Oil Slick Stuff

What goes UP MUST go DOWN!!!! Sometimes it's versa visa or visa versa?

I really think they are trying to get us used to $5 a gallon gas, and when we are about to STORM the BASTILLE they will lower it to $3 a gal and we will be so happy and thank the Govt. for doing such a good job at controlling the price of Gas, But in actually that was their plan. Overcharge them then cut way it down to the price they actually wanted, we will be happy, and they get their price increase. That's EXACTLY what's happening, we are to pay like the folks in Europe pay!!
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i love free markets for the most part however, there are a couple things that usually are and should be regulated and energy/fuel is one of them.

It would be nice to see oil/fuel regulated much like the electric power industry is in those states that were smart enough NOT to deregulate.

This sudden increase in cost fueled by speculation is reminds me a whole lot of the California Power Crisis back at the turn of the this century.
 
What goes UP MUST go DOWN!!!! Sometimes it's versa visa or visa versa?

I really think they are trying to get us used to $5 a gallon gas, and when we are about to STORM the BASTILLE they will lower it to $3 a gal and we will be so happy and thank the Govt. for doing such a good job at controlling the price of Gas, But in actually that was their plan. Overcharge them then cut way it down to the price they actually wanted, we will be happy, and they get their price increase. That's EXACTLY what's happening, we are to pay like the folks in Europe pay!!
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Yepper..and I'll be waiting at the 7-11 for my free gallon of gas..we'll never see $5.00/gal;):D
 
At the risk of sounding cynical Buster- my guess is that they'll run it up close to $5 by August or so, and then, at the Republican Convention, McCain will annouce some "super plan" to knock the price down, and it will be back down to $3.50 by election day in November, and he'll claim it was his ideas and actions that brought it down, thereby winning himself the election.

We'll see.
 
At the risk of sounding cynical Buster- my guess is that they'll run it up close to $5 by August or so, and then, at the Republican Convention, McCain will annouce some "super plan" to knock the price down, and it will be back down to $3.50 by election day in November, and he'll claim it was his ideas and actions that brought it down, thereby winning himself the election.

We'll see.
If that works..Hell, I ain't gonna get cynical...

But it will be there before any of the Candidates promise or do something...Who knows, we might even start getting oil from Iraq by then.....Hey!, if you can stretch, so can I;)
 
At the risk of sounding cynical Buster- my guess is that they'll run it up close to $5 by August or so, and then, at the Republican Convention, McCain will annouce some "super plan" to knock the price down, and it will be back down to $3.50 by election day in November, and he'll claim it was his ideas and actions that brought it down, thereby winning himself the election.

We'll see.
Bullish...I didn't consider this as a GOP strategy but now that I think about it you are probably right. Big oil has run the country for the past 8 years. They don't have any other cards to play at this point to maintain control for another 4 years. This is politically BRILLIANT!:toung:
 
Who it to blame?:nuts:

Who's to blame for $4 gas

Prices have surged over the past four years - and there's a bunch of reasons why.

By Steve Hargreaves, CNNMoney.com staff writer
Last Updated: May 20, 2008: 7:13 AM EDT

America's Money: Gas crunch hits home
The record-high price of gasoline is putting a strain on American motorists - and spurring some to shift their habits. Here are their stories.

