ma.../gas-prices-fall--congress-acts-analysts-say/
 
A Thank You Letter from the Sheik of Saudi Arabia



'We are at war with you infidels and have been since
the embargo in the 1970s. You are so arrogant you
haven't even recognized it. You have more missiles,
bombs, and technology; so we are fighting with the
best weapon we have and extracting on a net basis
about $700 billion/year out of your economy. We will
destroy you! Death to the infidels!'​

'While I am here I would like to thank you for the
following: Not developing your 250-300 year supply of oil
shale and tar sands. We know if you did this, it
would create thousands of jobs for U.S. citizens,
expand your engineering capabilities, and keep the
wealth in the U.S. instead of sending it to us to
finance our war against you infidels.'​

'Thanks for limiting defense department purchases
of oil sands from your neighbors to the north.
We love it when you confuse your allies.'​

'Thanks for over regulating every segment of your
economy and thus delaying, by decades, the
development of alternate fuel technologies.'​

'Thanks for limiting drilling off your coasts, in
Alaska, and anywhere there is an insect, bird, fish, or
plant that might be inconvenienced. Better that your
people suffer. Glad to see our lobbying efforts have
been so effective.'​

'Corn based Ethanol. Praise Allah for this sham
program! Perhaps you will destroy yourself from the
inside with theses types of policies. This is a gift
from Allah, praise his name! We never would have
thought of this one! This is better than when you
pay your farmers NOT TO GROW FOOD.
Have them use more energy to create less energy,
and simultaneously drive up food prices.
Thank you, U.S. Congress!'​

'And finally, we appreciate you letting us fleece
you without end. You will be glad to know we have
been accumulating shares in your banks, real estate,
and publicly held companies. We also finance a good
portion of your debt and now manipulate your
markets, currency, and economies for our benefit.'​

'THANK YOU AMERICA!'​



PS: I don't give a crap if this right or wrong or propaganda..deal with it, get your undies out of your crack and have a laugh for Christ sakes..:D
 
How about a $2 a gallon federal/state tax on gasoline? That would reduce oil consumption, reduce Arab/Iranian/Russian/Venezuela profits and influence, reduce global warming, and prevent despoliation of the California/Florida coastline and the Alaskan wilderness. The feds could pour the tax revenue into mass transit and upgrade of the transportation infrastructure.

If gas is going up to $5-6 anyway, why not preempt the price run-up. Oil shale, tar sands (which are primarily in Canada, not the U.S.!), and off-shore rigs aren't coming on-line in a big enough way to solve the price problem in the near future. Let the market solve the problem. Reduce demand.

Oops, that isn't politically feasible is it? :cool: ----Jim
 
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How about a $2 a gallon federal/state tax on gasoline? That would reduce oil consumption, reduce Arab/Iranian/Russian/Venezuela profits and influence, reduce global warming, and prevent despoliation of the California/Florida coastline and the Alaskan wilderness. Oops, that isn't politically feasible is it? :cool: ----Jim
I don't think it would have a 1/32 of a degree change on the global temps..But just to humor you, what if we did stop using all fossil fuels for cooking, heating, power, and auto..and the world's average temp still continued to climb at the SAME rate? (which it will until the next Ice age begins, and that my friends is just around the corner)..what then? what would you like to cut out of our modern living to try and reduce the so called green house gases that you say is causing global warming then?....Stop breathing and exhale into charcoal canisters?

For you Tree huggers and leaf lickers out there..Unless you forgot the basics of plant life and photosynthesis, they require bunches of CO2 to live and expel bunches of O2 out as their waste product..So let me get this straight, you want you reduce the CO2 in the atmosphere?..whats wrong with this picture?
 
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