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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- It's hard to imagine now, but in 1999 gasoline sold for 90 cents a gallon. How'd we get from there to $4 a gallon?
There is no short answer - many things happened, and together they formed a chain of events from cheap gas to $100 tankfuls.
2004: Demand pressure
One of the most common reasons cited for the price jump is supply and demand - we are using more oil, which accounts for 70% of the price of gas, and finding less of it.
Why we are finding less oil and using more of it is partly a result of the low prices during the 1990s. Those low prices - partly caused by low gas taxes in the U.S. compared to other developed nations - both encouraged rapid consumption domestically (think SUVs) and underinvestment in new production by the world's oil companies.
By the time 2004 rolled around - and developing economies around the globe roared to life - the world was left in a pinch.
"Our demand has skyrocketed, but our ability to supply that demand has stagnated," said Stephen Schork, publisher of the industry newsletter The Schork Report. Gasoline prices topped $2 a gallon for the first time ever in May of 2004, "and we've been off to the races since then," said Schork.
As demand grew and the supply of oil remained relatively flat, the difference between the amount of oil the world could produce and the amount it consumed narrowed. That meant a supply disruption from one place in the world could not be easily covered with spare oil from another part.
2005: The storm
This was illustrated in September 2005, when Hurricane Katrina knocked out a significant chunk of U.S. refining and gasoline prices spiked above $3 a gallon for the first time ever.
"It exposed how little surplus refining capacity we have in the U.S.," said James Crandell, an energy analyst at Lehman Brothers.
A new refinery hasn't been built in the United States in three decades, although capacity at existing refineries has been expanded.
2006: Hot tempers
The lack of spare supply has kept other geopolitical events in the forefront for the last few years. Iran and the spat over its nuclear program dominated the news in early 2006, and combined with Israel's invasion of Lebanon in the summer of that year to cause another spike in gas prices to over $3 a gallon.
Geopolitical events need not be shooting wars to attract attention. Analysts say general resource nationalism since 2004 is partly responsible for high oil prices.
In the past few years, Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Russia's Vladimir Putin and Venezuela's Hugo Chavez have all become more bellicose on the world stage - in some cases, seeking a bigger share of the profit from foreign oil firms or threatening to cut off oil supplies if attacked.
Some say the Bush administration's provocation of Iran and Venezuela, coupled with a botched occupation of oil-exporting Iraq, has contributed to the geopolitical tension. But defenders say that, in the long run, the administration's actions will eventually lead to a more democratic - and thus stable - global supply.
2007: Tight supplies
New supplies of oil from non-OPEC countries were supposed to come online in 2007 and ease some of these supply bottlenecks. But problems in Kazakhstan and Russia - as well as sweeping drilling bans in the United States - mean global consumption is growing twice as fast as non-OPEC production.
Analysts say OPEC, which hold two-thirds of the world's oil reserves but sees a global economy humming along despite $130 oil, has little incentive to increase production.
2008: Speculators swarm
Strong demand, tight supplies and a volatile marketplace have attracted the interest of investors - the last main contributor to high prices.
"The speculator has seized upon this opportunity," said Schork. "They have recognized there is something fundamentally flawed in this market."
Since 2003, the number of oil contracts exchanged on the NYMEX has more than doubled, said Schork.
Money flowing into oil - and commodities in general - has been especially sharp over the last 6 months as investors look for good returns amid falling stock prices and an inflation hedge against a falling dollar.
That's helped push oil prices to nearly $130 a barrel and gasoline to an average of nearly $3.80 a gallon - smashing previous records even when adjusting for inflation.
Whether this investor influx into the oil market is justified is matter of debate. Some see high oil prices as necessary to boost supply and limit demand.
"You can't just point the finger at speculators," Michael Haigh, head of U.S. commodities research at the investment bank Société Générale, recently told CNNMoney.com "Fundamentally, the markets are where they are supposed to be."
Others are less certain.
"The fundamental picture to us doesn't justify the price," said Lehman's Crandell. "It's kind of suggestive of a bubble."
http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/20/news/economy/gas_price_history/index.htm?postversion=2008052007
 
U.S. calls on China to help with oil

Assistant U.S. secretary of state urges China to join the International Energy Agency to help stabilize the oil markets.

May 20, 2008: 7:23 AM EDT

BEIJING (AP) -- A U.S. official urged China on Tuesday to join the International Energy Agency - a group of major oil consumers that includes the United States and European governments - and aid its efforts to keep petroleum markets stable in times of crisis.
"China's participation in the IEA's collective emergency response system would make the system stronger," Daniel S. Sullivan, an assistant U.S. secretary of state, said in a speech at a business conference.
China is the world's second-largest oil consumer after the United States. Its surging demand for energy to fuel its booming economy has stirred unease abroad about the possible impact on global prices, as well as over China's intentions as state-owned companies pursue access to supplies in Africa, Central Asia and elsewhere.
A key function of the 27-nation IEA is to coordinate the release of petroleum from national stockpiles to stabilize prices if crises threaten to disrupt supplies, Sullivan said. He said that was last done in 2005 in response to Hurricane Katrina in the United States.[more]
http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/20/news/china_us_oil.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008052007
 
Now it's China?:nuts:

05/19/2008 - Updated 3:26 PM ET
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Crude futures mark first close above $127 a barrel China releases oil products from state reserves; June crude expires Tuesday
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By Myra P. Saefong, MarketWatch & Polya Lesova, MarketWatch

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Crude-oil futures marked their first close above $127 a barrel Monday, with the market extending last week's strength on growing concerns about energy supply and demand from China.
But the upcoming expiration of the June futures contracts kept gains in check.
"There continues to be considerable fallout for the energy markets from the earthquake tragedy in China," said John Kilduff, an analyst at MF Global, in a note to clients.
"In addition to two large purchases of diesel fuel on the open market last week and a cessation of refined products exports, China has tapped its refined product strategic reserve, releasing 8,312 tonnes of refined product," said Kilduff, citing a statement from China's main resource bureau.
Crude oil for June delivery climbed as high as $127.77 in electronic trading early Monday. It closed at $127.05 a barrel, up 76 cents on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
The June crude contract expires at the close of Tuesday's trading session. Expiration of a futures contract often contributes to trading volatility. [more]
http://markets.usatoday.com/custom/...S&guid={C5FCF3BE-30AC-47A5-A870-DF6F78A779F9}
 
Well this outta drive the market thru the roof... even tho it's pure speculation...


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1210668683139&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

US President George W. Bush intends to attack Iran in the upcoming months, before the end of his term, Army Radio quoted a senior official in Jerusalem as saying Tuesday.

The official claimed that a senior member of the president's entourage, which concluded a trip to Israel last week, said during a closed meeting that Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney were of the opinion that military action was called for.

However, the official continued, "the hesitancy of Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice" was preventing the administration from deciding to launch such an attack on the Islamic Republic, for the time being.

Bush, the officials said, opined that Hizbullah's show of strength was evidence of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's growing influence. They said that according to Bush, "the disease must be treated - not its symptoms."
 
Pickens is old-line BIG OIL. Anybody been listening while I've been saying BIG OIL won't stop until it hits $150? It will pause there then go on to $200 - that's the target. Pickens is throwing a red herring out there about the speculators though. Speculation is what is currently driving the market, not supply/demand. The supply is currently exceeding the demand. Don't believe the latest media bs. Pickens is big oil AND a hedge fund manager - one of the biggest oil speculators with everything to GAIN by pushing the price up.

Crude soars to new highs on demand worries

By Kate Gibson, MarketWatch
Last update: 10:01 a.m. EDT May 20, 2008
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Crude-oil futures on Tuesday traveled to a new record high above $129 a barrel after hedge fund manager and Texas oil man T. Boone Pickens said he expects oil will hit $150 a barrel before the year is through.
Speaking on CNBC-TV, Pickens said world oil supplies are declining prices will continue to rise because output is not keeping pace with demand.
Speculators, Pickens said, have "nothing" to do with record prices.
The June crude contract, which expires at the end of trading Tuesday, was recently up $1.79, or 1.4%, at 128.84 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange, after hitting a high of $129.31 earlier on. July crude futures climbed $1.63, or 1.3%, at $128.35 a barrel on Nymex.
"There's so much bullish sentiment in the market. Banks are upping their price targets on oil, and that's feeding the frenzy," said John Kilduff, analyst at MF Global.
"They (the banks) are basing this on consumption outstripping supply. There are also some significant power plant shutdowns in China because of coal shortages," said Kilduff.
The analyst also pointed to the expiration of the June contract at the end of the trading day, increasing volatility in the market.
Analysts at Action Economics pointed to "speculation that output won't meet the demand of refiners that are seeking crude to produce gasoline and diesel, despite Saudi Arabia's increased output" for prices hovering above the $127 a barrel level, after climbing as high as $127.58 earlier on.
Crude remained higher after the government said the core producer price index, which excludes food and energy prices, rose 0.4% in April, more than the anticipated 02 Read Economic Report.
"The April producer price index report contained mostly bad news -- at the earliest stage of production, crude material prices increased 3.2%. Excluding food and energy, crude materials prices increased a whopping 7.9%, a level exceeded only twice since record keeping began in 1972," said Tony Crescenzi, of Miller Tabak & co.
On Monday, crude futures closed above the $127 a barrel mark for the first time, with the market extending last week's strength on growing concerns about energy supply and heightened demand from China.
 
Considing that he just dropped 2 Bil. into GEs wind machines. You won't mind if I take your words with a grain of salt, will you? LOL
 
Considing that he just dropped 2 Bil. into GEs wind machines. You won't mind if I take your words with a grain of salt, will you? LOL
He's getting the 2Bil from his oil profits. They have to make hay while the sun shines because all of the "Energy Acts" for the next few years (starting with 2005) will mandate that a % (very small) of big oil profits go into developing alternative energy. So they are maximizing oil profits NOW. I never said they weren't looking to the future...they are. But they want to squeeze the public as much as they can for as long as they can. We all know the technology to economically produce more fuel-efficient vehicles has existed for the last 20 years, but the powerful oil and auto industries have successfully suppressed it.
 
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LOL Good one!

Still, i have to wonder what is going to happen to oil demand when those $2400 cars hit the India market!!! ( I want one to drive around my Yard!)

Note, I do take your words with concern and you do make a good point! still, it's nice to see someone put there money were there mouth is!
 
Crude hits new record price!!!:nuts:
10:09.............$129.06....+2.01:nuts:
Not nice, Nasty!!!
 
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Oil crosses $129 for first time, heads for $130
Tuesday May 20, 10:24 am ET
By George Jahn, Associated Press Writer Crude oil futures pass $129 a barrel for the first time, likely headed past $130
VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- Oil prices spiked to a new trading high Tuesday, sweeping toward $130 a barrel as supply concerns intensified the momentum buying that has lifted crude deeper into record territory.
The June contract for light, sweet crude traded as high as $129.46 on the New York Mercantile Exchange before settling back to $129.10, up $2.05.
Prices are currently being driven higher by supply concerns. This latest surge comes after OPEC's president was quoted as saying his organization won't increase its output before its next meeting in September. The imminent expiration of the June contract is adding to the volatility, and raised the very real possibility that crude could hit $130 before the end of the day, when the contract ends.[more]
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080520/oil_prices.html
 
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